# Yet another reason to Pit the NRA - no taggants in gunpowder **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [April 18, 2013, 1:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yet-another-reason-to-pit-the-nra-no-taggants-in-gunpowder/656031 "2013-04-18T13:03:28Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 21
**Author:** ![Kable](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ed655f/32.png) [@Kable](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kable)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2013, 4:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yet-another-reason-to-pit-the-nra-no-taggants-in-gunpowder/656031/401 "2013-04-27T04:01:38Z")
> [@artemis](#): > > Can’t purchase a handgun if you’re under 21 (which the younger brother was - and I think that handguns were the only firearms used by the two brothers). No assault weapons? ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2013, 5:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yet-another-reason-to-pit-the-nra-no-taggants-in-gunpowder/656031/402 "2013-04-27T05:48:39Z")
The only problem with opposing the 2nd Amendment is that it lends credence to the notion that you have to, that there is only one legitimate path, which by a happy coincidence for them goes over the Impossible Mountains, across the Godforsaken Desert through the Suckass Swamp… I’m more along the lines of fuck that shit, interpretation is a valid stance. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2013, 12:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yet-another-reason-to-pit-the-nra-no-taggants-in-gunpowder/656031/403 "2013-04-27T12:46:58Z")
> [@doorhinge](#): > > If the taggants can be easily removed, they won’t be around to help ID the “end user”. Your premise is highly questionable, as other posters have shown. > [@](#): > > If taggants were to be required for “home brew” black powder, I doubt these two monsters would halt their plans to murder innocent people simply because they didn’t have any “legal” taggants to add to their pipe bombs. Who ever asserted \*that \*would be required, or could be? :dubious: ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2013, 1:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yet-another-reason-to-pit-the-nra-no-taggants-in-gunpowder/656031/404 "2013-04-27T13:31:50Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > The only problem with opposing the 2nd Amendment is that it lends credence to the notion that you have to, that there is only one legitimate path, which by a happy coincidence for them goes over the Impossible Mountains, across the Godforsaken Desert through the Suckass Swamp… > > I’m more along the lines of fuck that shit, interpretation is a valid stance. My interest in scrapping the 2nd is largely intellectual, as it it’s a total non-starter, politically. Interpretation is fine, as far as that goes, but it doesn’t seem to go very far. Even our Constitutional-Scholar-In-Chief, and probably the most left-leaning president you or I will ever see, says the 2nd guarantees an individual right to own guns. ---
**Author:** ![Martin\_Hyde](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/47e85d/32.png) [@Martin\_Hyde](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Martin_Hyde)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2013, 1:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yet-another-reason-to-pit-the-nra-no-taggants-in-gunpowder/656031/405 "2013-04-27T13:35:47Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > My interest in scrapping the 2nd is largely intellectual, as it it’s a total non-starter, politically. Interpretation is fine, as far as that goes, but it doesn’t seem to go very far. Even our Constitutional-Scholar-In-Chief, and probably the most left-leaning president you or I will ever see, says the 2nd guarantees an individual right to own guns. I don’t really like the gun situation in America at all. What I’d like to be able to see is us have strict regulations like the Germans or the Nordic countries but the regulatory regime in those countries are not **back door bans** , they are simply strict rules for being able to own firearms. Some of the Nordic countries actually allow you to buy weapons that are very hard to buy here because of the NFA, hardly anyone takes advantage of the law in those countries but it’s the difference between a gun control regime designed to regulate and control and one designed to deny gun ownership in general. So I do dislike that the 2nd Amendment is a big part of why we can’t have reasonable regulation of firearms. But I also dislike that the anti-gun crowd in the United States mostly seems driven by a personal dislike not for guns (which they are mostly just ignorant of), but the people who own guns. And it feels like a desire by big city liberals to take something away from people they view as backwards rednecks simply because they don’t like backward rednecks that own guns. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2013, 1:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yet-another-reason-to-pit-the-nra-no-taggants-in-gunpowder/656031/406 "2013-04-27T13:45:56Z")
> [@Martin\_Hyde](#): > > But I also dislike that the anti-gun crowd in the United States mostly seems driven by a personal dislike not for guns (which they are mostly just ignorant of), but the people who own guns. Really now? Wanting there to be _fewer murders_ isn’t a part of it, not as you see it? You can only understand a desire for some real, responsible controls by looking in the mirror and seeing your own personal distaste for those who are reminding you of your own moral failings in opposing them? Does your reflexive partisan loyalty really required this of you? Can’t you put yourself outside that bubble for even a moment and consider the actual consequences of your stance? ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2013, 4:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yet-another-reason-to-pit-the-nra-no-taggants-in-gunpowder/656031/407 "2013-04-27T16:45:58Z")
> [@Martin\_Hyde](#): > > …But I also dislike that the anti-gun crowd in the United States mostly seems driven by a personal dislike not for guns (which they are mostly just ignorant of), but the people who own guns. And it feels like a desire by big city liberals to take something away from people they view as backwards rednecks simply because they don’t like backward rednecks that own guns. Low Broderism. “Ignorance of guns”? How much do you need to know? Point this end, pull this little doohickey down here, and punch a hole in somebody. Do I really need to be able to recognize an M-195(a) anti-magnetic bayonet mount, or is the “punching holes” part enough for me to form an opinion? It must be noted, in all fairness, that indeed the common redneck is just as backward and ignorant as the legend implies, they are not nearly so sophisticated and open-minded as the peckerwood. Willy Nelson is a peckerwood, Bull Connor was a redneck. Makes a difference. ---
**Author:** ![Martin\_Hyde](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/47e85d/32.png) [@Martin\_Hyde](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Martin_Hyde)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2013, 6:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yet-another-reason-to-pit-the-nra-no-taggants-in-gunpowder/656031/408 "2013-04-27T18:21:06Z")
You’re posting Luci but I don’t think you’re saying anything. ---
**Author:** ![Bruce\_Wayne](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/22d042/32.png) [@Bruce\_Wayne](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bruce_Wayne)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2013, 6:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yet-another-reason-to-pit-the-nra-no-taggants-in-gunpowder/656031/409 "2013-04-27T18:33:50Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > Low Broderism. “Ignorance of guns”? How much do you need to know? Point this end, pull this little doohickey down here, and punch a hole in somebody. Do I really need to be able to recognize an M-195(a) anti-magnetic bayonet mount, or is the “punching holes” part enough for me to form an opinion? Not a meaningful one. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2013, 6:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yet-another-reason-to-pit-the-nra-no-taggants-in-gunpowder/656031/410 "2013-04-27T18:46:15Z")
> [@Martin\_Hyde](#): > > You’re posting Luci but I don’t think you’re saying anything. Don’t have to read 'em, hoss. I’ll get over it. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2013, 7:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yet-another-reason-to-pit-the-nra-no-taggants-in-gunpowder/656031/411 "2013-04-27T19:52:03Z")
> [@Bruce\_Wayne](#): > > Not a meaningful one. Is it the esthetics of the thing that I’m missing? Did the medical examiner pause to admire the configuration of entry and exit wounds in the child on his table, pleased to see that this was the work of someone with a solid understanding of ballistics, and not some ignorant yokel with his granddaddy’s .30-.30? ---
**Author:** ![Projammer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/projammer/32/559_2.png) [@Projammer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Projammer)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2013, 8:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yet-another-reason-to-pit-the-nra-no-taggants-in-gunpowder/656031/412 "2013-04-27T20:45:09Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > Is it the esthetics of the thing that I’m missing? > > Did the medical examiner pause to admire the configuration of entry and exit wounds in the child on his table, pleased to see that this was the work of someone with a solid understanding of ballistics, and not some ignorant yokel with his granddaddy’s .30-.30? Now tell us about the shoulder thing that goes up. And how high capacity magazines will become more scarce as they’re used up and we aren’t able to purchase more. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2013, 8:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yet-another-reason-to-pit-the-nra-no-taggants-in-gunpowder/656031/413 "2013-04-27T20:57:42Z")
Did somebody else say that, and they are wrong? Then go tell them. If some drooling moron makes an ignorant argument that he imagines somehow supports your case, are you obliged to defend it? ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2013, 9:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yet-another-reason-to-pit-the-nra-no-taggants-in-gunpowder/656031/414 "2013-04-27T21:06:54Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > So, what happened? Did the clear and calm reasoning of Wayne LaPierre bring folks round to the sensible point of view? The people who still remain strongly in favor of background checks and the slippery, slippery Teflon Ski Jump, are there more of them than there were? Or less, do you think? The water has receded, has it receded _below_ its previous mark? > > Has the outrage died down, is that it? For how long, do you figure? Until it happens again? > > Think it won’t? I’d be delighted, I’d be happy to chuck the whole thing if that were true. Any reason I should think so? Be tickled pink to hear it, lay it out for me. No. I think people became aware of the bill’s actual language. I know that voters being aware of the laws flies in the face of sound liberal doctrine, but I think that’s what happened. Voters became aware that the law forbid not only “gun show loopholes” but also, “Sure, honey, you can practice with my Glock at the firing range today,” if sent by text message. Sec 122(40(B) of S. 649. And they realized, “Fuck if the anti-gunners weren’t lying again.” ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2013, 9:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yet-another-reason-to-pit-the-nra-no-taggants-in-gunpowder/656031/415 "2013-04-27T21:08:59Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > Low Broderism. “Ignorance of guns”? How much do you need to know? Point this end, pull this little doohickey down here, and punch a hole in somebody. Do I really need to be able to recognize an M-195(a) anti-magnetic bayonet mount, or is the “punching holes” part enough for me to form an opinion? When you start proposing legislation that bans guns with this kind of doohickey but not THAT kind of doohickey and are unable to articulate the meaningful distinction between the different types of doohickeys… that’s what you need to know to form an opinion. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2013, 9:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yet-another-reason-to-pit-the-nra-no-taggants-in-gunpowder/656031/416 "2013-04-27T21:09:32Z")
> [@](#): > > …Sure, honey, you can practice with my Glock at the firing range today," if sent by text message. Sec 122(40(B) of S. 649… Well, truly,you have a point, can’t count how many news bits I’ve seen about crowds of angry citizens, seething in fury over Sec 122(40(B) of S. 649. Got me there. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2013, 9:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yet-another-reason-to-pit-the-nra-no-taggants-in-gunpowder/656031/417 "2013-04-27T21:20:33Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > When you start proposing legislation that bans guns with this kind of doohickey but not THAT kind of doohickey and are unable to articulate the meaningful distinction between the different types of doohickeys… that’s what you need to know to form an opinion. No, all that’s all you need. TG, IANAL, and do not view the law as you do. You are entitled to see this as a disqualifying failure on my part, if you choose. Will it be difficult and vexing to define the terms to a legally fine distinction? No doubt. Is it impossible, therefore, and we should just give up and let the carnival of carnage romp happily along? I think not, but you are welcome to despair. ---
**Author:** ![doorhinge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a5b964/32.png) [@doorhinge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/doorhinge)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2013, 3:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yet-another-reason-to-pit-the-nra-no-taggants-in-gunpowder/656031/418 "2013-04-28T03:40:36Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > Your premise is highly questionable, as other posters have shown. Are you sure you understood my premise? \*Originally Posted by doorhinge If the taggants can be easily removed, they won’t be around to help ID the “end user”. \* How will the taggants be located and identified if they were previously removed? ---
**Author:** ![doorhinge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a5b964/32.png) [@doorhinge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/doorhinge)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2013, 4:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yet-another-reason-to-pit-the-nra-no-taggants-in-gunpowder/656031/419 "2013-04-28T04:09:19Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > Really now? Wanting there to be _fewer murders_ isn’t a part of it, not as you see it? You can only understand a desire for some real, responsible controls by looking in the mirror and seeing your own personal distaste for those who are reminding you of your own moral failings in opposing them? > > Does your reflexive partisan loyalty really required this of you? **Can’t you put yourself outside that bubble for even a moment and consider the actual consequences of your stance?** Did you forget that the two monsters who created the pressure cooker bombs to kill and maim as many people as they possibly could, USED BOMBS TO ACCOMPLISH THAT GOAL? How would your banning of firearms have prevented the bombs in Boston, or Columbine, or Oklahoma City, or Aurora, or…? ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2013, 5:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yet-another-reason-to-pit-the-nra-no-taggants-in-gunpowder/656031/420 "2013-04-28T05:16:56Z")
Did he do it _again_? Darn, **Elvish** , we talked about this! Banning all firearms will not bring on the Age of Aquarius! When it arrives, _then_ we will ban all firearms! No more guns is the result, not the cause! Sorry, he gets out of hand sometimes. An excitable boy. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yet-another-reason-to-pit-the-nra-no-taggants-in-gunpowder/656031.md?page=20) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yet-another-reason-to-pit-the-nra-no-taggants-in-gunpowder/656031.md?page=22)