# Yet Aother Evangelical Christian Leader Bites The ... Dust **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [November 3, 2006, 12:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yet-aother-evangelical-christian-leader-bites-the-dust/378963 "2006-11-03T12:58:34Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 11
**Author:** ![danceswithcats](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/9e8a1a/32.png) [@danceswithcats](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/danceswithcats)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2006, 12:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yet-aother-evangelical-christian-leader-bites-the-dust/378963/201 "2006-11-06T00:33:14Z")
[QUOTE=Contrapuntal] And speaking of sticky issues, did you hear the one about the evangelical president who was a minister to millions, and the gay male escort? No? That’s OK. it all came out in the wash. [/QUOTE] So, an evangelical president walks into a cleaners with a suit and pants and says, “I need this cleaned-there’s a stain on the trousers.” The cleaner, being hard of hearing, says, “Come again?” The evangelical president says, “Nah. Just mayonnaise.” I’m here all week-be sure to try the waitresses and tip some cows. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Cisco](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ccd318/32.png) [@Cisco](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cisco)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2006, 12:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yet-aother-evangelical-christian-leader-bites-the-dust/378963/202 "2006-11-06T00:41:46Z")
[QUOTE=gonzomax] He is a hypocritical cocksucker who pretended to have a pipeline to god. He is a liar and should be tarred and featherered. I excuse a man for his transgressions. But ,not a guy whos stock and trade is religion.They are treated differerently. [/QUOTE] I agree except for the tarred and feathered part. “Making an example” out of him will just confirm the beliefs that his flock will no doubt hold that _he_ was the problem - a bad apple amongst the bunch - and not their entire system. My wish is for Haggard to get pushed aside by the media and the religious right itself be taken to task. That, of course, will not happen. That’s why I used the word ‘wish’. ---
**Author:** ![David\_Simmons](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/9de053/32.png) [@David\_Simmons](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/David_Simmons)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2006, 1:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yet-aother-evangelical-christian-leader-bites-the-dust/378963/203 "2006-11-06T01:48:50Z")
Hey guys, you’re judging the guy and you aren’t supposed to do that. He has accepted Jesus Christ as his Lord and Savior and when he repents, as he will, he’ll be accepted into heaven. Which is another reason I’m glad I won’t be there. ---
**Author:** ![Tuckerfan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/eada6e/32.png) [@Tuckerfan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tuckerfan)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2006, 2:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yet-aother-evangelical-christian-leader-bites-the-dust/378963/204 "2006-11-06T02:18:13Z")
[QUOTE=monstro] It amazes me that sex has such a profound affect on people. The guy knew that what he was doing was wrong (according to his own morals) and that there would be fire and brimstone waiting for him if he didn’t stop. He must have known the consequences of getting caught. And yet the draw of the flesh was so great that even the fear of God wasn’t enough to stop him. I don’t know which is worse: that we’ve villified our sexual desires so staunchly or that sex so frequently wins over common sense. [/QUOTE] You’ve got it backwards, if we **had** common sense, sex wouldn’t be the big issue that so many people make it out to be, and the fact that someone was gay, straight, bi, or what have you, would be treated like we treat handedness. ---
**Author:** ![newcrasher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/b3f665/32.png) [@newcrasher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/newcrasher)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2006, 2:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yet-aother-evangelical-christian-leader-bites-the-dust/378963/205 "2006-11-06T02:20:11Z")
[QUOTE=Tuckerfan] You’ve got it backwards, if we **had** common sense, sex wouldn’t be the big issue that so many people make it out to be, and the fact that someone was gay, straight, bi, or what have you, would be treated like we treat handedness. [/QUOTE] Lefthanded people are evil. ---
**Author:** ![Frank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Frank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frank)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2006, 2:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yet-aother-evangelical-christian-leader-bites-the-dust/378963/206 "2006-11-06T02:22:37Z")
[QUOTE=newcrasher] Lefthanded people are evil. [/QUOTE] Sinister, too. ---
**Author:** ![monstro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ba9def/32.png) [@monstro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/monstro)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2006, 2:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yet-aother-evangelical-christian-leader-bites-the-dust/378963/207 "2006-11-06T02:31:16Z")
[QUOTE=Tuckerfan] You’ve got it backwards, if we **had** common sense, sex wouldn’t be the big issue that so many people make it out to be, and the fact that someone was gay, straight, bi, or what have you, would be treated like we treat handedness. [/QUOTE] Maybe you’re right, but being accepting of homosexuality doesn’t mean that we throw out marriage vows and all conventions of decency. It also doesn’t mean that sex can’t be inappropriate or plain out stupid. If you’re willing to bet your whole life on a single sexual encounter, then you have a serious problem (IMHO). Maybe the system is fucked up, but that doesn’t absolve one from showing self-restraint. ---
**Author:** ![Tuckerfan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/eada6e/32.png) [@Tuckerfan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tuckerfan)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2006, 2:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yet-aother-evangelical-christian-leader-bites-the-dust/378963/208 "2006-11-06T02:37:37Z")
[QUOTE=monstro] Maybe you’re right, but being accepting of homosexuality doesn’t mean that we throw out marriage vows and all conventions of decency. It also doesn’t mean that sex can’t be inappropriate or plain out stupid. If you’re willing to bet your whole life on a single sexual encounter, then you have a serious problem (IMHO). Maybe the system is fucked up, but that doesn’t absolve one from showing self-restraint. [/QUOTE] But if we accepted homosexuality, then perhaps he wouldn’t have felt compelled to marry a woman, father kids, and the whole bit. He would have said, “I’m gay, and shacked up with that nice Jewish boy down the street.” ---
**Author:** ![newcrasher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/b3f665/32.png) [@newcrasher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/newcrasher)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2006, 3:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yet-aother-evangelical-christian-leader-bites-the-dust/378963/209 "2006-11-06T03:38:50Z")
[QUOTE=Tuckerfan] But if we accepted homosexuality, then perhaps he wouldn’t have felt compelled to marry a woman, father kids, and the whole bit. He would have said, “I’m gay, and shacked up with that nice Jewish boy down the street.” [/QUOTE] Make sure the its a reformed Jew. If he is orthodox, he may not eat anything that is not kosher. _…flipping through Deuteronomy…looking for prohibition of eating starfish…_ :o ---
**Author:** ![Kolak\_of\_Twilo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kolak_of_twilo/32/73_2.png) [@Kolak\_of\_Twilo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kolak_of_Twilo)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2006, 4:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yet-aother-evangelical-christian-leader-bites-the-dust/378963/210 "2006-11-06T04:21:20Z")
[QUOTE=newcrasher] [QUOTE=Tuckerfan] You’ve got it backwards, if we had common sense, sex wouldn’t be the big issue that so many people make it out to be, and the fact that someone was gay, straight, bi, or what have you, would be treated like we treat handedness. [/QUOTE] Lefthanded people are evil. [/QUOTE] Exactly. This is why they should be forced to repress their left-handedness and required to learn to be right handed without regard for any mental or emotional distress this might cause for them. In fact, organizations should be established to reeducate them concerning how wrong left-handedness is and possibly even therapy to help them overcome the urge to act on it. ---
**Author:** ![Voyager](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/voyager/32/133_2.png) [@Voyager](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Voyager)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2006, 7:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yet-aother-evangelical-christian-leader-bites-the-dust/378963/211 "2006-11-06T07:20:36Z")
[QUOTE=Kolak of Twilo] Exactly. This is why they should be forced to repress their left-handedness and required to learn to be right handed without regard for any mental or emotional distress this might cause for them. In fact, organizations should be established to reeducate them concerning how wrong left-handedness is and possibly even therapy to help them overcome the urge to act on it. [/QUOTE] Don’t laugh - 80 years ago, left handers were forced to try to write right handed. My father was. I’m half-left handed, so I’m semi-sinister I suppose. ---
**Author:** ![Shirley\_Ujest](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/45deac/32.png) [@Shirley\_Ujest](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shirley_Ujest)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2006, 12:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yet-aother-evangelical-christian-leader-bites-the-dust/378963/212 "2006-11-06T12:18:25Z")
[QUOTE=newcrasher] Lefthanded people are evil. [/QUOTE] But good bowlers. We have three lefties on our team this year. One with a 190 average. Yeah, she is evil. ---
**Author:** ![E-Sabbath](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/e19adc/32.png) [@E-Sabbath](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/E-Sabbath)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2006, 12:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yet-aother-evangelical-christian-leader-bites-the-dust/378963/213 "2006-11-06T12:20:19Z")
What do you mean, 80 years ago? Twenty years ago, if that. ---
**Author:** ![Shirley\_Ujest](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/45deac/32.png) [@Shirley\_Ujest](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shirley_Ujest)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2006, 12:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yet-aother-evangelical-christian-leader-bites-the-dust/378963/214 "2006-11-06T12:22:32Z")
The Nuns at Our Lady of Perpetual Guilt tried to cure my left handed brother of his evil ways when he was a lad. He is only 47 and his hand writing is fershit. ---
**Author:** ![monstro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ba9def/32.png) [@monstro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/monstro)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2006, 12:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yet-aother-evangelical-christian-leader-bites-the-dust/378963/215 "2006-11-06T12:36:50Z")
[QUOTE=Tuckerfan] But if we accepted homosexuality, then perhaps he wouldn’t have felt compelled to marry a woman, father kids, and the whole bit. He would have said, “I’m gay, and shacked up with that nice Jewish boy down the street.” [/QUOTE] My original comment was more in general than in regards to just Haggard. I admit I don’t have the biggest libido out there, but I simply don’t get how people are willing to take such big risks for sex. If it’s not the closeted-gays like Haggard having trists with male prostitutes, it’s horny heterosexual middle-managers having sex with their 19-year-old receptionists. Or high school teachers seducing their students on the internet. Or US presidents getting oral sex from their interns. It’s like there’s Viagra in our water supply or something. I’m not saying our attitude towards homosexuality doesn’t lead to situations like Haggard’s, but there are lots of straight guys who are caught in similar acts. What’s their excuse? ---
**Author:** ![Paul\_in\_Qatar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ccd318/32.png) [@Paul\_in\_Qatar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Paul_in_Qatar)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2006, 2:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yet-aother-evangelical-christian-leader-bites-the-dust/378963/216 "2006-11-06T14:34:59Z")
Did someone already mention [Andrew Sullivan’s](http://time.blogs.com/daily_dish/) take on this? (That lad writes real good.) He posts a snippet from the guy’s (presumably) last surmon: “Heavenly Father give us grace and mercy, help us this next week and a half as we go into national elections and Lord we pray for our country. Father we pray lies would be exposed and deception exposed. Father we pray that wisdom would come upon our electorate …” He (Sullivan) also asks, when and why did he ‘decide’ to become gay? ---
**Author:** ![Loopydude](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/e56c9b/32.png) [@Loopydude](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Loopydude)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2006, 2:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yet-aother-evangelical-christian-leader-bites-the-dust/378963/217 "2006-11-06T14:42:41Z")
[QUOTE=Voyager] Don’t laugh - 80 years ago, left handers were forced to try to write right handed. My father was. I’m half-left handed, so I’m semi-sinister I suppose. [/QUOTE] My father was beaten by nuns for using his left hand, and that was roughly 50 years ago, so it was even later than that in some places. He’s fairly ambidextrous, though, so I’m somewhere between a half and a quarter. ---
**Author:** ![Loopydude](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/e56c9b/32.png) [@Loopydude](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Loopydude)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2006, 2:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yet-aother-evangelical-christian-leader-bites-the-dust/378963/218 "2006-11-06T14:44:41Z")
Whoops! Missed **Shirley** ’s post. ---
**Author:** ![David\_Simmons](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/9de053/32.png) [@David\_Simmons](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/David_Simmons)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2006, 2:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yet-aother-evangelical-christian-leader-bites-the-dust/378963/219 "2006-11-06T14:48:19Z")
[QUOTE=Voyager] Don’t laugh - 80 years ago, left handers were forced to try to write right handed. My father was. I’m half-left handed, so I’m semi-sinister I suppose. [/QUOTE] Right. I’m quite sure my wife is left-handed. Everything she was taught to do she does right handed. What she just does, such as handling a shovel, she does left handed. ---
**Author:** ![eleanorigby](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/ee7513/32.png) [@eleanorigby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eleanorigby)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2006, 3:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yet-aother-evangelical-christian-leader-bites-the-dust/378963/220 "2006-11-06T15:10:51Z")
**monstro** -it’s never made any sense to me either., but I think it must be because…they can? I think a lot of public figures start to believe their own publicity and feel that they are entitled to X or Y. Either that or they aren’t as smart as they appear to be… Yay on Hovink–I remember when they announced they were building that “park”. Too bad it’s for taxes and not because he is flat out wrong (but we don’t imprison people for just being wrong, do we…too bad sometimes.) [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yet-aother-evangelical-christian-leader-bites-the-dust/378963.md?page=10) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yet-aother-evangelical-christian-leader-bites-the-dust/378963.md?page=12)