# Yet another unjustified tasering by idiot cop **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [September 2, 2010, 7:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yet-another-unjustified-tasering-by-idiot-cop/552359 "2010-09-02T07:33:02Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 15\ **Page:** 13
**Author:** ![x-ray\_vision](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/x-ray_vision/32/351_2.png) [@x-ray\_vision](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/x-ray_vision)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2010, 3:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yet-another-unjustified-tasering-by-idiot-cop/552359/241 "2010-09-12T03:10:46Z")
> [@bdgr](#): > > I’m saying that an non-enforceable bill doesn’t matter anyway, but I doubt any place is going to bill you for an eval when brought in by the police, and the hospitals I worked at did not. Then again, they may have bill the police, That wouldnt’ have been something I was privy to. What is a “non-enforceable” bill? McFarland shouldn’t have worried about paying the bill because it was “non-enforceable”? Okay, you “doubt” that there is a bill because one was brought in by police and you admit you weren’t privy to billing. I’m telling you I have no doubt it doesn’t work the way you think it does. Doctors and hospitals don’t give anyone a break on paying bills based on how they were brought there and police forces don’t pay patients’ bills. ---
**Author:** ![bdgr](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/a87d85/32.png) [@bdgr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bdgr)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2010, 3:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yet-another-unjustified-tasering-by-idiot-cop/552359/242 "2010-09-12T03:17:08Z")
> [@x-ray\_vision](#): > > > [@bdgr](#): > > > > Have you ever worked psych? County hospitals here send psych patients to the psych floor, if they don’t take them to a dedicated psych hospital. They don’t just drop them off in the ER. I’m not saying their aren’t hospitals that do that. But having worked in several different facilities, and with a lot of different techs, doctors and nurses, I’ve never heard of them doing it. It wouldn’t make sense. You want to calm someone down when you bring them in. > > I’ve worked in several inner city hospitals. Psych patients aren’t taken straight to the psych floor. They’re taken straight to the ER. ER docs can calm down psych patients too. Well, that’s the case in hospitals you’ve worked. it’s not that way everywhere. > [@](#): > > > [@](#): > > > > You may be discussing that. I’m saying that an non-enforceable bill doesn’t matter anyway, but I doubt any place is going to bill you for an eval when brought in by the police, and the hospitals I worked at did not. Then again, they may have bill the police, That wouldnt’ have been something I was privy to. > > No, WE were discussing that; then you attempted to move the goal post and pretend that luck collecting on a bill was an issue. No, they don’t bill the police. :rolleyes: They bill patients and their insurance company if they have insurance. And there will be a record of that claim. I didn’t move anything. I consider it an issue, you don’t. It certainly wont keep me up at nights that you don’t. Well, like I said, I wasn’t involved with billing, but they dont bill the patient for an eval when they are brought in by the police. Again, they may where you worked, but it seems unlikely. And hospitals do bill the police when they bring pirsoners in, so you can drop the silly rolleyes smiley. I don’t know know about when it’s protective custody, but it seems to me that it would be al logical step. ---
**Author:** ![x-ray\_vision](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/x-ray_vision/32/351_2.png) [@x-ray\_vision](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/x-ray_vision)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2010, 3:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yet-another-unjustified-tasering-by-idiot-cop/552359/243 "2010-09-12T03:19:51Z")
> [@bdgr](#): > > > [@x-ray\_vision](#): > > > > You’re the only one who saw him approach anyone. > > I think people can make up their own minds on that one. What you said earlier: > [@](#): > > The guys says “fuck you” and gets up and heads towards the officer. Here’s the link to the video: > **[ItemFix - Social Video Factory](https://www.itemfix.com/?r=ll)** > > Social Video Factory He gets up at 4:57. Can you tell us at what time he heads towards the officer? Where was this officer standing in relation to McFarland? How far away was he? ---
**Author:** ![bdgr](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/a87d85/32.png) [@bdgr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bdgr)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2010, 3:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yet-another-unjustified-tasering-by-idiot-cop/552359/244 "2010-09-12T03:23:27Z")
> [@x-ray\_vision](#): > > > [@bdgr](#): > > > > I’m saying that an non-enforceable bill doesn’t matter anyway, but I doubt any place is going to bill you for an eval when brought in by the police, and the hospitals I worked at did not. Then again, they may have bill the police, That wouldnt’ have been something I was privy to. > > What is a “non-enforceable” bill? McFarland shouldn’t have worried about paying the bill because it was “non-enforceable”? If someone sends you a bill you are not legally obligated to pay, then no, you shouldn’t worry about it. You might have to dispute it. > [@](#): > > Okay, you “doubt” that there is a bill because one was brought in by police and you admit you weren’t privy to billing. I know that patients brought for eval and not admitted were not billed at any of the hospitals I worked at. I know this because I would be asked to sit in when a doc wanted a tech present. After they were admitted, I don’t know as much, because when they were released I wasn’t there. > [@](#): > > I’m telling you I have no doubt it doesn’t work the way you think it does. Doctors and hospitals don’t give anyone a break on paying bills based on how they were brought there and police forces don’t pay patients’ bills. I’m telling you, I have no doubt you dont know what you’re talking about. As I ahve said, it may work that way in some hospitals, but not the ones I’ve worked in. And city/county government does in fact pay patients bills when they are brought in as prisoners. ---
**Author:** ![x-ray\_vision](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/x-ray_vision/32/351_2.png) [@x-ray\_vision](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/x-ray_vision)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2010, 3:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yet-another-unjustified-tasering-by-idiot-cop/552359/245 "2010-09-12T03:26:17Z")
> [@bdgr](#): > > Well, like I said, I wasn’t involved with billing, but they dont bill the patient for an eval when they are brought in by the police. Again, they may where you worked, but it seems unlikely. It’s not unlikely. Doctors and hospitals bill patients. > [@](#): > > And hospitals do bill the police when they bring pirsoners in, so you can drop the silly rolleyes smiley. I don’t know know about when it’s protective custody, but it seems to me that it would be al logical step. No, they don’t bill the police and we’re not talking about prisoners. Provide a cite for police forces getting bills for prisoners. ---
**Author:** ![bdgr](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/a87d85/32.png) [@bdgr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bdgr)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2010, 3:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yet-another-unjustified-tasering-by-idiot-cop/552359/246 "2010-09-12T03:28:49Z")
> [@x-ray\_vision](#): > > > [@bdgr](#): > > > > I think people can make up their own minds on that one. > > What you said earlier: > > > [@](#): > > > > The guys says “fuck you” and gets up and heads towards the officer. > > Here’s the link to the video: > > [ItemFix - Social Video Factory](http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=7ca_1283547136) > > He gets up at 4:57. Can you tell us at what time he heads towards the officer? Where was this officer standing in relation to McFarland? How far away was he? Being that the camera was in the taser , the officer was in front of him. He said fuck you and got up, in the process, moving towards him. He could have turned as he got up, he could have stated he was complying, but what he said indicated he was not going to complay, and his motion towards the officer would be seen as hostile. I know you disagree. ---
**Author:** ![bdgr](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/a87d85/32.png) [@bdgr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bdgr)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2010, 3:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yet-another-unjustified-tasering-by-idiot-cop/552359/247 "2010-09-12T03:32:12Z")
> [@x-ray\_vision](#): > > > [@bdgr](#): > > > > Well, like I said, I wasn’t involved with billing, but they dont bill the patient for an eval when they are brought in by the police. Again, they may where you worked, but it seems unlikely. > > It’s not unlikely. Doctors and hospitals bill patients. When they are admitted and treated. When they are eval’d they are not patients, and are not billed. > [@](#): > > > [@](#): > > > > And hospitals do bill the police when they bring pirsoners in, so you can drop the silly rolleyes smiley. I don’t know know about when it’s protective custody, but it seems to me that it would be al logical step. > > No, they don’t bill the police and we’re not talking about prisoners. Provide a cite for police forces getting bills for prisoners. Yes, they do bill the city/county. You haven’t provided the cite I asked you for, so why should I go to the trouble. It’s not an outrageous claim. When someone is in custody, their medical care is agencies responsibilty. That’s why prisons have their own hospitals. ---
**Author:** ![x-ray\_vision](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/x-ray_vision/32/351_2.png) [@x-ray\_vision](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/x-ray_vision)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2010, 3:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yet-another-unjustified-tasering-by-idiot-cop/552359/248 "2010-09-12T03:32:32Z")
> [@bdgr](#): > > I know that patients brought for eval and not admitted were not billed at any of the hospitals I worked at. I know this because I would be asked to sit in when a doc wanted a tech present. After they were admitted, I don’t know as much, because when they were released I wasn’t there. Because you were present when a doc asked you to be you know there wasn’t a bill? Did you think you would have seen the doc write up the bill himself and hand it to the patient? > [@](#): > > I’m telling you, I have no doubt you dont know what you’re talking about. As I ahve said, it may work that way in some hospitals, but not the ones I’ve worked in. It may work that way in some hospitals or I don’t know what I’m talking about? Which is it? > [@](#): > > And city/county government does in fact pay patients bills when they are brought in as prisoners. I never said otherwise. Stop making straw man arguments. ---
**Author:** ![x-ray\_vision](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/x-ray_vision/32/351_2.png) [@x-ray\_vision](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/x-ray_vision)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2010, 3:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yet-another-unjustified-tasering-by-idiot-cop/552359/249 "2010-09-12T03:38:28Z")
> [@bdgr](#): > > When they are admitted and treated. When they are eval’d they are not patients, and are not billed. Of course they’re patients during the evaluations. I don’t know where you get this stuff. Getting seen by docs in the ER or on the floor is being treated and billable. > [@](#): > > Yes, they do bill the city/county. You haven’t provided the cite I asked you for, so why should I go to the trouble. It’s not an outrageous claim. When someone is in custody, their medical care is agencies responsibilty. That’s why prisons have their own hospitals. You made the claim, you provide the site. Tell me why you think they would bill McFarland if he’s admitted but not if he’s seen by docs and not admitted. Prisoners get free care for all services; you obviously see a distinction between McFarland and a prisoner. ---
**Author:** ![x-ray\_vision](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/x-ray_vision/32/351_2.png) [@x-ray\_vision](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/x-ray_vision)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2010, 3:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yet-another-unjustified-tasering-by-idiot-cop/552359/250 "2010-09-12T03:40:34Z")
never mind ---
**Author:** ![x-ray\_vision](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/x-ray_vision/32/351_2.png) [@x-ray\_vision](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/x-ray_vision)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2010, 3:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yet-another-unjustified-tasering-by-idiot-cop/552359/251 "2010-09-12T03:47:16Z")
> [@bdgr](#): > > Being that the camera was in the taser , the officer was in front of him. He said fuck you and got up, in the process, moving towards him. He could have turned as he got up, he could have stated he was complying, but what he said indicated he was not going to complay, and his motion towards the officer would be seen as hostile. I know you disagree. I asked you how far the officer was more than once and you haven’t answered. I asked you to tell me during what time frame he moves towards him and you again didn’t reply. Did he have time to turn? Did he move towards the officer instead? By taking a step? Which foot did he start that step with? ---
**Author:** ![bdgr](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/a87d85/32.png) [@bdgr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bdgr)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2010, 4:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yet-another-unjustified-tasering-by-idiot-cop/552359/252 "2010-09-12T04:46:36Z")
> [@x-ray\_vision](#): > > > [@bdgr](#): > > > > Being that the camera was in the taser , the officer was in front of him. He said fuck you and got up, in the process, moving towards him. He could have turned as he got up, he could have stated he was complying, but what he said indicated he was not going to complay, and his motion towards the officer would be seen as hostile. I know you disagree. > > I asked you how far the officer was more than once and you haven’t answered. I asked you to tell me during what time frame he moves towards him and you again didn’t reply. Did he have time to turn? Did he move towards the officer instead? By taking a step? Which foot did he start that step with? I have no idea how far he was. He was in the living room, so not very far. I did reply, he moved towards the officer as he was getting up. so around the time you quoted. You disagree with my interpretation of his actions. I don’t care, you’ve probably never had to subdue anyone or had someone cup up out of a chair at you. I have, and I’m basing my intreptation out of experiences you lack. I wont convince you, because you’re obsessed with the subject. I’m not. I’ve voiced my opinion, acknowledged your experiences may be difffert, and you’ve insisted that your experiences are the only reality. Wallow in ignorance, I’ve said all i need to say to you. ---
**Author:** ![bdgr](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/a87d85/32.png) [@bdgr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bdgr)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2010, 4:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yet-another-unjustified-tasering-by-idiot-cop/552359/253 "2010-09-12T04:55:18Z")
> [@x-ray\_vision](#): > > > [@bdgr](#): > > > > I know that patients brought for eval and not admitted were not billed at any of the hospitals I worked at. I know this because I would be asked to sit in when a doc wanted a tech present. After they were admitted, I don’t know as much, because when they were released I wasn’t there. > > Because you were present when a doc asked you to be you know there wasn’t a bill? Did you think you would have seen the doc write up the bill himself and hand it to the patient? well…almost done… Because when the patient asked about it they were told there was no bill. Because when I walked showed them to thd door the front desk told them there was no bill. Because there was no bill. > [@](#): > > It may work that way in some hospitals or I don’t know what I’m talking about? Which is it? both. > [@](#): > > > [@](#): > > > > And city/county government does in fact pay patients bills when they are brought in as prisoners. > > I never said otherwise. Stop making straw man arguments. Yes you did. Scroll up a bit. ---
**Author:** ![x-ray\_vision](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/x-ray_vision/32/351_2.png) [@x-ray\_vision](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/x-ray_vision)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2010, 5:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yet-another-unjustified-tasering-by-idiot-cop/552359/254 "2010-09-12T05:07:06Z")
> [@bdgr](#): > > I have no idea how far he was. He was in the living room, so not very far. You know how big the living room was? It was reasonable to assume he was going to lunge towards the officer from some unknown distance so he should have been Tased the moment he stood up? > [@](#): > > I did reply You didn’t answer the questions I asked. > [@](#): > > he moved towards the officer as he was getting up. As he was getting up? All he did was stand up? Are you claiming that standing up is moving towards the officer? You’re moving the goal post again. What you said: \*The guys says “fuck you” and gets up and heads towards the officer. \* What foot did he start heading towards the officer with? What was the time frame on the video so we can all see it happen? > [@](#): > > I wont convince you, because you’re obsessed with the subject. I’m obsessed with the subject? Where are you getting that from? What obsession have I shown that you haven’t? > [@](#): > > you’ve insisted that your experiences are the only reality. Man, that’s lame. > [@](#): > > both. That makes no sense. You said: _"I’m telling you, I have no doubt you dont know what you’re talking about. As I ahve said, it may work that way in some hospitals, but not the ones I’ve worked in. "_ If you claim it may work that way in some hospitals, how could you also claim to have no doubt that I don’t know what I’m talking about? > [@](#): > > Yes you did. Scroll up a bit. No, I didn’t. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2010, 6:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yet-another-unjustified-tasering-by-idiot-cop/552359/255 "2010-09-12T06:01:37Z")
> [@x-ray\_vision](#): > > As he was getting up? All he did was stand up? Are you claiming that standing up is moving towards the officer? You’re moving the goal post again. What you said: > > \*The guys says “fuck you” and gets up and heads towards the officer. \* You’re really laughable. The cop is in front of the chair. How is getting up from the chair NOT also heading towards the officer? Have you watched the 36:50 video clip? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yet-another-unjustified-tasering-by-idiot-cop/552359.md?page=12)