# Yet another reason to Pit the NRA - no taggants in gunpowder **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [April 18, 2013, 1:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yet-another-reason-to-pit-the-nra-no-taggants-in-gunpowder/656031 "2013-04-18T13:03:28Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 24
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2013, 12:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yet-another-reason-to-pit-the-nra-no-taggants-in-gunpowder/656031/461 "2013-05-05T00:33:33Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > He’s also the only one who seems to think there was no forensic evidence available before they “effectively turned themselves in” despite the fact that video and stills of the two were broadcast all over the place. > > Then he has the nerve to say that I never post anything that’s accurate! Its pretty hard enough to be a conservative on this board. Trying to be a libertarian puts you in the same category of credibility as a flat earther but you have managed to achieve credibility. Elvis is just too used to having the facts on his side and an avalanche of backslapping liberals and doesn’t know what to do when the facts are against him (and most of the liberals have realized that this is not where they hold the high ground). > [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > What part of “grow the fuck up” do you not understand? That seems to be your response to being wrong about things. Its a very mature attitude. The one thing I like about this board is that the sort of shit that flies on the yahoo message boards simply doesn’t fly here. ---
**Author:** ![jz78817](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jz78817/32/1028_2.png) [@jz78817](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jz78817)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2013, 12:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yet-another-reason-to-pit-the-nra-no-taggants-in-gunpowder/656031/462 "2013-05-05T00:55:26Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > What part of “grow the fuck up” do you not understand? the part where you explain why he needs to “grow the fuck up.” ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2013, 12:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yet-another-reason-to-pit-the-nra-no-taggants-in-gunpowder/656031/463 "2013-05-05T00:59:44Z")
So, how about them taggants, huh? ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2013, 2:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yet-another-reason-to-pit-the-nra-no-taggants-in-gunpowder/656031/464 "2013-05-05T02:10:56Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > What part of “grow the fuck up” do you not understand? The part where it came frim the board clown. ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2013, 4:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yet-another-reason-to-pit-the-nra-no-taggants-in-gunpowder/656031/465 "2013-05-05T04:55:21Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > The part where it came frim the board clown. Is Clothahump even in this thread? ---
**Author:** ![mske](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ccd318/32.png) [@mske](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mske)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2013, 1:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yet-another-reason-to-pit-the-nra-no-taggants-in-gunpowder/656031/466 "2013-05-05T13:18:34Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > You never did tell us what little piss-ant sort of point you were waiting to make, did you? Yeah, I did. I notice that you didn’t refute any part of it. You seem to be about as sharp as a bowling ball. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2013, 2:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yet-another-reason-to-pit-the-nra-no-taggants-in-gunpowder/656031/467 "2013-05-05T14:28:00Z")
Missing something here. If you guys can prove that **Elvish** is not a very nice person, that means you win the argument? ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2013, 2:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yet-another-reason-to-pit-the-nra-no-taggants-in-gunpowder/656031/468 "2013-05-05T14:36:27Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > Missing something here. If you guys can prove that **Elvish** is not a very nice person, that means you win the argument? Ii would settle for him telling us what was so inaccurate about my original post in reply to his musings. Either that, or manning up for once and admitting he was wrong. Maybe he doesn’t realize that it"s OK to admit a mistake. People actually think better of you, generally. ---
**Author:** ![mske](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ccd318/32.png) [@mske](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mske)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2013, 2:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yet-another-reason-to-pit-the-nra-no-taggants-in-gunpowder/656031/469 "2013-05-05T14:39:19Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > Missing something here. If you guys can prove that **Elvish** is not a very nice person, that means you win the argument? It’s a shame that this thread wasn’t in **Great Debates**. And there is no **“you guys”**. And he should be able to stand on his own. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2013, 2:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yet-another-reason-to-pit-the-nra-no-taggants-in-gunpowder/656031/470 "2013-05-05T14:39:57Z")
All it takes is an excuse for them yell “Gungrabbers! _Freeeee-dom_!” I’m simply telling them that we already know that’s what’s coming, that that’s all they have anyway, that they’re being disdained because of it, and _that’s_ what’s pissing them off. And for our local common scold **John** , all it takes is something to validate his self-image as morally superior to us grubby, compromised \*participants \*(yecch!). ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2013, 3:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yet-another-reason-to-pit-the-nra-no-taggants-in-gunpowder/656031/471 "2013-05-05T15:02:37Z")
If you think its so easy, _you_ try being a partisan of the extreme center! ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2013, 3:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yet-another-reason-to-pit-the-nra-no-taggants-in-gunpowder/656031/472 "2013-05-05T15:04:27Z")
IOW, nothing. Which is not at all surprising. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2013, 3:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yet-another-reason-to-pit-the-nra-no-taggants-in-gunpowder/656031/473 "2013-05-05T15:08:53Z")
> [@Lobohan](#): > > Is Clothahump even in this thread? Perhaps I was a bit unfair. One of the board’s clowns. ---
**Author:** ![mske](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ccd318/32.png) [@mske](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mske)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2013, 3:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yet-another-reason-to-pit-the-nra-no-taggants-in-gunpowder/656031/474 "2013-05-05T15:14:01Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > All it takes is an excuse for them yell “Gungrabbers! _Freeeee-dom_!” I’m simply telling them that we already know that’s what’s coming, that that’s all they have anyway, that they’re being disdained because of it, and _that’s_ what’s pissing them off. Again - I professed nothing in support of guns. This (taggants) is just a stupid idea. Admit it, and it’s cool. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2013, 3:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yet-another-reason-to-pit-the-nra-no-taggants-in-gunpowder/656031/475 "2013-05-05T15:26:53Z")
I’ll review the bidding. First off, taggants are not a Big Hairy Ass Deal. In almost all cases where somebody shot somebody, we pretty much know who shot who. Or, failing that, we can pretty much always find out well short of needing to track taggants to prove it. On the other hand, taggants are likely to be harmless, if somewhat gormless. Further and further, in the prevailing political climate, advancing a taggant agenda is hopeless, since even the mildest and most reasonable of gun control regulation has been met and will be met with hysterical opposition because freedom. If the tepid and mild regulation agenda recently offered cannot pass even with solid majority support, how can any progress be made on “taggants” when ninety percent of the people have no idea what a “taggant” is? Probably more. If these other issues are resolved, perhaps someday we can drill down to “taggants”, and then we can hear about how its all part of Obama’s agenda to impose Sharia law. Does the NRA oppose “taggants”? Most likely. But hating the NRA for that is like hating Hitler because he was a piss-poor water colorist. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2013, 4:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yet-another-reason-to-pit-the-nra-no-taggants-in-gunpowder/656031/476 "2013-05-05T16:39:48Z")
Cool mstache though ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2013, 5:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yet-another-reason-to-pit-the-nra-no-taggants-in-gunpowder/656031/477 "2013-05-05T17:06:18Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > Does the NRA oppose “taggants”? Most likely. But hating the NRA for that is like hating Hitler because he was a piss-poor water colorist. Know what? This thread isn’t really about taggants. It’s about seeing just how strong the reflex reactions are among the gunstroking crowd. It’s about seeing just how small an advance might be toward reducing murders, or catching murderers, before they hear the bell ringing and start yapping. And it’s been illustrative - the answer is “anything at all”. There is no limit at all to their willingness to help murderers go free as long as they use anything even remotely and trivially associatable with their gun fetish. No limit whatsoever - it’s a blank spot on their moral map, the reflex reaction overcomes any such thought process they might otherwise be capable of. If you’re not saddened by that you should be. ---
**Author:** ![mske](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ccd318/32.png) [@mske](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mske)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2013, 5:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yet-another-reason-to-pit-the-nra-no-taggants-in-gunpowder/656031/478 "2013-05-05T17:34:28Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > Know what? This thread isn’t really about taggants. It’s about seeing just how strong the reflex reactions are among the gunstroking crowd. It’s about seeing just how small an advance might be toward reducing murders, or catching murderers, before they hear the bell ringing and start yapping. > > And it’s been illustrative - the answer is “anything at all”. There is no limit at all to their willingness to help murderers go free as long as they use anything even remotely and trivially associatable with their gun fetish. No limit whatsoever - it’s a blank spot on their moral map, the reflex reaction overcomes any such thought process they might otherwise be capable of. If you’re not saddened by that you should be. The thread is about taggants. It’s in the thread title. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2013, 6:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yet-another-reason-to-pit-the-nra-no-taggants-in-gunpowder/656031/479 "2013-05-05T18:23:38Z")
It is Written. ---
**Author:** ![mske](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ccd318/32.png) [@mske](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mske)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2013, 6:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yet-another-reason-to-pit-the-nra-no-taggants-in-gunpowder/656031/480 "2013-05-05T18:35:30Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > It is Written. Spouting your usual keyboard pseudo-intellectual crap again. Offer a stance. I’ve seen this for too long. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yet-another-reason-to-pit-the-nra-no-taggants-in-gunpowder/656031.md?page=23) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yet-another-reason-to-pit-the-nra-no-taggants-in-gunpowder/656031.md?page=25)