# Yet more Catholic priests are rapists? Oh. Say it ain't so. **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [August 15, 2018, 1:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yet-more-catholic-priests-are-rapists-oh-say-it-aint-so/819624 "2018-08-15T01:02:34Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 7
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2018, 4:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yet-more-catholic-priests-are-rapists-oh-say-it-aint-so/819624/121 "2018-08-19T16:16:02Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > The FBI isn’t in a position where it can investigate a global organization governed by a sovereign state. What do you think they’re going to do - arrest the Pope? The police and the FBI do have the ability to investigate and arrest any of them that are in this country though. And they are starting to do that. So are other countries. It’s about time. The church just covers it up, threatens the kids with excommunication (and hell), and moves the freak to another parish. Or tells him to “pray his sins away”. Enough. They should bust the creeps, and then arrest every monsignor or bishop that covered it up, on conspiracy. ---
**Author:** ![Buck\_Godot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/buck_godot/32/6573_2.png) [@Buck\_Godot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Buck_Godot)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2018, 6:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yet-more-catholic-priests-are-rapists-oh-say-it-aint-so/819624/122 "2018-08-19T18:33:27Z")
> [@Jackmannii](#): > > Why are all you people ragging on the Catholic Church, and not celebrating the fact that the Pope can make tumors vanish with a kiss? > > [Baby with brain tumor improves after kiss from Pope Francis](https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/baby-brain-tumor-underwent-miraculous-recovery-kiss-pope-francis-204550103.html?utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook_KITV) Ah yes, **A KISS FROM THE POPE** and chemotherapy cured this child. Just like **BINGE WATCHING AGENT CARTER SEASON 1** and surgery cured my sliced tendon. ---
**Author:** ![tomndebb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b9e5f3/32.png) [@tomndebb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tomndebb)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2018, 8:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yet-more-catholic-priests-are-rapists-oh-say-it-aint-so/819624/123 "2018-08-19T20:23:02Z")
> [@SteveG1](#): > > The police and the FBI do have the ability to investigate and arrest any of them that are in this country though. And they are starting to do that. So are other countries. > > It’s about time. The church just covers it up, threatens the kids with excommunication (and hell), and moves the freak to another parish. Or tells him to “pray his sins away”. > > Enough. They should bust the creeps, and then arrest every monsignor or bishop that covered it up, on conspiracy. I absolutely agree that any priest or bishop that is involved with child abuse or its cover-up should be handed over to the civil authorities for discipline. I am also in favor of dropping statutes of limitation for sexual crimes or their cover-ups. It is unfortunate that the Grand Jury report seems to be focused on events prior to 2002. I have not found in the Grand Jury report any example of abuse or explicit cover-ups subsequent to the Dallas Convention (2002) during which the U.S. Bishops laid out new rules prohibiting cover-ups and demanding better reporting (and training for abuse recognition). Have the Pennsylvania diocese cleaned up their acts since 2002? Or was there simply a cut-off point for the investigation? I would very much like to know how successful (or unsuccessful) the Dallas convention has been in stopping these activities. (There will always be abusive priests, just as there are abusive ministers, teachers, coaches, and others in positions of authority. However, I hope that institutions have gotten the word that such abuse cannot ever be tolerated or excused.) Given the nature of some bishops, I could see some of them ignoring the Dallas conventions rules, (as they had already ignored a set of rules that were laid out less strongly in the 1980s (1988?)). However, it would also be good to know that the efforts to eliminate that behavior have had some success. ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2018, 3:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yet-more-catholic-priests-are-rapists-oh-say-it-aint-so/819624/124 "2018-08-20T03:14:59Z")
If the Catholic Church had any integrity, it would do what other institutions have done and hire outside consultants to come in and conduct an independent investigation, and then abide by the recommendations of the investigators. Penn State, for example, hired investigators. Other institutions have done the same. When a popular institution such as a school or a household name business engages in misconduct, then the enlightened ones realize that there exists a crisis of credibility. The only way to repair that credibility is to have transparency, which necessarily comes from having an independent investigator come in and conduct a full-on examination. That is the only way that the Catholic Church can have credibility. Anything short of that, and they should be boycotted. If I were a parishioner, I would demand nothing less. ---
**Author:** ![DavidwithanR](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/3bc359/32.png) [@DavidwithanR](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DavidwithanR)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2018, 4:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yet-more-catholic-priests-are-rapists-oh-say-it-aint-so/819624/125 "2018-08-20T04:23:33Z")
> [@RTFirefly](#): > > This is really pretty stupid. You can either _allow_ an institution to investigate itself, or you can _forbid all_ institutions from investigating themselves. There is no excluded middle here, so if you’re against the former, you’re for the latter. > > So you believe no institution should ever investigate itself, that no institution should even have the right to do so. Wow. > > And that’s just at the level of generalities. > > Now take the Roman Catholic Church, which is an international organization with branches in hundreds of countries, and whose HQ is in its very own nation, Vatican City. But the crimes being investigated are (a) less the product of an international conspiracy than of a culture that condoned the crimes in question, and (b) the sorts of crimes that generally fall under the ambit of state law here in the U.S. > > So if the RCC never investigates itself, who exactly is going to do the job? > > We know the answer to this: a state here, a country there, but on the whole, what we get is a piecemeal, patchwork quilt of investigations that expose the RCC’s crimes in some places but not in others. > > Really the RCC is the only organization that can conduct a full and complete investigation. It should have conducted such an investigation starting 15 years ago. The grand jury report from Pennsylvania reminds us once again that it has failed to do so, that it continues to fail to come to terms with its long and widespread history of sexually abusing children and protecting those who committed the abuses. > > This doesn’t mean that if the RCC undertakes an investigation, everyone should implicitly trust the accuracy and thoroughness of its work. Other nations, other states, should do similar investigations to those that Pennsylvania or Chile have done, both because they and not the RCC are the sovereign authorities, and because such further investigations would demonstrate the credibility, or lack of it, of the RCC’s investigation of itself worldwide. I think surprise FBI raids on bishops’ offices and files are exactly the right way to proceed. I think loud knocks on the church door during Mass, and police entering with cuffs ready for the priest, is a reasonable response to this shit. ---
**Author:** ![friedo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/8edcca/32.png) [@friedo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/friedo)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2018, 5:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yet-more-catholic-priests-are-rapists-oh-say-it-aint-so/819624/126 "2018-08-20T05:46:13Z")
> [@nearwildheaven](#): > > It just occurred to me that I don’t think I’ve ever heard of a case of sexual abuse involving a rabbi. I’m sure that people here can prove me wrong. Sexual abuse is rampant in Hassidic communities, and all the same tactics (gaslighting, coverups, moving offenders around, witness intimidation, and shunning) are used to suppress it. [Ultra-Orthodox shun their own for reporting child sexual abuse](https://www.nytimes.com/2012/05/10/nyregion/ultra-orthodox-jews-shun-their-own-for-reporting-child-sexual-abuse.html?pagewanted=all) > [@](#): > > By cooperating with the police, and speaking out about his son’s abuse, Mr. Jungreis, 38, found himself at the painful forefront of an issue roiling his insular Hasidic community. There have been glimmers of change as a small number of ultra-Orthodox Jews, taking on longstanding religious and cultural norms, have begun to report child sexual abuse accusations against members of their own communities. But those who come forward often encounter intense intimidation from their neighbors and from rabbinical authorities, aimed at pressuring them to drop their cases. [Orthodox NYC counselor tried on sexual abuse charges](http://www.startribune.com/printarticle/?id=158357895) > [@](#): > > The abuse went on for nearly three years before the schoolgirl told anyone that her spiritual adviser was molesting her while he was supposed to be mentoring her about her religion, authorities said. > > But in Brooklyn’s ultra-orthodox Jewish community, 53-year-old Nechemya Weberman has been embraced and defended as wrongly accused. The girl has been called a **slut and a troublemaker** , her family **threatened and spat at on** the street. > > The rallying around Weberman, who goes on trial this month, and ostracizing of his accuser and her family reflects long-held beliefs in this insular community that problems should be dealt with from within and that elders have far more authority than the young. It also brought to light allegations that the district attorney was too cozy with powerful rabbis, a charge he vehemently denies. [Ex-Principal Is Convicted of Sex Abuse](https://www.nytimes.com/2012/12/04/nyregion/ex-principal-in-brooklyn-convicted-of-abusing-boys.html) > [@](#): > > The case is among a wave of sexual abuse cases involving Orthodox Jews that the Brooklyn district attorney, Charles J. Hynes, is prosecuting after decades in which such prosecutions were rare… > > In 1996, Mr. Yegutkin began to fondle and engage in oral sex with the 7-year-old son of a family friend, prosecutors said. He also sexually abused the boy’s older brother, and molested them for years, in their home and elsewhere, officials said. In 2008 he showed pornography to a third boy, the jury found. [Ultra-Orthodox Men Charged With Trying to Silence Accuser](https://www.nytimes.com/2012/06/22/nyregion/4-ultra-orthodox-men-charged-with-trying-to-silence-accuser-in-abuse-case.html?pagewanted=all) > [@](#): > > The charges are the first time in at least two decades that Mr. Hynes has charged Hasidic Jews with intimidation of a witness in a sexual abuse case, even though victims, their advocates and prosecutors say intimidation has long been a major obstacle to prosecution of abuse among the ultra-Orthodox. In recent weeks, Mr. Hynes has been saying that **the intimidation of witnesses in the ultra-Orthodox community is worse than in the world of organized crime.** ---
**Author:** ![Cartooniverse](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cartooniverse/32/3084_2.png) [@Cartooniverse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cartooniverse)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2018, 12:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yet-more-catholic-priests-are-rapists-oh-say-it-aint-so/819624/127 "2018-08-20T12:22:25Z")
None of this comes as a surprise. For many years I have lived in Orange County New York in the village of Monroe. I live on a street that is one of several that leads directly into the ultra-orthodox village of Kiryas Joel. If anyone dares to question something being done in the village they are called a Nazi. If it dangerous and substandard and illegally built housing catches fire and someone tries to investigate, they are called a Nazi. If a local reporter does a story verifying the fact that thousands of people living there also have an address in Brooklyn and collect welfare checks from both counties they are called a Nazi. If someone witnessing a clearly abused woman with bruises all over her face and arms and tries to do something about it they are called a Nazi. They control government officials on the state county and local level and bring in thousands of voters who live in Brooklyn but have been registered in Monroe to vote as a block and force their own political agendas. Indeed, they are their own Mafia. ---
**Author:** ![Cartooniverse](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cartooniverse/32/3084_2.png) [@Cartooniverse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cartooniverse)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2018, 12:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yet-more-catholic-priests-are-rapists-oh-say-it-aint-so/819624/128 "2018-08-20T12:42:03Z")
[Their wallets are bigger than their balls.](Catholics skip the collection plate amid ‘moral catastrophe’ of Pennsylvania’ sex abuse cover-up [PressReader.com - Digital Newspaper & Magazine Subscriptions](https://news360.com/article/466964155)) Good tactic. Of course, the RCC owns most of the land in Rome and tons of real estate throughout the world. Still, an empowering gesture for those who know they’re powerless. ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2018, 1:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yet-more-catholic-priests-are-rapists-oh-say-it-aint-so/819624/129 "2018-08-20T13:29:08Z")
> [@Cartooniverse](#): > > [Their wallets are bigger than their balls.](Catholics skip the collection plate amid ‘moral catastrophe’ of Pennsylvania’ sex abuse cover-up [https://news360.com/article/466964155](https://news360.com/article/466964155)) > > Good tactic. Of course, the RCC owns most of the land in Rome and tons of real estate throughout the world. > > Still, an empowering gesture for those who know they’re powerless. [Fixed link.](https://www.marketwatch.com/story/catholics-skip-the-collection-plate-amid-moral-catastrophe-of-pennsylvanias-sex-abuse-cover-up-2018-08-20) ---
**Author:** ![wonky](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wonky/32/393_2.png) [@wonky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wonky)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2018, 1:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yet-more-catholic-priests-are-rapists-oh-say-it-aint-so/819624/130 "2018-08-20T13:33:47Z")
> [@kaylasdad99](#): > > [Fixed link.](https://www.marketwatch.com/story/catholics-skip-the-collection-plate-amid-moral-catastrophe-of-pennsylvanias-sex-abuse-cover-up-2018-08-20) I realize it’s better late than never, but these folks seem to be acting like they never heard of this issue before. And of course, the line that withholding the donation is withholding from someone in need makes me think "Good reason not to make caring for those in need reliant on charitable donations. It’s also grimly funny that some RCC organizations object to telling insurance companies that they don’t offer contraceptives because that would make them complicit in that terrible sin, but it’s okay to pay money to cover up the rape of children. ---
**Author:** ![DesertDog](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/desertdog/32/11503_2.png) [@DesertDog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DesertDog)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2018, 4:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yet-more-catholic-priests-are-rapists-oh-say-it-aint-so/819624/131 "2018-08-20T16:09:58Z")
> [@Thudlow\_Boink](#): > > Well, no, I don’t think you’re right about that. I could point you to [this old thread](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=597108) in which the “three omnis” are discussed, and in particular [**Alan Smithee** ’s excellent Post #6](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=13466442&postcount=6) from that thread. To be honest, that’s one of my snark retorts, fashioned to fit the mind of most True Believers out there. So far as proof is concerned, it isn’t, but another data point to be weighed. > [@](#): > > Or I could point out that it’s an absolutely central tenet to Christianity that the Christian God does and has allowed people to do [evil things.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crucifixion_of_Jesus) But this isn’t just “some” people “some” evil thing. These are people fairly high up in one of His biggest fan clubs inflicting harm on innocent people – also members of the club. Further, other higher up members are okay with this, coming up with the oddest rationalizations to keep the perpetrators out of the hands or the authorities – or _at least_ not shunting them to a place where they can do no further harm. I’m just a dumb human and and certainly not privy to know God’s Plan for this world. Perhaps the torment of these children and the escape from justice of their tormentors is preventing an even greater evil from happening somewhere or even (gasp) causing some great boon to happen. I don’t know; you tell me. But it better be damn good and have a clear link to the evil for me to consider it. Otherwise I’ll just keep my opinion that even if there were such a god, he is not one I could worship. ---
**Author:** ![Cartooniverse](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cartooniverse/32/3084_2.png) [@Cartooniverse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cartooniverse)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2018, 8:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yet-more-catholic-priests-are-rapists-oh-say-it-aint-so/819624/132 "2018-08-20T20:13:42Z")
> [@kaylasdad99](#): > > [Fixed link.](https://www.marketwatch.com/story/catholics-skip-the-collection-plate-amid-moral-catastrophe-of-pennsylvanias-sex-abuse-cover-up-2018-08-20) Whoops!! Thanks ! 😃 ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2018, 9:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yet-more-catholic-priests-are-rapists-oh-say-it-aint-so/819624/133 "2018-08-20T21:25:54Z")
> [@DesertDog](#): > > To be honest, that’s one of my snark retorts, fashioned to fit the mind of most True Believers out there. So far as proof is concerned, it isn’t, but another data point to be weighed.But **this isn’t just “some” people “some” evil thing. These are people fairly high up in one of His biggest fan clubs inflicting harm on innocent people – also members of the club. Further, other higher up members are okay with this, coming up with the oddest rationalizations to keep the perpetrators out of the hands or the authorities** – or _at least_ not shunting them to a place where they can do no further harm. > > I’m just a dumb human and and certainly not privy to know God’s Plan for this world. Perhaps the torment of these children and the escape from justice of their tormentors is preventing an even greater evil from happening somewhere or even (gasp) causing some great boon to happen. I don’t know; you tell me. > > But it better be damn good and have a clear link to the evil for me to consider it. Otherwise I’ll just keep my opinion that even if there were such a god, he is not one I could worship. Well, I already walked away from “the Church”. Let someone else’s donations finance their bullshit. Not mine. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2018, 12:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yet-more-catholic-priests-are-rapists-oh-say-it-aint-so/819624/134 "2018-08-25T12:47:01Z")
Apparently in Ireland, where most of the schools are run by the Catholic Church, [those that are baptized have been getting priority when it comes to school placement.](https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/they-baptized-their-children-for-school-places-now-regret-is-setting-in/ar-BBMpfxy?ocid=spartanntp) 90% of the primary schools are Catholic, and while all are supposedly welcome, those that aren’t of the church have to wait at the back of the school bus for their chance to enroll to get an education, causing non-Catholic parents to baptize their children in hope of getting their children in. ---
**Author:** ![wonky](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wonky/32/393_2.png) [@wonky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wonky)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2018, 2:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yet-more-catholic-priests-are-rapists-oh-say-it-aint-so/819624/135 "2018-08-25T14:01:53Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > Apparently in Ireland, where most of the schools are run by the Catholic Church, [those that are baptized have been getting priority when it comes to school placement.](https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/they-baptized-their-children-for-school-places-now-regret-is-setting-in/ar-BBMpfxy?ocid=spartanntp) 90% of the primary schools are Catholic, and while all are supposedly welcome, those that aren’t of the church have to wait at the back of the school bus for their chance to enroll to get an education, causing non-Catholic parents to baptize their children in hope of getting their children in. That doesn’t sound like extortion. That sounds like prioritizing members over non-members. If there aren’t enough non-denominational schools, seems like Ireland should prioritize that. ---
**Author:** ![andros](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e480ec/32.png) [@andros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/andros)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2018, 2:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yet-more-catholic-priests-are-rapists-oh-say-it-aint-so/819624/136 "2018-08-25T14:56:11Z")
> [@wonky](#): > > That doesn’t sound like extortion. That sounds like prioritizing members over non-members. If there aren’t enough non-denominational schools, seems like Ireland should prioritize that. Dude, read the article. ---
**Author:** ![wonky](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wonky/32/393_2.png) [@wonky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wonky)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2018, 3:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yet-more-catholic-priests-are-rapists-oh-say-it-aint-so/819624/137 "2018-08-25T15:02:40Z")
> [@andros](#): > > Dude, read the article. I did and the thrust of the article was, to me, that the state has not offered sufficient slots in non-denominational schools. For me, the state is to blame for not serving all of its citizens. ETA: To be clear, if there aren’t enough slots, there will be some way of choosing who gets in. None of those methods will be actually fair. The remedy must be to make more slots available. ---
**Author:** ![Cartooniverse](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cartooniverse/32/3084_2.png) [@Cartooniverse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cartooniverse)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2018, 1:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yet-more-catholic-priests-are-rapists-oh-say-it-aint-so/819624/138 "2018-08-28T13:23:38Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > There’s something I haven’t said on this board in almost ten years, and I think this is the best possible time to bring back an old habit. > > Fuck you, **Cartooniverse**. Fuck your disingenuous outrage. Fuck your deliberate distortions of people who disagree with you. Fuck your cowardly, “Oh, I daren’t disagree with a mod!” bullshit. And above all, fuck you for minimizing and dismissing the actual pain of people who have been victimized by pedophile predators with your, “Trust me, they know.” No, you unbearably stupid motherfucker, **we** don’t always know. Fuck you. Fuck you and fuck off. Fuck off and go burn in hell, you fucking cholera-infected shitstain. You fucking failure. You human waste. You vapid cockwart. Fuck you, you fucking sheen of scum from the top of a cesspit. You puss-streaked vaginal discharge. You vomitous reject. You miserable shitfuck. You anal canker sore. Fuck you. Fuck every single dumbfuck thing about you, you moldy cumstain. Fuck you, fuck the pathetic excuse for a mother that spawned you, fuck the diseased testicle that was your father, and if you’ve got any siblings, fuck each and every one of them right in the fucking eye socket. > > You fuck. [Why don’t you think on this for a while?](https://news360.com/article/467978687) ---
**Author:** ![Fenris](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fenris/32/498_2.png) [@Fenris](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fenris)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2018, 3:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yet-more-catholic-priests-are-rapists-oh-say-it-aint-so/819624/139 "2018-08-28T15:41:16Z")
> [@Cartooniverse](#): > > Rule #1: Never argue with a Moderator. > > Rule #2: As a survivor of sexual abuse, nobody- not even a message board Moderator - gets to say I am lying. > > I know what I know. Sorry dude, I think you’re lying through your teeth to make a point rather than saying something that really happened. It was cold so many over the top, hysterical stories over the decades that honestly, I don’t believe a word you say anymore. I believe you said your nephew was raped by a group of secret Mason types. I think you’re the one who said that there was constant Nazi activity in Germany and nobody could walk down the street . I know you’re the one who claimed that [URL="[https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=355044Colin](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=355044Colin) Farrell “child molested “a 17-year-old girl by kissing her in a movie where the actress was playing a young girl – a scecenever actually having happen by the way. So… … Yeah I think you’re full of shit. ---
**Author:** ![Fenris](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fenris/32/498_2.png) [@Fenris](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fenris)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2018, 3:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yet-more-catholic-priests-are-rapists-oh-say-it-aint-so/819624/140 "2018-08-28T15:59:37Z")
> [@Cartooniverse](#): > > Rule #1: Never argue with a Moderator. > > Rule #2: As a survivor of sexual abuse, nobody- not even a message board Moderator - gets to say I am lying. > > I know what I know. Sorry dude, I think you’re lying through your teeth to make a point rather than saying something that really happened. You’ve told so many over-the-top, hysterical stories over the decades that turned out to be outright lies that I dohn’t believe a word you say anymore. I believe you said your [nephew was raped by a group of secret Shriner society](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=324192). I think you’re the one who said that [there was constant Nazi activity in Germany and nobody could walk down the street without being accosted by the SS](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=726360). I know you’re the one who claimed that [Colin Farrell “child molested” a 17-year-old girl by kissing her in a movie where the actress was playing a young girl](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=355044) – a scene which never actually happened in the movie, by the way. And those are just the first three examples that came to mind. There are dozens more (the one about the NRA deliberately trying to murder children comes to mind- where are you so embarrassed yourself that even our most straightened anti-gunners were distancing themselves from you ) So…while I believe we should almost always give the benefit of the doubt to people claiming they are survivors of molestation and child rape, I think you in particular are full of shit. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yet-more-catholic-priests-are-rapists-oh-say-it-aint-so/819624.md?page=6) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yet-more-catholic-priests-are-rapists-oh-say-it-aint-so/819624.md?page=8)