# Yet another pit of child killing assholes **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [August 31, 2006, 3:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yet-another-pit-of-child-killing-assholes/370926 "2006-08-31T15:01:36Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Electrical\_Storm](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/ac8455/32.png) [@Electrical\_Storm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Electrical_Storm)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2006, 3:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yet-another-pit-of-child-killing-assholes/370926/1 "2006-08-31T15:01:36Z")
[CNN link](http://www.cnn.com/2006/LAW/08/30/parents.charged.ap/index.html) They taped the three-year old boy up and left him in a fucking closet while they attended a goddamned family reunion. He died in the closet while they were gone (yeah, big fucking surprise) and they concocted an elaborate story to explain his disappearance, then tried multiple times to burn the body to get rid of it. They had cops searching for the boy after they claimed he wandered off. These buttmunch fuckwits pleaded for help finding him at a fucking press conference. Hundreds of volunteers searched for the boy they thought was lost. :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: These fuckers are just another two assholes unfit to inhabit the earth. I say tape 'em up and thow their asses in solitary. And this is the pit, so fuck them both with a rusty chainsaw for eternity. ---
**Author:** ![Walter\_Windchill](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/eb8c5e/32.png) [@Walter\_Windchill](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Walter_Windchill)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2006, 3:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yet-another-pit-of-child-killing-assholes/370926/2 "2006-08-31T15:11:03Z")
Well thank heavens somebody has the courage to speak out against the child-killing assholes. I’m sick of all the pro-child-killing-assholes stuff I’ve been seeing lately in the mainstream media. ---
**Author:** ![Ike\_Witt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ike_witt/32/283_2.png) [@Ike\_Witt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ike_Witt)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2006, 3:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yet-another-pit-of-child-killing-assholes/370926/3 "2006-08-31T15:12:06Z")
[QUOTE=Walter Windchill] Well thank heavens somebody has the courage to speak out against the child-killing assholes. I’m sick of all the pro-child-killing-assholes stuff I’ve been seeing lately in the mainstream media. [/QUOTE] God damned liberals. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2006, 3:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yet-another-pit-of-child-killing-assholes/370926/4 "2006-08-31T15:13:19Z")
> [@](#): > > A grand jury indicted the couple Monday on charges of involuntary manslaughter and child endangerment, and David Carroll, 35, on a charge of gross abuse of a corpse. Involuntary manslaughter and child endangerment? That’s it? Is it just me or does it often seem like these kinds of cases are grossly undercharged? These fucking people should never see the sun for the rest of their lives but with these charges, they could be back out within a few years and even make more babies to torture and kill. I wish that parents who kill their children through willful abuse could be charged with first degree murder. It beggars belief that you can get mandatory life for selling cocaine but you can murder your own child and get a slap on the wrist. ---
**Author:** ![Gary\_Robson](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gary_robson/32/3448_2.png) [@Gary\_Robson](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gary_Robson)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2006, 3:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yet-another-pit-of-child-killing-assholes/370926/5 "2006-08-31T15:15:40Z")
[QUOTE=Diogenes the Cynic] I wish that parents who kill their children through willful abuse could be charged with first degree murder. It beggars belief that you can get mandatory life for selling cocaine but you can murder your own child and get a slap on the wrist. [/QUOTE] And killing your own child should have sterilization added to the sentence, too. ---
**Author:** ![tdn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/94ad74/32.png) [@tdn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tdn)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2006, 3:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yet-another-pit-of-child-killing-assholes/370926/6 "2006-08-31T15:17:30Z")
What do you people have against child killing assholes? I’m all for child killing assholes. I’ll even give the child a gun, and point out the assholes. Seriously, though. Fucked up. Why aren’t they getting life in a dank cell? ---
**Author:** ![Walter\_Windchill](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/eb8c5e/32.png) [@Walter\_Windchill](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Walter_Windchill)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2006, 3:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yet-another-pit-of-child-killing-assholes/370926/7 "2006-08-31T15:17:18Z")
I think the murder charges will come, Dio. They’re still collecting evidence. Probably the existing charges are what they can prove now, to keep the assholes in jail. My earlier post wasn’t meant in anyway to deny the repugnancy of the people described in the linked story. ---
**Author:** ![Maastricht](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/a88e57/32.png) [@Maastricht](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Maastricht)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2006, 3:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yet-another-pit-of-child-killing-assholes/370926/8 "2006-08-31T15:22:55Z")
The linked article in the OP said they were the boy’s _foster_ parents, not the natural parents. Dunno it that makes it worse, though. ---
**Author:** ![Lissa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/85f322/32.png) [@Lissa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lissa)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2006, 3:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yet-another-pit-of-child-killing-assholes/370926/9 "2006-08-31T15:23:50Z")
[QUOTE=InvisibleWombat] And killing your own child should have sterilization added to the sentence, too. [/QUOTE] The boy was a foster child, as I understand. Not that it makes it any better, but sterilization wouldn’t change matters in this situation. ---
**Author:** ![Jean\_Poutine](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/a5b964/32.png) [@Jean\_Poutine](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jean_Poutine)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2006, 3:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yet-another-pit-of-child-killing-assholes/370926/10 "2006-08-31T15:29:30Z")
A good number of foster parents do it not for love of children, but for the monthly check they get for doing it, so it’s not a big surprise that a lot of times it ends up like this. They could add that question to the form, I would think- Are you just requesting a foster child for the check- yes or no? **Walter Windchill** - funny! ---
**Author:** ![Kalhoun](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/3bc359/32.png) [@Kalhoun](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kalhoun)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2006, 3:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yet-another-pit-of-child-killing-assholes/370926/11 "2006-08-31T15:30:30Z")
I’m guessing they have to wait for forensics to prove the child was alive when he was placed in the closet. Once they get that evidence, they’ll charge them with murder. ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2006, 6:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yet-another-pit-of-child-killing-assholes/370926/12 "2006-08-31T18:57:40Z")
[QUOTE=Jean Poutine] A good number of foster parents do it not for love of children, but for the monthly check they get for doing it, so it’s not a big surprise that a lot of times it ends up like this. They could add that question to the form, I would think- Are you just requesting a foster child for the check- yes or no? [/QUOTE] They wouldn’t care; from what I’ve read here and there the “faith based” group, Lifeway for Youth that placed him gets paid according to how many kids they place; they don’t care what the parents are like. [Link](http://www.buzzle.com/editorials/8-29-2006-106943.asp) > [@](#): > > But facts unearthed in the days after the arrests of the Carrolls show that Lifeway, a faith-based organization that operates in Ohio, Kentucky, Indiana and Virginia, had plenty of red flags even before placing Marcus in the home. David Carroll is bipolar, according to his wife, and he was arrested in June for a domestic violence charge that was later dismissed. Friends, family, and law enforcement also say that Amy Baker, 25, is a live-in girlfriend of David’s who has lived with the couple six months or possibly more. A family friend told reporters that David was seeing Amy quite a bit behind Liz’s back, and eventually Amy moved into the house. > > Grady said the Butler county children services board knew only what Lifeway told them about the Carrolls’ background, which includes a profile of the family and a copy of the state foster-care license, but not their criminal background checks, health records, and other details required to obtain the license. County caseworkers don’t typically meet the families until Lifeway delivers the child to the home. Butler County is now double-checking the safety of 116 children it has placed in foster homes through Lifeway, although Grady said the county agency has not quit using Lifeway. Clermont County officials have removed eight children from Lifeway families, and dropped the nonprofit company from its list of foster-care recruiters. > > Lifeway officials refuse to answer media inquiries about any of their placements or the Carrolls’ role as foster parents. But former employees have told reporters that Lifeway gets paid for the number of children it places, and the money is all the organization cares about, placing children as quickly as possible with whoever will take them. One former caseworker said she was given 76 clients in her first month on her job. State officials also are now investigating Lifeway’s handling of Marcus’ placement with the Carrolls—but it’s too late for little Marcus. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Eater\_in\_the\_Round](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/71c47a/32.png) [@The\_Eater\_in\_the\_Round](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Eater_in_the_Round)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2006, 8:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yet-another-pit-of-child-killing-assholes/370926/13 "2006-08-31T20:00:48Z")
How much do families get paid for taking in foster kids? I see these stories all the time (about foster family neglect/abuse) and I always wonder how these parents who are in it just for the money can possibly justify such a scheme (to themselves). I can understand foster parents doing it out of love or a sense of duty, but as a money making venture alone I can’t possibly imagine that these programs pay out enough to justify the costs (financial, emotional, temporal) of raising an extra child. Has anyone done foster parenting? How much did you get paid? ---
**Author:** ![ShelliBean](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f9ae1b/32.png) [@ShelliBean](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ShelliBean)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2006, 8:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yet-another-pit-of-child-killing-assholes/370926/14 "2006-08-31T20:08:40Z")
God. I couldn’t bring myself to click the link in the CNN article that said why the authorities think the little boy was screaming for help. I must be emotional, because I am crying just thinking about that poor little boy screaming alone in the dark, hungry and scared. Bastards. Sometimes there aren’t enough rocks. ---
**Author:** ![Waverly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/57b2e6/32.png) [@Waverly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Waverly)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2006, 8:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yet-another-pit-of-child-killing-assholes/370926/15 "2006-08-31T20:14:19Z")
I don’t normally respond to these ‘I’ve linked to some bad news’ threads, but when I saw this title I immediately knew which story it was going to refer to. I read it on CNN earlier today. I felt literally nauseous while reading it, and the feeling didn’t go away until I left my desk to get some water. ---
**Author:** ![Firebringer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/f04885/32.png) [@Firebringer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Firebringer)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2006, 8:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yet-another-pit-of-child-killing-assholes/370926/16 "2006-08-31T20:14:42Z")
How fucking stupid do you have to be to not be able to dispose of the body of a child. These nuts deserve prison based on lack of imagination if nothing else. At least with a crime where there’s a bit of thought you can admire the planning or effort put in to it but this just lacks style. I mean a bit of patience and a food blender would have sufficed. ---
**Author:** ![Lissa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/85f322/32.png) [@Lissa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lissa)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2006, 9:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yet-another-pit-of-child-killing-assholes/370926/17 "2006-08-31T21:24:50Z")
[QUOTE=The Eater in the Round] H I can understand foster parents doing it out of love or a sense of duty, but as a money making venture alone I can’t possibly imagine that these programs pay out enough to justify the costs (financial, emotional, temporal) of raising an extra child. [/QUOTE] If you don’t care about the kids, you can raise 'em pretty cheap. It doesn’t cost much to feed them if you’re just giving them staples (enough to keep them alive and from looking too skinny, in other wods, but not giving them a nutritious diet.) You can buy cheap clothing at stores like Goodwill, and if you’ve been doing this for a while, ytou can make the kids pass them around and hand down clothing for reuse. Medical care is provided for free. You’re probably going to cut toys out of the budget, but you can also get them at used stores for a fraction of the price, should you be so inclined. The utility increases are negligible. Even if all you’re getting is $100 bucks a month per kid (which I think is probably a pretty low estimate), you’re making a profit. ---
**Author:** ![Uvula\_Donor](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/e19adc/32.png) [@Uvula\_Donor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Uvula_Donor)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2006, 10:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yet-another-pit-of-child-killing-assholes/370926/18 "2006-08-31T22:19:06Z")
oh my fucking god i’m so fucking outraged arrrrgh arrrrgh arrrrrgh blah blah blah death to the criminals etc. ---
**Author:** ![Gary\_Robson](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gary_robson/32/3448_2.png) [@Gary\_Robson](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gary_Robson)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2006, 12:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yet-another-pit-of-child-killing-assholes/370926/19 "2006-09-01T00:38:45Z")
[QUOTE=Lissa] The boy was a foster child, as I understand. Not that it makes it any better, but sterilization wouldn’t change matters in this situation. [/QUOTE] Oh. Well, it would make me feel better. “He may be a child-killing asshole, but at least they sterilized him. Painfully. With a pair of barbecue tongs and a sharp rock.” ---
**Author:** ![Excalibre](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/898d66/32.png) [@Excalibre](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Excalibre)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2006, 3:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yet-another-pit-of-child-killing-assholes/370926/20 "2006-09-01T03:26:06Z")
[QUOTE=Walter Windchill] Well thank heavens somebody has the courage to speak out against the child-killing assholes. I’m sick of all the pro-child-killing-assholes stuff I’ve been seeing lately in the mainstream media. [/QUOTE] No goddamn kidding. I’m so tired of the local news running segments like “Why you should murder your children today!” and “Cyanide or carbon monoxide: What’s the best way to off your kids?” I’m definitely anti-child-killing, and I don’t care who’s offended by my political incorrectness.