# Yo, Chas.E, I'm going to say it right out: **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [October 16, 2001, 3:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yo-chas-e-im-going-to-say-it-right-out/87642 "2001-10-16T03:17:49Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Kamino\_Neko](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kamino_neko/32/34_2.png) [@Kamino\_Neko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kamino_Neko)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2001, 3:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yo-chas-e-im-going-to-say-it-right-out/87642/1 "2001-10-16T03:17:49Z")
[You’re a liar.](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?threadid=92022) Unlike the ever-patient Czarcasm (How’s that for a phrase you don’t expect to hear every day?), I’m no longer willing to give you the benifit of the doubt and assume your friends pulled a quick one on you and never bothered to let you in on the gag. One you said that the creators of record weren’t, you crossed from ‘wrong’ into ‘liar’ in my books. I don’t think these two ‘aging hippies’ in Los Angeles exist. I think you made them up. What possible motive you might have is not entirely clear to me, but I can no longer credit you with simple ignorance. This is willful and malicious mistruth on your part, and I’m fucking sick of it. Go bugger yourself with an Energon cube. ---
**Author:** ![woodstockbirdybird](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/woodstockbirdybird/32/7905_2.png) [@woodstockbirdybird](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/woodstockbirdybird)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2001, 3:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yo-chas-e-im-going-to-say-it-right-out/87642/2 "2001-10-16T03:41:18Z")
Why do you think he’s lying, **Tengu**? I personally know a bag lady who’s damn near a hermit (the government’s trying to monitor her thoughts, see, so she’s gotta keep changing her name and whereabouts and staying away from public places), and she invented “The Simpsons”. Matt Groening is one of her clever psedonyms, and she’s hired an actor to play his part for appearances and press junkets. I can’t wait 'til she kicks off and leaves me her vast fortune. ---
**Author:** ![waterj2](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/858c86/32.png) [@waterj2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/waterj2)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2001, 3:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yo-chas-e-im-going-to-say-it-right-out/87642/3 "2001-10-16T03:43:02Z")
Personally, I find it amusing that he insults you for believing what you read on Usenet (after being shown several non-Usenet sources for the same inforamtion) while at the same time expecting you to believe him, when all he offers is the unverifiable vague claim of one anonymous individual over the internet. Then again, in **Chas.E** ’s world, he’s a reliable source of information, and an expert in all manner of things, and no one should have any reason to disagree with him. ---
**Author:** ![woodstockbirdybird](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/woodstockbirdybird/32/7905_2.png) [@woodstockbirdybird](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/woodstockbirdybird)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2001, 3:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yo-chas-e-im-going-to-say-it-right-out/87642/4 "2001-10-16T03:43:24Z")
or “pseudonyms”, whatever. ---
**Author:** ![Kamino\_Neko](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kamino_neko/32/34_2.png) [@Kamino\_Neko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kamino_Neko)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2001, 3:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yo-chas-e-im-going-to-say-it-right-out/87642/5 "2001-10-16T03:59:57Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by waterj2 \* > **Personally, I find it amusing that he insults you for believing what you read on Usenet (after being shown several non-Usenet sources for the same inforamtion) while at the same time expecting you to believe him, when all he offers is the unverifiable vague claim of one anonymous individual over the internet.** Oh, yeah, I should have mentioned that part in the rant, too. (Although I did mention it in the post asking for the apology that is still outstanding.) Don’t forget that he doesn’t even offer their names to allow for a little independant verification, but just says it wasn’t Shooter, O’Niel, Mantlo, or Macchio. Way to out-reliable Usenet, there, bub. (And, LOL, Bird.) ---
**Author:** ![Duck\_Duck\_Goose](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/50afbb/32.png) [@Duck\_Duck\_Goose](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Duck_Duck_Goose)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2001, 4:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yo-chas-e-im-going-to-say-it-right-out/87642/6 "2001-10-16T04:33:48Z")
Ah, thank you, Tengu, for pointing me towards a thread that I might have otherwise ignored. LMAO! Especially the part about “if I told you their real names, I’d have to kill you”… > [@](#): > > Nope, the creator’s names you cited are wrong, and you’ll get no cites on the real creator’s names coming from me. These guys are notorious reclusive hermits. They don’t want any comic geeks showing up on their doorstep… ---
**Author:** ![Monster104](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c6cbf5/32.png) [@Monster104](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monster104)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2001, 4:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yo-chas-e-im-going-to-say-it-right-out/87642/7 "2001-10-16T04:42:45Z")
…the ticker’s bust, and I’ve lost count of the tally… I think this is fourth or fifth of the recent ones… **Tengu** : My advice is, don’t get too into it. It’s not worth it. **Chas.E** can cause a lot of problems, being the asshole that he is… ---
**Author:** ![Pyrrho12](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/b2d939/32.png) [@Pyrrho12](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pyrrho12)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2001, 11:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yo-chas-e-im-going-to-say-it-right-out/87642/8 "2001-10-16T11:58:04Z")
My official prediction: **Chas** will start by claiming that everyone is ganging up on him. He may accuse the people who have already posted to this thread of belonging to the SDMB clique, or of being the victims of groupthink. He may or may not compare himself to a historic figure. Specific questions and complaints directed at **Chas** will not be answered. In response he may ignore the questions completely, claim “I already explained that” when in fact he hasn’t, claim that he is being unfairly attacked, or (and I think this one is the most likely) post inflammatory and poorly-worded jibberish which is only tangentially related to the questions/complaints being discussed. After a short time, when no-one has stepped foreward to agree with **Chas** , he will make one last post to this thread. Everyone who disagreed with him will be accused of ignorance, stupidity, and/or deceitfulness. He will assert one more time that only he knows the full truth of whatever it is that we’re discussing, but since we’ve pissed him off he is no longer willing to share his bountiful knowledge. He may compare himself to another historic figure. He will claim that it is useless to try to talk to any of us since we are all part of the clique/hivemind, or since we are too young to understand, or since we use Windows PCs, or since we watch different television programs from him, or since we just simply refuse to believe everything he says. He will claim to have “won” this thread through some kind of spurious logic, then tell us that he is taking his ball and bat and going home. It’s neat. I’ve known wind-up toys with a greater range of behavioral patterns than **Chas.E**. Maybe **Chas** will suprise me, and not perform in exactly the way I have outlined above… Maybe he will take this chance to discuss things rationally, eloquently demonstrating his points with logic and evidence. By the end of the day he and **Tengu** could well be fast friends. I give ten to one odds against any of that happening. ---
**Author:** ![Spritle](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/5daacb/32.png) [@Spritle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spritle)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2001, 12:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yo-chas-e-im-going-to-say-it-right-out/87642/9 "2001-10-16T12:10:28Z")
So I open this thread and read the OP. Oh boy, what has **Chas** done now? Let’s check it out. Then I open the related thread. It’s a discussion about Transformers. [sub]hee hee hee hee hee[/sub] ---
**Author:** ![Anonymous\_Coward](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/94ad74/32.png) [@Anonymous\_Coward](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Anonymous_Coward)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2001, 12:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yo-chas-e-im-going-to-say-it-right-out/87642/10 "2001-10-16T12:44:56Z")
From [this post](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?postid=1461579) **Chas.E** claims > [@](#): > > Harmless? Sometime I’ll tell you the lengthy story about the obsessed otaku who started sending me death threats because I had the nerve to inform him his favorite “Japanese” manga was written by a couple of aging hippies in Los Angeles (I knew them personally). I had to call the police to get him off my back. Unless I have my definitions all mixed up, I don’t think the US Transformers cartoon show is considered manga. Unless these are two completely different aging hippies? ---
**Author:** ![Pyrrho12](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/b2d939/32.png) [@Pyrrho12](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pyrrho12)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2001, 12:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yo-chas-e-im-going-to-say-it-right-out/87642/11 "2001-10-16T12:58:56Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Spritle \* > It’s a discussion about Transformers. > \*\* Yes, but it’s a discussion about Transformers that **could have cost Chas his life!!!** Come on, get yer priorities straight here… 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Tars\_Tarkas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/6a8cbe/32.png) [@Tars\_Tarkas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tars_Tarkas)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2001, 3:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yo-chas-e-im-going-to-say-it-right-out/87642/12 "2001-10-16T15:35:25Z")
Don’t you see, those two “aging hippies” control the world’s nerd supply! Soon, they will organize us nerds, geeks, and otakus into a mighty army and take over the internet, all in the name of faster porn downloads… ---
**Author:** ![UncleBeer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/977dab/32.png) [@UncleBeer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/UncleBeer)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2001, 4:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yo-chas-e-im-going-to-say-it-right-out/87642/13 "2001-10-16T16:36:01Z")
> [@](#): > > My advice is, don’t get too into it. It’s not worth it. Chas.E can cause a lot of problems, being the asshole that he is… God **dammit**! I coulda swore you’d been told _more_ than once\* to knock it off with the potshots at Chas, just as he’s been told to knock it off, too. Allow me to quote a small portion of the admonishment I wrote to **both** of you. Please make special note of the underlined portions. One more single outburst from you and you’re outta here. Period. End of fucking story. > [@](#): > > We demand that you gentlemen stop sniping at each other on our message board. Since none of you seem to be able to control your tempers, our stern advice is that you simply ignore each other on the topic of operating systems, if not on all topics. All of you are beginning to appear childishly petulant for protracting a rather insignificant debate in such an inflammatory manner. We do not care who started it, where it started, or who thinks they are most wronged. Each of you will desist immediately. You will also refrain from making offhand derogatory comments about any of the disputants in any other thread on the SDMB. Is there anything at all unclear about this? ---
**Author:** ![Jack\_Batty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jack_batty/32/3201_2.png) [@Jack\_Batty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jack_Batty)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2001, 5:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yo-chas-e-im-going-to-say-it-right-out/87642/14 "2001-10-16T17:33:24Z")
I really don’t give a rat-turd about **Chas.E** , I haven’t thought Transformers since, well, ever, and I wouldn’t care if they were invented by Cheech and Chong. I just wanted to post in here to make sure I’m included in “The Clique”. When do I get my decoder ring? ---
**Author:** ![Demise](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/34f0e0/32.png) [@Demise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Demise)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2001, 6:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yo-chas-e-im-going-to-say-it-right-out/87642/15 "2001-10-16T18:20:27Z")
That’s ok **Monster** , there are plenty of people who know that **Chas** is an asshole. Don’t worry that no one will point it out. ---
**Author:** ![Kamino\_Neko](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kamino_neko/32/34_2.png) [@Kamino\_Neko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kamino_Neko)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2001, 2:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yo-chas-e-im-going-to-say-it-right-out/87642/16 "2001-10-17T02:27:33Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Anonymous Coward \* > \*\*Unless I have my definitions all mixed up, I don’t think the US Transformers cartoon show is considered manga. Unless these are two completely different aging hippies? \*\* Well, other than the fact that the terminology is mixed up (manga is comic books, anime is animation), there are some who are under the impression that Transformers was Japanese created, and even those that know the truth are willing to give it a ‘pass’ because it hit Japan pretty quickly. On the other hand, Transformers was created by Hasbro Toys, then fleshed out by Jim Shooter and Denny O’Niel, so beyond that, Chas’s comment is still full of shit. ---
**Author:** ![Kamino\_Neko](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kamino_neko/32/34_2.png) [@Kamino\_Neko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kamino_Neko)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2001, 2:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yo-chas-e-im-going-to-say-it-right-out/87642/17 "2001-10-17T02:29:40Z")
That should read ‘and **many** of those that know the truth are willing to give it a “pass”’… Carry on. ---
**Author:** ![Jester](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jester/32/8223_2.png) [@Jester](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jester)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2001, 3:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yo-chas-e-im-going-to-say-it-right-out/87642/18 "2001-10-17T03:01:52Z")
> [@](#): > > That’s what happens when you work in the graphic arts industry and know the people personally. And you know what? The people who produce these comics are utterly contemptuous of their audience, they hate anyone who would be stupid enough to buy their dumb products. To them, it’s all a big joke, at your expense. But they like the money. I liked the money too. I love this. I honestly think that this is my new favorite quote ever. Chas is approaching JDT levels here. Because everybody knows that drawing graphic novels and comics is such a lucrative industry. :rolleyes: [sub]Aside: how is Chas a graphic artist now? I thought he was studying Asian society or some such thing last time we chatted.[/sub] ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2001, 4:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yo-chas-e-im-going-to-say-it-right-out/87642/19 "2001-10-17T04:08:58Z")
Soo, how many jobs has **Chas** had, anyway? I’ve seen [photographer,](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?threadid=82431) [Japanese language instructor,](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?threadid=82431) and [screenwriter.](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?threadid=80503) Now he’s a graphic artist? Can’t this guy keep a job for more than a week? Although, to be fair, he does apologize for inflicting _Spaceballs_ on us. ---
**Author:** ![Myrr21](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Myrr21](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Myrr21)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2001, 4:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yo-chas-e-im-going-to-say-it-right-out/87642/20 "2001-10-17T04:38:17Z")
Hey, I know the current writer of a popular Image book\*! I hang out with him all the time (he lives with me). So let me tell you about the _real_ origins of Transformers; this information is 43 levels above the President [sub]thank you, Warren Ellis[/sub], so I’m going to write it in code: Scuba-flooba wa. Scooba-fleeba zibbow. [sub]\*well, he _may_ have the book, pending approval from the editor…[/sub] [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yo-chas-e-im-going-to-say-it-right-out/87642.md?page=2)