# Yet another "hate crime" revealed to be a hoax by a leftist **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [May 5, 2017, 11:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yet-another-hate-crime-revealed-to-be-a-hoax-by-a-leftist/785957 "2017-05-05T23:01:58Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![BigT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigt/32/12044_2.png) [@BigT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigT)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2017, 7:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yet-another-hate-crime-revealed-to-be-a-hoax-by-a-leftist/785957/21 "2017-05-07T07:21:13Z")
I also want to point out that, even had this been legit, it would not be a hate crime. Hate speech, sure. Illegal vandalism? Yes. Hate crime? No. ---
**Author:** ![Enuma\_Elish](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5e9695/32.png) [@Enuma\_Elish](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Enuma_Elish)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2017, 9:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yet-another-hate-crime-revealed-to-be-a-hoax-by-a-leftist/785957/22 "2017-05-07T09:17:04Z")
> [@BigT](#): > > I also want to point out that, even had this been legit, it would not be a hate crime. Hate speech, sure. Illegal vandalism? Yes. Hate crime? No. You honestly don’t think that if someone who voted republican did this . . . that it wouldn’t be reported and universally claimed by democrats as a ‘hate crime’? Seriously??? SERIOUSLY??? bullshit. ---
**Author:** ![IvoryTowerDenizen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ivorytowerdenizen/32/17937_2.png) [@IvoryTowerDenizen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/IvoryTowerDenizen)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2017, 11:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yet-another-hate-crime-revealed-to-be-a-hoax-by-a-leftist/785957/23 "2017-05-07T11:34:37Z")
This OP of this thread is really more Recreational Outrage than actual discussion. I’m moving it to the Pit. ---
**Author:** ![El\_Kabong](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/el_kabong/32/496_2.png) [@El\_Kabong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Kabong)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2017, 12:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yet-another-hate-crime-revealed-to-be-a-hoax-by-a-leftist/785957/24 "2017-05-07T12:54:08Z")
> [@Okrahoma](#): > > It is hilarious, isn’t it? > > I did notice **El\_Kabong** has not returned after demanding other examples and getting them. > > I just cited a few. I could cite dozens more if I had to. But I don’t have to 🙂 Citing the few killed the thread pretty effectively. **El\_Kabong** did not return on your timetable because **El\_Kabong** has other things to do besides monitor this board 24/7. Anyway, thanks for backing up your assertion. If you want to believe that there are no such things as right-wing hate crimes (or perhaps just that the majority are fakes), as seems to be the case, you are welcome to do so. I think we both know that this is somewhat unlikely, however. ---
**Author:** ![El\_Kabong](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/el_kabong/32/496_2.png) [@El\_Kabong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Kabong)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2017, 1:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yet-another-hate-crime-revealed-to-be-a-hoax-by-a-leftist/785957/25 "2017-05-07T13:06:03Z")
> [@El\_Kabong](#): > > I’m sure you’ll feel much better to know that I don’t have any particular impulse to fake vandalism by right-wingers, that I’d be very surprised if anyone else here did, and that any antipathy I may have for the current administration has nothing to do with whether I thought its supporters were vandalizing churches. Cheers. Oh, and I thought for sure that the quoted bit, which **Okrahoma** ignored, would make him feel better about us evil liberals. Apparently not. ☹ ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2017, 1:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yet-another-hate-crime-revealed-to-be-a-hoax-by-a-leftist/785957/26 "2017-05-07T13:32:59Z")
Cool. So: 1 head cauliflower 2 Tbsp heavy cream 1Tbsp butter 2 oz. sharp cheese, shredded salt and pepper to taste Break cauliflower into florets, place in microwave-safe bowl. Microwave on HIGH for six minutes Add cream and butter; stir to coat evenly Microwave for another six minutes (still on HIGH) Puree cauliflower with cheese in a blender or food processor, until smooth Season with salt and pepper. Yum! ---
**Author:** ![Fubaya](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/c2a13f/32.png) [@Fubaya](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fubaya)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2017, 1:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yet-another-hate-crime-revealed-to-be-a-hoax-by-a-leftist/785957/27 "2017-05-07T13:50:04Z")
Why would anyone care about this? Hoaxes suck but they’re a part of life. They’re the statistical anomaly that should be rooted out then ignored. The only thing that matters are the ones that aren’t hoaxes. I guess you can get great delight in pointing out the hoaxes while not caring a bit about the others if that’s what gets you off, but most people are adult enough to know how childish that is. ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2017, 1:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yet-another-hate-crime-revealed-to-be-a-hoax-by-a-leftist/785957/28 "2017-05-07T13:55:49Z")
\*\*Yet another “hate crime” revealed to be a hoax by a leftist \*\*Those fucking “leftists” are going to give “hate crimes” a “bad name”. Consider me 100% properly recreationally-internet outraged! Why, if I were still on Facebook, I would TOTALLY share this story, and register an amount of disgust! ---
**Author:** ![Muffin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muffin/32/4341_2.png) [@Muffin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Muffin)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2017, 1:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yet-another-hate-crime-revealed-to-be-a-hoax-by-a-leftist/785957/29 "2017-05-07T13:56:03Z")
Given how busy the haters are, it’s very considerate for the fakers help them out. ---
**Author:** ![Chefguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chefguy/32/138_2.png) [@Chefguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chefguy)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2017, 2:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yet-another-hate-crime-revealed-to-be-a-hoax-by-a-leftist/785957/30 "2017-05-07T14:03:35Z")
> [@ivorytowerdenizen](#): > > this op of this thread is really more recreational outrage than actual discussion. I’m moving it to the pit. **vindication!** 😃 ---
**Author:** ![simster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/simster/32/1047_2.png) [@simster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/simster)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2017, 2:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yet-another-hate-crime-revealed-to-be-a-hoax-by-a-leftist/785957/31 "2017-05-07T14:37:57Z")
but - this wasn;t a ‘hoax’ - it was a real crime perpetrated by real people. That they intended to ‘frame’ the other group is irrelevant. They wanted to bring attention to an issue and they succeeded. ---
**Author:** ![SaneBill](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e68b1a/32.png) [@SaneBill](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SaneBill)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2017, 3:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yet-another-hate-crime-revealed-to-be-a-hoax-by-a-leftist/785957/32 "2017-05-07T15:22:14Z")
So let me get this straight. A guy writes a graffiti that’s pro-rightist and anti-leftists. And when he gets caught, he starts blaming the left. Smooth. 🆒 ---
**Author:** ![E-DUB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/e-dub/32/403_2.png) [@E-DUB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/E-DUB)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2017, 3:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yet-another-hate-crime-revealed-to-be-a-hoax-by-a-leftist/785957/33 "2017-05-07T15:29:11Z")
Then you could have the “double reverse false flag”, where, for example, righties pose as Soros minions to pay someone to do, say, racist graffiti only to discredit the left when discovered. (If you find this example offensive, feel free to reverse the roles.) You may ask yourself: “Is anybody really that devious?”. Well, I am. Bwahaahaa. ---
**Author:** ![Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/budget_player_cadet/32/205_2.png) [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Budget_Player_Cadet)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2017, 3:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yet-another-hate-crime-revealed-to-be-a-hoax-by-a-leftist/785957/34 "2017-05-07T15:30:02Z")
Okrahoma, would you care to spitball what percentage of hate crimes are hoaxes? 5%? 10%? ---
**Author:** ![Mr.Miskatonic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mr.miskatonic/32/310_2.png) [@Mr.Miskatonic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.Miskatonic)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2017, 4:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yet-another-hate-crime-revealed-to-be-a-hoax-by-a-leftist/785957/35 "2017-05-07T16:57:52Z")
Is this the same church vandalism hoax case that the alt-right has been milking since it happened and was likely a hoax? Of course, when it isn’t a hoax, the new Nazi crowd just [acts like it isn’t a crime](http://people.com/crime/get-over-it-79-year-old-trump-supporter-arrested-for-allegedly-vandalizing-childrens-mural/). ---
**Author:** ![Just\_Asking\_Questions](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ba9def/32.png) [@Just\_Asking\_Questions](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Just_Asking_Questions)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2017, 5:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yet-another-hate-crime-revealed-to-be-a-hoax-by-a-leftist/785957/36 "2017-05-07T17:25:49Z")
> [@simster](#): > > but - this wasn;t a ‘hoax’ - it was a real crime perpetrated by real people. So, it’s fake fake news, then? ---
**Author:** ![astro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/9dc877/32.png) [@astro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/astro)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2017, 5:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yet-another-hate-crime-revealed-to-be-a-hoax-by-a-leftist/785957/37 "2017-05-07T17:27:29Z")
> [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](#): > > Okrahoma, would you care to spitball what percentage of hate crimes are hoaxes? 5%? 10%? This says [2 to 8% are reclassified](http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/12/23/sorry-haters-a-handful-of-hoaxes-doesn-t-debunk-the-hate-crime-reality) after investigation In a lot of these cases I think the nature of the crime will give some clue as to how valid it is perceived to be. If it’s a claim along the lines of "these mysterious people who I have never seen or interacted with before came out of nowhere and randomly assaulted me (with no intent to rob or rape) called me racist names and etc. then dumped me by the side of the road " then yes it’s possible, but it’s unusual enough that my first thought would not be “hate crime” but that it needs to be investigated. ---
**Author:** ![Okrahoma](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/90db22/32.png) [@Okrahoma](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Okrahoma)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2017, 5:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yet-another-hate-crime-revealed-to-be-a-hoax-by-a-leftist/785957/38 "2017-05-07T17:31:30Z")
> [@Mr.Miskatonic](#): > > Is this the same church vandalism hoax case that the alt-right has been milking since it happened and was likely a hoax? No. And as I said, I can give you dozens more such “hate crime” hoaxes. ---
**Author:** ![Mr.Miskatonic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mr.miskatonic/32/310_2.png) [@Mr.Miskatonic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.Miskatonic)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2017, 5:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yet-another-hate-crime-revealed-to-be-a-hoax-by-a-leftist/785957/39 "2017-05-07T17:33:40Z")
> [@Okrahoma](#): > > No. And as I said, I can give you dozens more such “hate crime” hoaxes. I could probably find dozens of scientists who support creationism. Does it mean jack shit? No. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2017, 5:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yet-another-hate-crime-revealed-to-be-a-hoax-by-a-leftist/785957/40 "2017-05-07T17:38:41Z")
> [@Okrahoma](#): > > No. And as I said, I can give you dozens more such “hate crime” hoaxes. And the point of this whole exercise being…? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yet-another-hate-crime-revealed-to-be-a-hoax-by-a-leftist/785957.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yet-another-hate-crime-revealed-to-be-a-hoax-by-a-leftist/785957.md?page=3)