# Yet more Catholic priests are rapists? Oh. Say it ain't so. **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [August 15, 2018, 1:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yet-more-catholic-priests-are-rapists-oh-say-it-aint-so/819624 "2018-08-15T01:02:34Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 8
**Author:** ![Crazy\_Canuck](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crazy_canuck/32/5282_2.png) [@Crazy\_Canuck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Crazy_Canuck)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2018, 5:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yet-more-catholic-priests-are-rapists-oh-say-it-aint-so/819624/141 "2018-08-28T17:59:50Z")
> [@Cartooniverse](#): > > I said that people know that what’s happening to them is wrong while it’s happening. If that was the case, the word “gaslighting” would not exist, you dumb fuck. People convince children that a fat dude in a red suit uses magic to deliver presents from his home at the north pole, and they believe it. Yet somehow, you want to insist that these same children somehow know that (hypothetical) Uncle Cartoonverse’s “special wrestling game” is actually sexual abuse and wrong? How the fuck does that logic work? > [@Cartooniverse](#): > > [Why don’t you think on this for a while?]( > In a Catholic Church where even the pope covers for sexual abuse, everywhere is as bad as Boston [https://news360.com/article/467978687](https://news360.com/article/467978687)) If you are planning on going the coward’s route and posting a one line link instead of actually defending yourself, you just might want to make sure the link works, or you’ll just look like both a fucking idiot AND like a cholera-infected shitstain. [So here’s the corrected link](https://news360.com/article/467978687). I read it, and I don’t think it says what you think it says, but maybe you can convince me that this cite somehow shows you aren’t actually a morally-bankrupt fuckboi. ---
**Author:** ![Derleth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b9e5f3/32.png) [@Derleth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Derleth)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2018, 6:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yet-more-catholic-priests-are-rapists-oh-say-it-aint-so/819624/142 "2018-08-28T18:28:10Z")
> [@Fenris](#): > > [Colin Farrell “child molested” a 17-year-old girl by kissing her in a movie where the actress was playing a young girl](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=355044) **Edited to fix link** Here, fixed the link for you. ---
**Author:** ![Ulfreida](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ulfreida/32/8014_2.png) [@Ulfreida](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ulfreida)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2018, 6:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yet-more-catholic-priests-are-rapists-oh-say-it-aint-so/819624/143 "2018-08-28T18:48:01Z")
> [@Two\_Many\_Cats](#): > > I’m pretty sure straight up calling a poster a moron is against the board rules too. > > This is going to sound strange coming from a faux-sexual like myself, but does anyone doubt that a profession that requires celibacy is going to appeal mostly to screwed up weirdos? Well, not if you were raised in a devout Catholic environment. They may not exist much any more in first-world countries, but there once was a huge amount of honor for you and prestige for your family. Enough to make the sacrifice worthwhile and then some. You might not have sex but you’d have a lot of other things that are hard to come by. You could be saying the same thing about people who join the army in wartime, or choose to stay faithful to a spouse who becomes a cripple or demented. People decide to make difficult, even sacrificial choices all the time. ---
**Author:** ![Ulfreida](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ulfreida/32/8014_2.png) [@Ulfreida](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ulfreida)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2018, 7:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yet-more-catholic-priests-are-rapists-oh-say-it-aint-so/819624/144 "2018-08-28T19:02:36Z")
To me as a Catholic the most interesting thing is the way this new crisis (not much new news to it, since most of the criminals are dead) has suddenly brought into the public arena the secret war which has been going on for many years now between those who wish to liberalize the RCC and those who want everything to return to the 1950’s, the most recent pinnacle of RCC power in the West. We know what the former want, and who they are – most of the rank and file, the majority of nuns, and many parish priests – the powerless, in other words. The latter, however, are a secretive, creepy, and enormously powerful bunch of old white dudes. A hell of a lot of them are gay, because in the old Catholic universe, the priesthood was the one place where male homosexuality could find a secret home. They are the very same people who profess to want to drive sinful homosexuality out of the Church (sound familiar?) These folks are who Pope Francis is up against. When people say, why doesn’t Francis do this and say that, they don’t realize how many bitter enemies he has made in the upper echelons of the hierarchy. He is not just a figurehead, but he is not a dictator either. I will also say that the numerous non and ex Catholics who are ready to disband the Church and hang all the priests are very naive. There are over a billion Catholics. This is one of the largest organizations in the entire world. It’s not going to come apart and disappear because you are outraged. ---
**Author:** ![Cartooniverse](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cartooniverse/32/3084_2.png) [@Cartooniverse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cartooniverse)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2018, 7:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yet-more-catholic-priests-are-rapists-oh-say-it-aint-so/819624/145 "2018-08-28T19:46:22Z")
> [@Fenris](#): > > Sorry dude, I think you’re lying through your teeth to make a point rather than saying something that really happened. You’ve told so many over-the-top, hysterical stories over the decades that turned out to be outright lies that I dohn’t believe a word you say anymore. I believe you said your [nephew was raped by a group of secret Shriner society](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=324192). I think you’re the one who said that [there was constant Nazi activity in Germany and nobody could walk down the street without being accosted by the SS](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=726360). I know you’re the one who claimed that [Colin Farrell “child molested” a 17-year-old girl by kissing her in a movie where the actress was playing a young girl](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=355044) – a scene which never actually happened in the movie, by the way. And those are just the first three examples that came to mind. There are dozens more (the one about the NRA deliberately trying to murder children comes to mind- where are you so embarrassed yourself that even our most straightened anti-gunners were distancing themselves from you ) > > So…while I believe we should almost always give the benefit of the doubt to people claiming they are survivors of molestation and child rape, I think you in particular are full of shit. I’m pleased to address these in order. 1. [DeMolay and Freemason Youth Groups and Sexual Abuse of Minors involved in those groups](http://www.protestantya.com/index.php/freemason) Take your time. There’s a lot of legal cases to pore over. 2. If there are no Nazis or Nazi activity or Nazi symbolism in present-day Germany, well gosh, [why in the world would Germany’s government vote to cut funding to the national Neo-Nazi Party?](https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/germany-ndp-funding-neo-nazi-political-national-democratic-party-afd-a8191611.html) 3. Despite your statement that the young lady actress in question was 17, in fact Q’Orianka Kilcher was age 14 when the scenes were shot. Attorneys for the studio financing the film had concerns that [American child pornography laws had been broken, prompting a re-shooting of the scene still featuring the 14 year-old actress.](https://www.smh.com.au/entertainment/movies/farrells-teen-love-scare-20050131-gdklkj.html) Snip > [@Fenris](#): > > … a scene which never actually happened in the movie, by the way. As a working cinematographer, I can assure you that not every moment filmed on set makes its way into the final cut and then into theaters. While it is an undisputed point of fact that [actor Vic Morrow and two minor Vietnamese children were killed in a helicopter crash](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twilight_Zone_accident) during the filming of “Twilight Zone: The Movie”, there are [multiple angles that clearly shows the decapitation of at least Mr. Morrow that were not used in the film.](https://www.nytimes.com/1986/10/02/us/jury-sees-footage-of-deaths-from-twilight-zone.html) That does not mean it didn’t happen on set. Similarly, a 14 year-old child has faux sex with Colin Farrell. That footage does not get used, for reasons cited above. That doesn’t mean that it did not happen on set. Of course, using your logic, Harvey Weinstein has absolutely nothing to worry about since while he was busy sexually assaulting actresses, there’s no footage of it. Nitwit. :dubious: P.S. Attacking the accusers is as old as the Holy Roman Catholic Church. It surprises me not one bit that you’re engaging in it here. By all means, deflect all attention from the rapists priests. It’s what people like you need to do. Otherwise, how the fuck would you be able to sleep at night. Hmm? P.P.S. Don’t shit on The Shriners. They’re an offshoot of Freemasons and are not the same entity. ---
**Author:** ![Cartooniverse](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cartooniverse/32/3084_2.png) [@Cartooniverse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cartooniverse)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2018, 7:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yet-more-catholic-priests-are-rapists-oh-say-it-aint-so/819624/146 "2018-08-28T19:50:30Z")
\*\* Added note \*\* the link on the Freemasons and sexual abuse cases includes cases NOT focused on DeMolay. I in no way am asserting that all cases in that link are connected to Freemasons or DeMolay. Simply showing cite of a few. There are more, if we really have to go down this road. ---
**Author:** ![Fenris](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fenris/32/498_2.png) [@Fenris](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fenris)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2018, 8:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yet-more-catholic-priests-are-rapists-oh-say-it-aint-so/819624/147 "2018-08-28T20:18:42Z")
> [@Cartooniverse](#): > > I’m pleased to address these in order. > > 1. [DeMolay and Freemason Youth Groups and Sexual Abuse of Minors involved in those groups](http://www.protestantya.com/index.php/freemason) Take your time. There’s a lot of legal cases to pore over. > > 2. If there are no Nazis or Nazi activity or Nazi symbolism in present-day Germany, well gosh, [why in the world would Germany’s government vote to cut funding to the national Neo-Nazi Party?](https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/germany-ndp-funding-neo-nazi-political-national-democratic-party-afd-a8191611.html) > > 3. Despite your statement that the young lady actress in question was 17, in fact Q’Orianka Kilcher was age 14 when the scenes were shot. Attorneys for the studio financing the film had concerns that [American child pornography laws had been broken, prompting a re-shooting of the scene still featuring the 14 year-old actress.](https://www.smh.com.au/entertainment/movies/farrells-teen-love-scare-20050131-gdklkj.html) > > Snip As a working cinematographer, I can assure you that not every moment filmed on set makes its way into the final cut and then into theaters. While it is an undisputed point of fact that [actor Vic Morrow and two minor Vietnamese children were killed in a helicopter crash](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twilight_Zone_accident) during the filming of “Twilight Zone: The Movie”, there are [multiple angles that clearly shows the decapitation of at least Mr. Morrow that were not used in the film.](https://www.nytimes.com/1986/10/02/us/jury-sees-footage-of-deaths-from-twilight-zone.html) > > That does not mean it didn’t happen on set. Similarly, a 14 year-old child has faux sex with Colin Farrell. That footage does not get used, for reasons cited above. That doesn’t mean that it did not happen on set. Of course, using your logic, Harvey Weinstein has absolutely nothing to worry about since while he was busy sexually assaulting actresses, there’s no footage of it. > > Nitwit. :dubious: > > P.S. Attacking the accusers is as old as the Holy Roman Catholic Church. It surprises me not one bit that you’re engaging in it here. By all means, deflect all attention from the rapists priests. It’s what people like you need to do. > > Otherwise, how the fuck would you be able to sleep at night. Hmm? > > P.P.S. Don’t shit on The Shriners. They’re an offshoot of Freemasons and are not the same entity. Hey retard, I never said those things don’t happen to anyone , I said they didn’t happen to you because you’re a lying liar who is filled with lies. Your alleged nephew – if you have one – was never molested, the rampant Nazism Do you expect to encounter in Germany never occurred, no pre-team which is what you claimed was raped in that Colin Farrell movie. And you were never molested either despite you pulling that out of your ass just now to try and win the argument. Also, why would I “need” to defend the Catholic Church and pedophile priests – who real and disgusting and should be put to death? I’m a Jew and have no particular love for the Catholic Church. You, on the other hand, are an oozing sore Who makes every place you go and everything you come in contact with a little less clean ---
**Author:** ![Fenris](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fenris/32/498_2.png) [@Fenris](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fenris)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2018, 8:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yet-more-catholic-priests-are-rapists-oh-say-it-aint-so/819624/148 "2018-08-28T20:22:07Z")
> [@Cartooniverse](#): > > \*\* Added note \*\* the link on the Freemasons and sexual abuse cases includes cases NOT focused on DeMolay. I in no way am asserting that all cases in that link are connected to Freemasons or DeMolay. Simply showing cite of a few. > > There are more, if we really have to go down this road. Again, the claim is that your “nephew” was abused, Not that child rapists exist. Will y’all stipulate the second part, but the first part are simply more of your hysterical lies. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2018, 8:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yet-more-catholic-priests-are-rapists-oh-say-it-aint-so/819624/149 "2018-08-28T20:26:46Z")
> [@Cartooniverse](#): > > [Why don’t you think on this for a while?](https://news360.com/article/467978687) You unbelievably stupid dip shit, I’m not objecting to calling the Catholic Church out for being a den of fucking depravity. I’m calling you out on spreading fucking lies about how survivors of sexual abuse recall it. Posting more links describing the awfulness of the Catholic Church does not, in anyway, rebut my observation that you’re a dishonest moron who’s spreading damaging lies about sexual assault survivors. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2018, 8:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yet-more-catholic-priests-are-rapists-oh-say-it-aint-so/819624/150 "2018-08-28T20:33:47Z")
Did you know that I flew a 747 from Seattle to New York last week? [Here’s my proof.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing_747) ---
**Author:** ![casdave](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/c6cbf5/32.png) [@casdave](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/casdave)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2018, 9:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yet-more-catholic-priests-are-rapists-oh-say-it-aint-so/819624/151 "2018-08-28T21:02:40Z")
RCC will not gain any credibility from the Pope’s message of concern. The absolute only way it will regain its authority is to ensure that all complaints are immediately directed to the Police and keep the heck away from becoming part of the investigation - except as a source of information for the police. RCC should never ever investigate any claims whatsoever, and only when police activity has ceased should it then concern itself with the impact of the behavior of its practitioners upon its reputation, and then it should consider its own internal disciplinary procedures for the abusers. ---
**Author:** ![casdave](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/c6cbf5/32.png) [@casdave](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/casdave)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2018, 9:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yet-more-catholic-priests-are-rapists-oh-say-it-aint-so/819624/152 "2018-08-28T21:12:01Z")
\*\* Ulfrieda\*\* You are mistakenly conflating the word ‘Gay’ with pedophile, if a pedophile prefers children of their own gender then they are pedophiles, not gay. I accept that this is an easy mistake to slide into, however I am sure that gay members of these boards would be rightly offended at this association, our gay community suffers enough stereotyping as it is. Being gay is not a criminal offense because this involved informed and competent consent, pedophilia is a crime - since it is rape. ---
**Author:** ![An\_Gadai](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/d6d6ee/32.png) [@An\_Gadai](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/An_Gadai)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2018, 9:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yet-more-catholic-priests-are-rapists-oh-say-it-aint-so/819624/153 "2018-08-28T21:46:01Z")
> [@Ulfreida](#): > > I will also say that the numerous non and ex Catholics who are ready to disband the Church and hang all the priests are very naive. There are over a billion Catholics. This is one of the largest organizations in the entire world. It’s not going to come apart and disappear because you are outraged. I agree that it is not about to disappear but it has amazed me with recent events in Ireland where Pope Francis visited and turn out was paltry. To be clear, I wasn’t amazed turn out was paltry, more that the state and the media thought that this was going to be an event on a par with Pope John Paul II’s visit in 1979 where by most accounts every able bodied Catholic on this island went to see him. The Phoenix Park in Dublin was set up for 500,000 attendees on Sunday, fewer than 150,000, maybe as low as 110,00 turned out. Inside a generation the Catholic Church has gone from unquestionably the most or at least 2nd most powerful organisation in Ireland to a minority pursuit and this is largely because of its inability to address sexual and other abuse within its various operations on this island. ---
**Author:** ![Crazy\_Canuck](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crazy_canuck/32/5282_2.png) [@Crazy\_Canuck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Crazy_Canuck)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2018, 9:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yet-more-catholic-priests-are-rapists-oh-say-it-aint-so/819624/154 "2018-08-28T21:56:31Z")
> [@casdave](#): > > \*\* Ulfrieda\*\*Being gay is not a criminal offense because this involved informed and competent consent, pedophilia is a crime - since it is rape. If you are going to pedantically correct other posters, you might actually want to make sure you are right. Pedophilia is not a crime, it is an illness. It is an illness that may cause someone to commit the crime of child sexual abuse. Those two things are separate, and I feel it is important to keep them that way. Why should anyone care about that, when it’s pretty much agreed that pedophiles are yucky as hell and are objectively the absolutely worst? Well, if the goal is to protect children from harm, (as it should be) then I believe we should stop stigmatizing pedophilia per se and focus that stigmatizing on those who actually sexually abuse children for whatever reason, whether they happen to be pedophiles or not. You see, I’d rather that pedophiles get treatment for their condition. That will never happen in our current social climate due to legitimate fears of mob violence just for disclosing their condition. ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2018, 10:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yet-more-catholic-priests-are-rapists-oh-say-it-aint-so/819624/155 "2018-08-28T22:41:35Z")
> [@Crazy\_Canuck](#): > > I believe we should stop stigmatizing pedophilia per se Um, WTF? While yeah, I’m all for saying pedophiles should get help, I don’t think we should stop stimatizing the concept. There’s a damned good reason it’s stigmatized. We stigmatize psychopathy too – doesn’t mean we don’t urge sociopaths to get help. :dubious: ---
**Author:** ![Fenris](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fenris/32/498_2.png) [@Fenris](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fenris)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2018, 11:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yet-more-catholic-priests-are-rapists-oh-say-it-aint-so/819624/156 "2018-08-28T23:40:44Z")
People, this hatred toward pedo Catholic priests is all well and good and I certainly support it, but let’s not forget what this thread is about: c people, this hatred toward pedal Catholic priests is all well and good and I certainly support it, but let’s not forget what this thread is about: Cartooniverse, the yak-feltching liar who sucks wet farts out of dead pigeons. ---
**Author:** ![andros](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e480ec/32.png) [@andros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/andros)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2018, 12:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yet-more-catholic-priests-are-rapists-oh-say-it-aint-so/819624/157 "2018-08-29T00:06:50Z")
> [@Guinastasia](#): > > Um, WTF? While yeah, I’m all for saying pedophiles should get help, I don’t think we should stop stimatizing the concept. There’s a damned good reason it’s stigmatized. We stigmatize psychopathy too – doesn’t mean we don’t urge sociopaths to get help. > > :dubious: We shouldn’t stigmatize mental disorders of any stripe, IMO. Behaviors, yes. Illness, no. ---
**Author:** ![Derleth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b9e5f3/32.png) [@Derleth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Derleth)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2018, 4:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yet-more-catholic-priests-are-rapists-oh-say-it-aint-so/819624/158 "2018-08-29T04:55:01Z")
> [@Guinastasia](#): > > We stigmatize psychopathy too – doesn’t mean we don’t urge sociopaths to get help. We can recognize something as a disease without saying people who suffer from that disease are horrible people. That’s all “not stigmatizing” means here. And, to emphasize, the difference between being a pedophile and being a child molester is the difference between being a pyromaniac and being an arsonist, or being a kleptomaniac and being a thief: One is obsession, the other is completed action. We must remove those who make it from obsession to action from society by means of the criminal justice system, but we don’t need to do that to people who see their obsession as a disease and seek treatment instead of indulging it. ---
**Author:** ![Nava](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/da6949/32.png) [@Nava](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nava)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2018, 5:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yet-more-catholic-priests-are-rapists-oh-say-it-aint-so/819624/159 "2018-08-29T05:31:30Z")
Being a molester is wrong, period. Molesting children is worse, but someone can be of adult age and still be dependent, considered a legal imbecile, or living in a time and place where complaining that they were sexually assaulted or raped will get them assaulted further, treated as whores, kicked out of their homes or institutionalized. With the exception of a few people who really should get their heads checked, we don’t stigmatize being heterosexual, but these conversations focus so much on the “child abuser” fraction that you’d think it’s the only kind going on. ---
**Author:** ![andros](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e480ec/32.png) [@andros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/andros)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2018, 12:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yet-more-catholic-priests-are-rapists-oh-say-it-aint-so/819624/160 "2018-08-29T12:51:10Z")
FYI, the current term of art in English is “developmentally disabled” rather than “imbecile.” And you make an excellent point. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yet-more-catholic-priests-are-rapists-oh-say-it-aint-so/819624.md?page=7) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yet-more-catholic-priests-are-rapists-oh-say-it-aint-so/819624.md?page=9)