# Yet Another Vote & Run Coward **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [April 9, 2010, 4:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yet-another-vote-run-coward/535551 "2010-04-09T16:53:46Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 15\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![flickster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/7bcc69/32.png) [@flickster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/flickster)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2010, 3:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yet-another-vote-run-coward/535551/41 "2010-04-10T03:09:23Z")
> [@Squink](#): > > So you’ve got no numbers, just a ‘gut feeling’ on the same level as Bush’s assessment of the grave and gathering threat posed by Saddam’s WMD’s. Did you fall for that one? I never did. You have no numbers proving I’m wrong. At least I offered a cite. Sound to me like you’re the one operating on gut (or some other part) feel ---
**Author:** ![Squink](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5e925/32.png) [@Squink](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Squink)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2010, 3:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yet-another-vote-run-coward/535551/42 "2010-04-10T03:41:20Z")
> [@flickster](#): > > Sound to me like you’re the one operating on gut… I’m not the one claiming a ‘vast majority’, you are, with a cite which suggests that perhaps 3/16th of Democratic congressmen might be tiptoeing around the teabaggers. That’s simply not good enough. Now if you’d said that the ‘vast minority’ of congressmen had not tried to explain the new health law at their hometown events, I’d’ve agreed with you, and _then_ laughed at you. At least then you’d’ve gotten a little credit for honesty. ---
**Author:** ![wonky](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wonky/32/393_2.png) [@wonky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wonky)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2010, 2:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yet-another-vote-run-coward/535551/43 "2010-04-10T14:16:41Z")
> [@flickster](#): > > Nope, you’re missing the point. > > I’m pissed that they have the gall to act surprised that their constituents are upset with their performance/voting record and then instead of defending their actions paint themselves invisible while on their home turf or as in this case, just decide they don’t have a chance and quit. > > As I said before, Stupak is merely today’s poster child. Does it sadden me that he’s quitting - NO. I would like to see Most of them routed (both parties). With Congressional approval polls at only 11%, I’m not alone Seriously, do you want him to face a lynch mob or something? ---
**Author:** ![flickster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/7bcc69/32.png) [@flickster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/flickster)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2010, 4:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yet-another-vote-run-coward/535551/44 "2010-04-10T16:38:54Z")
> [@Squink](#): > > I’m not the one claiming a ‘vast majority’, you are, with a cite which suggests that perhaps 3/16th of Democratic congressmen might be tiptoeing around the teabaggers. That’s simply not good enough. Now if you’d said that the ‘vast minority’ of congressmen had not tried to explain the new health law at their hometown events, I’d’ve agreed with you, and _then_ laughed at you. At least then you’d’ve gotten a little credit for honesty. All you’ve done is apply your own conceived value to the writer’s dozens comment ---
**Author:** ![Squink](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5e925/32.png) [@Squink](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Squink)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2010, 5:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yet-another-vote-run-coward/535551/45 "2010-04-10T17:22:38Z")
Yes, I certainly haven’t come up with anything as dishonest as your ‘vast majority’ from the cite you provided. That was your doing. Are you yet another Republican coward who won’t own up to your exaggerations and errors in interpretation? They’re common as dirt nowdays. ---
**Author:** ![Evil\_One](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/45deac/32.png) [@Evil\_One](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Evil_One)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2010, 6:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yet-another-vote-run-coward/535551/46 "2010-04-10T18:17:59Z")
> [@Squink](#): > > Nah, The GOP is a spent force Graveyard whistling. Stupak was a central figure in getting the health care bill passed and he clued in to the fact that his district was going to make him pay for it in November. ---
**Author:** ![Evil\_One](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/45deac/32.png) [@Evil\_One](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Evil_One)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2010, 6:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yet-another-vote-run-coward/535551/47 "2010-04-10T18:41:35Z")
> [@Squink](#): > > I’m not the one claiming a ‘vast majority’, you are, with a cite which suggests that perhaps 3/16th of Democratic congressmen might be tiptoeing around the teabaggers. The political landscape has changed dramatically in the past year. Unless someone is totally blinded by ideology and wishful thinking, the inescapable conclusion is that independents are fleeing from Obama and a majority of people now oppose many aspects of his agenda. If the democrats who voted “no” on the health care bill had felt safe in their own districts, they would have voted “yes”. They can see the handwriting on the wall. It’s also in the polling data. The idea that voters will be more open to the health care law “once it’s explained to them” hasn’t happened. I disagree with Obama on fiscal policy. I think that the Cap and Trade bill is premature because more alternative energy sources are not yet available or cost effective. I think the new nuclear policy is naive. For those reasons and a few others, I hope Obama and the Democrats keep pushing those ideas nice and hard. I hope they draw a clear unmistakable line in the sand and let everyone know where they stand. Then the bloodbath will come in November. Apparently there are many people in this country that needed to touch the liberal stove for themselves to find out that it’s actually hot. The left got to drive the car for a while…but they pissed off dad and he’s about to take the keys away. ---
**Author:** ![Squink](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5e925/32.png) [@Squink](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Squink)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2010, 7:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yet-another-vote-run-coward/535551/48 "2010-04-10T19:25:50Z")
> [@Evil\_One](#): > > The political landscape has changed dramatically in the past year. Sure it has 😉 Let me know when you win back your majority in congress, will ya? Til then, talk is cheap. ---
**Author:** ![Evil\_One](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/45deac/32.png) [@Evil\_One](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Evil_One)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2010, 7:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yet-another-vote-run-coward/535551/49 "2010-04-10T19:29:22Z")
> [@Squink](#): > > Sure it has 😉 > Let me know when you win back your majority in congress, will ya? Til then, talk is cheap. Is the majority changing your tipping point to conceding my point? Right now, RealClearPolitics is predicting the Republicans will gain eight seats in the Senate. Other sources are calling for Democrats to lose 30 seats or more in the house. How do you explain that? Racism? ---
**Author:** ![Squink](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5e925/32.png) [@Squink](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Squink)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2010, 7:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yet-another-vote-run-coward/535551/50 "2010-04-10T19:52:07Z")
> [@Evil\_One](#): > > Right now, RealClearPolitics is predicting the Republicans will gain eight seats in the Senate Yes, and this is every bit as frightening as Republican tales of Saddam’s WMD’s were in 2003. I wasn’t frightened then, and I think you’re blowing butt gas again today. Naturally, your mileage varies, but you’ve been backing losing political propositions since at least 2006. ---
**Author:** ![Evil\_One](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/45deac/32.png) [@Evil\_One](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Evil_One)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2010, 8:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yet-another-vote-run-coward/535551/51 "2010-04-10T20:21:44Z")
> [@Squink](#): > > I think you’re blowing butt gas again today. Time will tell. Anyone else out there want to get in Squinks corner on this one? ---
**Author:** ![gonzomax](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e8c25b/32.png) [@gonzomax](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gonzomax)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2010, 9:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yet-another-vote-run-coward/535551/52 "2010-04-10T21:55:08Z")
The administration has pulled some masterly strokes lately and so many people missed it. When Obama gave 8 billion to the nuclear people ,and then said he would allow off shore oil drilling ,he took away some useless ululating of the right. They can no longer howl about the Dems being anti nuke energy or trying to achieve energy independence. The fact is neither of these moves will have short term impact. it takes a long time to get a nuclear plant on line. The oil companies are in no hurry to drill any new off shore lands. They already have millions of acres they won’t touch for decades. But the Repubs lost some campaign issues without the Dems giving up anything. Stupak served a function on his way out. he seemed to be a righty on the health care bill,yet he actually just took the issue away from them. It was a nice deflection. He took some heat and retired. He was going to anyway. ---
**Author:** ![Frank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Frank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frank)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2010, 10:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yet-another-vote-run-coward/535551/53 "2010-04-10T22:42:15Z")
> [@Evil\_One](#): > > Then the bloodbath will come in November. Apparently there are many people in this country that needed to touch the liberal stove for themselves to find out that it’s actually hot. The left got to drive the car for a while…but they pissed off dad and he’s about to take the keys away. Given normal, or even worse than normal, off-year losses, Democrats will still control the House, the Senate, and the Presidency come January. I’ll admit there could be a small chance that the Republicans will take the House, but that would require a 1994-style firestorm, and I don’t see any evidence today of that happening, especially as there is no Newt Gingrich electrifying voters with a Contract [del]on[/del] with America. ---
**Author:** ![Raygun99](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/6f9a4e/32.png) [@Raygun99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Raygun99)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2010, 11:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yet-another-vote-run-coward/535551/54 "2010-04-10T23:34:02Z")
> [@Evil\_One](#): > > Is the majority changing your tipping point to conceding my point? > > Right now, RealClearPolitics is predicting the Republicans will gain eight seats in the Senate. Other sources are calling for Democrats to lose 30 seats or more in the house. How do you explain that? Racism? The usual pattern for midterm congressional elections? ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2010, 2:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yet-another-vote-run-coward/535551/55 "2010-04-11T02:31:33Z")
> [@flickster](#): > > With Congressional approval polls at only 11%, I’m not alone Not really a very meaningful statistic. Most polls show voters like their own representative, but hate all the others. That’s why incumbents usually have a big advantage. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yet-another-vote-run-coward/535551.md?page=2)