# Yo, Terminator! Take your nazi-sounding voice back to Austria! **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [February 21, 2004, 5:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yo-terminator-take-your-nazi-sounding-voice-back-to-austria/230390 "2004-02-21T17:42:05Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![nisosbar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/c37758/32.png) [@nisosbar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/nisosbar)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2004, 5:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yo-terminator-take-your-nazi-sounding-voice-back-to-austria/230390/1 "2004-02-21T17:42:05Z")
Gay marriage is a threat to the “social order.” :rolleyes: Well, my papers are in order - does that make it okay? :mad: ---
**Author:** ![Ilsa\_Lund](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/a6a055/32.png) [@Ilsa\_Lund](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ilsa_Lund)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2004, 5:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yo-terminator-take-your-nazi-sounding-voice-back-to-austria/230390/2 "2004-02-21T17:44:55Z")
Dude, I think that a little more effort in fleshing out your Pit threads is in order… ---
**Author:** ![schplebordnik](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/91b2a8/32.png) [@schplebordnik](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/schplebordnik)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2004, 5:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yo-terminator-take-your-nazi-sounding-voice-back-to-austria/230390/3 "2004-02-21T17:46:06Z")
> [@nisosbar](#): > > Take your nazi-sounding voice back to Austria! Nice comment there. Wonder what your reaction would be if someone would have asked you about your “gay-sounding voice”? ---
**Author:** ![nisosbar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/c37758/32.png) [@nisosbar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/nisosbar)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2004, 5:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yo-terminator-take-your-nazi-sounding-voice-back-to-austria/230390/4 "2004-02-21T17:53:56Z")
> [@Ilsa\_Lund](#): > > Dude, I think that a little more effort in fleshing out your Pit threads is in order… You don’t read the news? > [@](#): > > Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger has ordered California’s top legal official to act immediately to stop the city of San Francisco granting marriage licences to same-sex couples. > > Mr Schwarzenegger wrote to Attorney-General Bill Lockyer telling him to take legal action to stop the city from granting marriage licences to gay couples, saying the practice presented a “risk to civil order”. > **[Same-sex marriages a risk to civil order: Schwarzenegger](https://www.theage.com.au/world/same-sex-marriages-a-risk-to-civil-order-schwarzenegger-20040222-gdxcvq.html)** And yo, Ilsa, it’s the Pit - when you are upset about something, you aren’t going to flesh things out like in GD. ---
**Author:** ![Ilsa\_Lund](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/a6a055/32.png) [@Ilsa\_Lund](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ilsa_Lund)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2004, 5:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yo-terminator-take-your-nazi-sounding-voice-back-to-austria/230390/5 "2004-02-21T17:59:51Z")
I knew what you were talking about, I just thought that this was a lame pitting. Even lamer than some of mine.😛 ---
**Author:** ![nisosbar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/c37758/32.png) [@nisosbar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/nisosbar)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2004, 6:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yo-terminator-take-your-nazi-sounding-voice-back-to-austria/230390/6 "2004-02-21T18:05:20Z")
> [@Ilsa\_Lund](#): > > I knew what you were talking about, I just thought that this was a lame pitting. Even lamer than some of mine.😛 😃 LOL I suppose you’re right. A cheap shot which was too easy. LOL. sigh. I’m just too damn nice. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Revtim](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/revtim/32/1042_2.png) [@Revtim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Revtim)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2004, 6:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yo-terminator-take-your-nazi-sounding-voice-back-to-austria/230390/7 "2004-02-21T18:12:05Z")
I’m as much for gay marriage as probably anybody, but I agree with Arny that granting licenses that are clearly against state law is a “risk to civil order”. I want gays to be able to marry, but I want the rule of law even more. I think this probably hurts the gay marriage cause more than it helps. Of course, Arny might mean that gay marriage itself is a “risk to civil order”, which I don’t agree with. ---
**Author:** ![Ilsa\_Lund](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/a6a055/32.png) [@Ilsa\_Lund](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ilsa_Lund)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2004, 6:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yo-terminator-take-your-nazi-sounding-voice-back-to-austria/230390/8 "2004-02-21T18:13:32Z")
> [@nisosbar](#): > > 😃 LOL > > I suppose you’re right. A cheap shot which was too easy. LOL. > > sigh. I’m just too damn nice. 😉 Yes. This is how you Pit someone: > [@](#): > > Hey, Arnold! What the fuck is wrong with you, you motherfucking musclebound mumpsimus? Did all that anabolic steroid use addle your pea-brian so much that you are completely fucking senile, or are you just a bigoted asshole? > > I’m surprised that you even grasp the concept of “order” beyond not doing cardio and lifting within eight hours of each other. Drag your slackjawed ass back to Austria, where you can be a fascist in peace without bothering us. For homework, compose a pitting for something that you do not feel strongly about, just as an exercise. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![schplebordnik](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/91b2a8/32.png) [@schplebordnik](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/schplebordnik)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2004, 6:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yo-terminator-take-your-nazi-sounding-voice-back-to-austria/230390/9 "2004-02-21T18:31:12Z")
> [@nisosbar](#): > > [http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2004/02/21/1077072890947.html](http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2004/02/21/1077072890947.html). \*In his letter to the Attorney-General, Mr Schwarzenegger said: “Because the city and county of San Francisco’s actions \*\*are directly contrary to state law \*\* and present an imminent risk to civil order, **I hereby direct you to take immediate steps to obtain a definitive judicial resolution of this controversy.** ” \* So Arnie is saying that the risk to order is a city official violating state law. And he’s telling the Attorney General to get judicial resolution – not to “stop these gay marriages from ever happening” – sound to me like he’s being pretty sensible here. Basically saying that it needs to be resolved whether the state law prevents what the mayor is doing, and more than likely, whether the state law is constitional in the first place. Some Nazi, that Arnold. Telling government officials they must enforce laws passed by the majority of the citizens… ---
**Author:** ![Already\_in\_Use](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/a9adbd/32.png) [@Already\_in\_Use](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Already_in_Use)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2004, 8:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yo-terminator-take-your-nazi-sounding-voice-back-to-austria/230390/10 "2004-02-21T20:22:40Z")
> [@Ilsa\_Lund](#): > > mumpsimus This is in fact the correct pronunciation of “MPSIMS.” ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2004, 10:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yo-terminator-take-your-nazi-sounding-voice-back-to-austria/230390/11 "2004-02-21T22:44:27Z")
Don’t you just love the response the Governator got back from the Attorney General’s office? “The governor cannot direct the Attorney General.” said Hallye Jordan(Spokeswoman for Attorney General Bill Lockyer), “he can direct the highway patrol. He can direct Terminator 4. But he can’t tell the attorney general what to do.” 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Truth\_Seeker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/5fc32e/32.png) [@Truth\_Seeker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Truth_Seeker)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2004, 1:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yo-terminator-take-your-nazi-sounding-voice-back-to-austria/230390/12 "2004-02-22T01:18:31Z")
I don’t really love her response, no. I think it’s because Ms. Jordan appears to be a partisan moron who ought to be booted to the street so hard she bounces. In the U.S., as head of the executive branch, the Governor is really the state’s chief law enforcement officer. It is ultimately his or her responsibility to see that the laws are faithfully executed. In this constitutional scheme, the attorney general is, in effect, the Governor’s lawyer. In other words, you bet the Governor can, within the limits of the law, tell the Attorney General what to do, just like any client can give directions to his attorney. Ms. Jordan seems to have the hazy idea that this is some sort of separation of powers issue. It’s not – both the Governor and the Attorney General are members of the executive branch and the Governor’s in charge. Bill Lockyer is not his own client. **Nisobar** , you’re zero for two with these threads lately. Lots of reasonable people strongly object to what’s going on in SF and it’s got nothing to do with their feelings about gay marriage. What’s going on there is quite simply wrong and Schwarzenegger is right to want it stopped. There are ways to go about these things and that’s not it. The rule of law is too important. Indeed, it’s much more important than _any_ one issue, no matter how strongly you personally might feel about it. At a bare minimum, it’s going to cause immense confusion and chaos if and when these things are declared invalid. San Francisco should have done what it ultimately did, which was file a lawsuit. The Nazi thing is also completely out of bounds. You ought to apologize. ---
**Author:** ![Jurhael](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/cab0a1/32.png) [@Jurhael](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jurhael)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2004, 3:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yo-terminator-take-your-nazi-sounding-voice-back-to-austria/230390/13 "2004-02-22T03:04:51Z")
Isn’t the law against gay marriage injust though? It infringes on the rights of same sexed couples. How can this be a law worthy of following? I understand what some of you are saying, especially since it is equally possible that a county in Vermont could say that gay marriage is now illegal, but worshipping the “rule of law” no matter what isn’t going to do gay marriage proponents any good. > [@](#): > > San Francisco should have done what it ultimately did, which was file a lawsuit. Would it do any good? ---
**Author:** ![Apos](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/838e76/32.png) [@Apos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Apos)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2004, 4:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yo-terminator-take-your-nazi-sounding-voice-back-to-austria/230390/14 "2004-02-22T04:27:15Z")
Arnie is doing the right thing, though it’s not clear that he DOES have direct authority over the AG in Cali: I just don’t know enough about their constitution to say. I would be a little more defensive of Arnold, however, if he hadn’t laughingly and smilingly made the announcement in front a cheering crowd who’s interests likely go a bit beyond mere concern about civil order and the respect for law. ---
**Author:** ![gobear](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/8dc957/32.png) [@gobear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gobear)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2004, 5:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yo-terminator-take-your-nazi-sounding-voice-back-to-austria/230390/15 "2004-02-22T05:35:27Z")
> [@](#): > > There are ways to go about these things and that’s not it. The rule of law is too important. Indeed, it’s much more important than any one issue, no matter how strongly you personally might feel about it Up to a point, my lord. Civil disobedience as a protest tactic has a long and honorable history, from Thoreau serving a night in jail because he refused to pay his poll tax as a protest against the Mexican War to the suffragettes chaining themselves to the railings of the White House fence to demonstrate their resolve to win the right to vote. The only difference in this instance is that the civil disobedience has the backing of the city of San Francisco. The entire purpose of civil disobedience is to use moral authority to provoke a response from the oppressor; the gay couples getting married have been entirely succesful in getting this subject raised in the national consciousness. A parallel to this scenario was the reaction of Northern cities in defying the Fugitve Slave Act of 1850. Entire municipalities defied this Federal law and refused to assist the legal owners of runaway slaves in recapturing their property. If it was morally right to disobey an unjust law then, explain why it’s so wrong now. ---
**Author:** ![Apos](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/838e76/32.png) [@Apos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Apos)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2004, 5:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yo-terminator-take-your-nazi-sounding-voice-back-to-austria/230390/16 "2004-02-22T05:59:21Z")
Doesn’t civil disobedience usually involve, well citizens? In this case, it was a government official, charged with a duty to, when acting in his capacity as a holder of public office, to uphold the law. Now, I appreciate his point that he is torn by two duties: to act as he believes the equal protection clause demands AND to uphold the “dicks in chicks” law. But nevertheless, his disobedience is not civil: it’s governmental. ---
**Author:** ![Tars\_Tarkas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/6a8cbe/32.png) [@Tars\_Tarkas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tars_Tarkas)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2004, 6:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yo-terminator-take-your-nazi-sounding-voice-back-to-austria/230390/17 "2004-02-22T06:40:08Z")
I’m waiting for him to send in the troops to stop the marriages, so when i participate in the riots, i can truely say i Raged Against the Machine! (cuz he’s a cyborg and all) ---
**Author:** ![Arturius](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ecc23a/32.png) [@Arturius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Arturius)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2004, 7:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yo-terminator-take-your-nazi-sounding-voice-back-to-austria/230390/18 "2004-02-22T07:14:37Z")
Funny how people are anti arnie because hes a body builder Coming from a heavy gym buff, it takes DRIVE and PERSEVERANCE to do what he does/did. You guys are insane if you dont want those qualities in a politician. ---
**Author:** ![Tim\_T-Bonham.net](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/46a35a/32.png) [@Tim\_T-Bonham.net](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tim_T-Bonham.net)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2004, 7:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yo-terminator-take-your-nazi-sounding-voice-back-to-austria/230390/19 "2004-02-22T07:27:25Z")
> [@Truth Seeker](#): > > I don’t really love her response, no. I think it’s because Ms. Jordan appears to be a partisan moron who ought to be booted to the street so hard she bounces. > > In the U.S., as head of the executive branch, the Governor is really the state’s chief law enforcement officer. It is ultimately his or her responsibility to see that the laws are faithfully executed. Not according to what I read in the California Constitution: > [@](#): > > the Attorney General shall be the chief law officer of the State. It > shall be the duty of the Attorney General to see that the laws of the > State are uniformly and adequately enforced. The Attorney General > shall have direct supervision over every district attorney and > sheriff and over such other law enforcement officers as may be > designated by law, in all matters pertaining to the duties of their > respective offices, and may require any of said officers to make > reports concerning the investigation, detection, prosecution, and > punishment of crime in their respective jurisdictions as to the > Attorney General may seem advisable. Whenever in the opinion of the > Attorney General any law of the State is not being adequately > enforced in any county, it shall be the duty of the Attorney General > to prosecute any violations of law of which the superior court shall > have jurisdiction, and in such cases the Attorney General shall have > all the powers of a district attorney. When required by the public > interest or directed by the Governor, the Attorney General shall > assist any district attorney in the discharge of the duties of that > office. ---
**Author:** ![Road\_Rash](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/a8b319/32.png) [@Road\_Rash](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Road_Rash)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2004, 7:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yo-terminator-take-your-nazi-sounding-voice-back-to-austria/230390/20 "2004-02-22T07:47:49Z")
> [@Apos](#): > > Doesn’t civil disobedience usually involve, well citizens? In this case, it was a government official, charged with a duty to, when acting in his capacity as a holder of public office, to uphold the law. > > Now, I appreciate his point that he is torn by two duties: to act as he believes the equal protection clause demands AND to uphold the “dicks in chicks” law. But nevertheless, his disobedience is not civil: it’s governmental. What about the people getting married? They are the “citizens” that are involved in the civil disobedience. The mayor of San Francisco is also a citizen as well. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yo-terminator-take-your-nazi-sounding-voice-back-to-austria/230390.md?page=2)