# Yoo-hoo, Bible Man? Can you step over here for a minute? Thanks! **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [September 28, 2006, 5:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yoo-hoo-bible-man-can-you-step-over-here-for-a-minute-thanks/374471 "2006-09-28T05:16:17Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skald_the_Rhymer)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2006, 5:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yoo-hoo-bible-man-can-you-step-over-here-for-a-minute-thanks/374471/1 "2006-09-28T05:16:17Z")
'Ello, **Bible Man**. How are you doing this evening? You’re doing well, I hope. Want a pop or a cup of hot joe or a sandwich? Please help yourself. I asked you in because I was hoping we might discuss your posts in [this thread on whether non-Christians are doomed to hell in the view of Christians](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=388539). I haven’t posted too much in that thread myself, as I haven’t a dog in that fight, but some of your arguments seem, well, arrogant to me. Now, admittedly, I am sometimes a bit arrogant myself, as anybody who’s read my no-longer-amusing-even-to-me rants on Peter Jackson and Dan Brown can tell youl; so in a sense I’m definitely the naked man in a glass house throwing stones at Mary Magdalene. But I like to think that the things I’m arrogant about are trivial. The things you are arrogant about are not. Your insistence that your interpretation of the Bible is the only one with even a muon of correctness in it is so cocksure it should be crowing at dawn. You refuse to note when your opponents make valid points. You insist that the only persons to whom the Holy Spirit ever communicates are yourself and persons whose opinions mesh exactly with yours. You make errors of logic so flagrant that Captain Kirk could use there mere mention of your name to sabotage androids. This is not good witnessing, **Bible Man**. Humility is supposed to be a prime virtue of Christians, but there is very little in your posts that indicates any familiarity with that trait. I suspect that your haughty insistence that you have a monopoly on “the Truth” (to say nothing of your obscurantist bibliolatry), does nothing to bring people to Jesus. The only persons you impress are persons who already agree with you; while persons who might be wavering are more likely to be repelled by your mendacity and obscurantism. Remember that verse in Job when God asks the hapless protagonist where he was when God laid the foundations of the Earth? Job wasn’t there – and neither were you. Stop acting as if you were. Ciao! ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2006, 9:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yoo-hoo-bible-man-can-you-step-over-here-for-a-minute-thanks/374471/2 "2006-09-28T09:46:40Z")
Wow. Just…wow. Bible Man. You have exactly zero idea of: [list=a][li]the Bible actually says.[/li][li]What the verses you’re referencing actually refer to.[/li]What you’re talking about.[/list] ---
**Author:** ![Don\_t\_Call\_Me\_Shirley](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/f4b2a3/32.png) [@Don\_t\_Call\_Me\_Shirley](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Don_t_Call_Me_Shirley)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2006, 11:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yoo-hoo-bible-man-can-you-step-over-here-for-a-minute-thanks/374471/3 "2006-09-28T11:45:54Z")
> [@](#): > > You make errors of logic so flagrant that Captain Kirk could use there mere mention of your name to sabotage androids. That’s awesome. I love it. And yeah, Bible Man, you’re a total tool. The fact that morons like you seem to be getting more powerful is really, really scary. ---
**Author:** ![tomndebb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b9e5f3/32.png) [@tomndebb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tomndebb)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2006, 11:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yoo-hoo-bible-man-can-you-step-over-here-for-a-minute-thanks/374471/4 "2006-09-28T11:54:33Z")
You guys do realize, I hope, that you are going to get exactly no traction from this thread, right? ---
**Author:** ![Biggirl](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biggirl/32/3294_2.png) [@Biggirl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biggirl)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2006, 12:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yoo-hoo-bible-man-can-you-step-over-here-for-a-minute-thanks/374471/5 "2006-09-28T12:01:34Z")
[QUOTE=tomndebb] You guys do realize, I hope, that you are going to get exactly no traction from this thread, right? [/QUOTE] Who needs traction when we have gems like the one quoted below to keep us amused? > [@](#): > > Now, admittedly, I am sometimes a bit arrogant myself, as anybody who’s read my no-longer-amusing-even-to-me rants on Peter Jackson and Dan Brown can tell youl; so in a sense I’m definitely the naked man in a glass house throwing stones at Mary Magdalene. ---
**Author:** ![Don\_t\_Call\_Me\_Shirley](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/f4b2a3/32.png) [@Don\_t\_Call\_Me\_Shirley](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Don_t_Call_Me_Shirley)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2006, 12:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yoo-hoo-bible-man-can-you-step-over-here-for-a-minute-thanks/374471/6 "2006-09-28T12:21:48Z")
[QUOTE=tomndebb] You guys do realize, I hope, that you are going to get exactly no traction from this thread, right? [/QUOTE] Obviously. I mostly wanted to comment on the Captain Kirk analogy, which I thought was hilarious. ---
**Author:** ![Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skald_the_Rhymer)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2006, 12:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yoo-hoo-bible-man-can-you-step-over-here-for-a-minute-thanks/374471/7 "2006-09-28T12:34:56Z")
[QUOTE=tomndebb] You guys do realize, I hope, that you are going to get exactly no traction from this thread, right? [/QUOTE] The true purpose of a Pit thread is not to change the Pitee, **tomndebb**. That never works. It is to vent one’s own irritation and to amuse the villagers. 'Sides, my last such thread, about Bible Man’s atheist twin brother, got enough traction for both. ---
**Author:** ![Bosda\_Di\_Chi\_of\_Tricor](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bosda_di_chi_of_tricor/32/16845_2.png) [@Bosda\_Di\_Chi\_of\_Tricor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bosda_Di_Chi_of_Tricor)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2006, 12:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yoo-hoo-bible-man-can-you-step-over-here-for-a-minute-thanks/374471/8 "2006-09-28T12:46:18Z")
Ya know, that Thread is six pages long. It ain’t worth tunneling through just to hoot at an idiot. I’ll say that again, in a funny accent, so **Skald** will understand: Ya know, dot Thread iz six pages long. It hain’t vorth tunnelink through jusht to hoot at an eediot. ---
**Author:** ![Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skald_the_Rhymer)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2006, 12:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yoo-hoo-bible-man-can-you-step-over-here-for-a-minute-thanks/374471/9 "2006-09-28T12:47:05Z")
[QUOTE=Bosda Di’Chi of Tricor] Ya know, that Thread is six pages long. It ain’t worth tunneling through just to hoot at an idiot. I’ll say that again, in a funny accent, so **Skald** will understand: Ya know, dot Thread iz six pages long. It hain’t vorth tunnelink through jusht to hoot at an eediot. [/QUOTE] That thread is ---
**Author:** ![Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skald_the_Rhymer)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2006, 12:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yoo-hoo-bible-man-can-you-step-over-here-for-a-minute-thanks/374471/10 "2006-09-28T12:49:14Z")
[QUOTE=Bosda Di’Chi of Tricor] Ya know, that Thread is six pages long. It ain’t worth tunneling through just to hoot at an idiot. I’ll say that again, in a funny accent, so **Skald** will understand: Ya know, dot Thread iz six pages long. It hain’t vorth tunnelink through jusht to hoot at an eediot. [/QUOTE] That thread is WAY more than six pages long. I was going to request that it be closed days back, but it’s morphed into a discussion on the ontological arguments for theism, albeit one with a lot of people cradling guns under their jackets. Anywhistle, people seem to be enjoying themselves, so I figured asking that it be closed when I don’t much care is uppity. ---
**Author:** ![the\_PC\_apeman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ac8455/32.png) [@the\_PC\_apeman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/the_PC_apeman)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2006, 1:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yoo-hoo-bible-man-can-you-step-over-here-for-a-minute-thanks/374471/11 "2006-09-28T13:09:40Z")
**Skald the Equal Opportunity Pitter** : First the obnixious athiest **BadChad** and now obnoxious bible-thumper **Bible Man**. Hmm. What’s the common thread here? Keep up the good work, **Skald**. ---
**Author:** ![Stalky](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b782af/32.png) [@Stalky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stalky)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2006, 1:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yoo-hoo-bible-man-can-you-step-over-here-for-a-minute-thanks/374471/12 "2006-09-28T13:23:23Z")
Agreed. It’s without question that this pitting is a manifestation of the Truth. We should all seek to find the Truth that it may lead us in feild of daisies and all that. Bible Man is an obfusifatory moron, who is particularly good at circlular arguments and avoiding clear debate. He doesn’t effectively separate the scripture he is quoting from his own opinions, sometimes making it hard to tell where Jesus stops and opinion begins. Probably because he thinks that his mind is a part of the bloody canon. At least Badchad had the sense not to tangle with him for a prolonged period of time. Had those two “debating” styles become entangled it might have destroyed us all in the mutual annihilation. ---
**Author:** ![Mangetout](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mangetout/32/19_2.png) [@Mangetout](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mangetout)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2006, 1:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yoo-hoo-bible-man-can-you-step-over-here-for-a-minute-thanks/374471/13 "2006-09-28T13:28:29Z")
It used to be partiotism, but the _last refuge of a scoundrel_ has moved! The last refuge of a scoundrel is now located at _ending your arguments with “and if you don’t agree with that, God’s gonna kick your ass”_. ---
**Author:** ![the\_PC\_apeman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ac8455/32.png) [@the\_PC\_apeman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/the_PC_apeman)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2006, 1:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yoo-hoo-bible-man-can-you-step-over-here-for-a-minute-thanks/374471/14 "2006-09-28T13:37:13Z")
I would also like to point out that an "obnixious athiest " is roughly equivalent to an obnoxious atheist. Why do I post pre-caffeine? ---
**Author:** ![Lissa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/85f322/32.png) [@Lissa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lissa)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2006, 2:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yoo-hoo-bible-man-can-you-step-over-here-for-a-minute-thanks/374471/15 "2006-09-28T14:01:59Z")
[QUOTE=Skald the Rhymer] 'You insist that the only persons to whom the Holy Spirit ever communicates are yourself and persons whose opinions mesh exactly with yours. [/QUOTE] Henry VIII once said, “God and my conscience are perfectly agreed.” In a sense, I’ve always had a bit of envy towards folks with that sort of attitude. It must be enormously comforting to know that you’re always right, to never have to second-guess your actions. ---
**Author:** ![Mangetout](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mangetout/32/19_2.png) [@Mangetout](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mangetout)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2006, 2:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yoo-hoo-bible-man-can-you-step-over-here-for-a-minute-thanks/374471/16 "2006-09-28T14:23:31Z")
[QUOTE=Lissa] In a sense, I’ve always had a bit of envy towards folks with that sort of attitude. It must be enormously comforting to know that you’re always right, to never have to second-guess your actions. [/QUOTE] You’d think so, wouldn’t you. Speaking from a little experience of this particular arena, it’s actually quite wretched; you have to continually fabricate rationalisations as to why the real world doesn’t conform to your description of it. Miserable. ---
**Author:** ![Anaamika](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Anaamika](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Anaamika)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2006, 2:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yoo-hoo-bible-man-can-you-step-over-here-for-a-minute-thanks/374471/17 "2006-09-28T14:23:33Z")
[QUOTE=Skald the Rhymer] That thread is WAY more than six pages long. I was going to request that it be closed days back, but it’s morphed into a discussion on the ontological arguments for theism, albeit one with a lot of people cradling guns under their jackets. Anywhistle, people seem to be enjoying themselves, so I figured asking that it be closed when I don’t much care is uppity. [/QUOTE] I think his point was - could you link to some of his posts? Because I sure as hell won’t read six pages of what Christians think (or more likely, don’t think) of me as an atheist. So…please? More specific linky-poos? ---
**Author:** ![CurtC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ce73a5/32.png) [@CurtC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CurtC)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2006, 2:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yoo-hoo-bible-man-can-you-step-over-here-for-a-minute-thanks/374471/18 "2006-09-28T14:25:15Z")
[QUOTE=Mangetout] It used to be partiotism, but the _last refuge of a scoundrel_ has moved! [/QUOTE] It moved a while ago: this is from 1990: > [@](#): > > Bart: [praying] Well, old timer, I guess this is the end of the road. I know I haven’t always been a good kid, but, if I have to go to school tomorrow, I’ll fail the test and be held back. I just need one more day to study, Lord. I need Your help! > > Lisa: [watching] Prayer… the last refuge of a scoundrel. > > Bart: A teachers strike, a power failure, a blizzard… Anything that’ll cancel school tomorrow. I know it’s asking a lot, but if anyone can do it, You can! Thanking You in advance, Your pal, Bart Simpson. ---
**Author:** ![EddyTeddyFreddy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eddyteddyfreddy/32/18796_2.png) [@EddyTeddyFreddy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EddyTeddyFreddy)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2006, 2:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yoo-hoo-bible-man-can-you-step-over-here-for-a-minute-thanks/374471/19 "2006-09-28T14:58:41Z")
[QUOTE=Lissa] In a sense, I’ve always had a bit of envy towards folks with that sort of attitude. It must be enormously comforting to know that you’re always right, to never have to second-guess your actions. [/QUOTE] So it’ll be one helluva shock when those folks arrive before the Throne for their accountability moment, doncha think? ---
**Author:** ![Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skald_the_Rhymer)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2006, 2:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yoo-hoo-bible-man-can-you-step-over-here-for-a-minute-thanks/374471/20 "2006-09-28T14:59:04Z")
[QUOTE=ThePCapeman] Skald the Equal Opportunity Pitter: First the obnixious athiest BadChad and now obnoxious bible-thumper Bible Man. Hmm. What’s the common thread here? [/QUOTE] Protectionism, of course. I’m supposed to be the obnoxious one. 😃 [QUOTE=Anaamika] I think his point was - could you link to some of his posts? Because I sure as hell won’t read six pages of what Christians think (or more likely, don’t think) of me as an atheist. So…please? More specific linky-poos? [/QUOTE] What makes you think I know how to link to a specific post? I can barely turn the computer on & off without electrocuting myself. Also, I stupidly thought thought Bosca was referring to my pitting of badchad, not the thread I linked to in my OP. But anyway, Anaamika, since it’s you, check out this post of Bible Man’s: > [@](#): > > Yes, I faintly remember you losing this argument a while back. As I recall, along the way you sadly demonstrated a complete ignorance of what the Bible actually stated about a host of subjects, while making numerous unsuported assertions about what you thought it contained. You made unsupported claims about inconsistencies, errors, and contradictions that were in it (just like your latest post) and you accepted no proof or explanation which proved your accusations and assertions to be completely false. At one time when you were proven wrong, you even argued that I shouldn’t use proofs from the Bible to prove or disprove anything because it was an unreliable book a priori (!). At times you appealed to non-biblical sources (like Josephus) to bolster your wild opinions, and when I pointed out areas where they themselves supported and verified the accounts written in the Bible, you then claimed that those accounts had been falsified and inserted later (by some nefarious Christians I suppose). > Your arguments therefore, completely lacked integrity and factual accuracy; many of your sources were completely spurious and even when using the reliable ones, you didn’t hesitate to impeach them whenever it suited you. One of your posts had so many false statements about what the Bible contained that I proposed to the moderators that a limit should be made to number of errors that should be allowed a member to post at one time - just one of your incorrect assertions was so exponentially wrong that it challenged even the math bloggers that dropped in. In short, if that was indeed you that lost that argument (I sure hope you weren’t the guy), then there’s not a reason I can think of for me or anyone else to waste time discussing any subject with you, much less a subject about Truth and Integrity. Been there, done that, movin’ on now… or this one > [@](#): > > Errors in doctrine are generated because people (and denominations) fail to consider the entire Bible before declaring something to be true. This is one of those topics in which certain scriptures are pulled out of context and used to support mistaken ideas ie, that one can only be saved by responding to the Gospel. Romans chapter 1 and 2 deals directly with the issue and clearly teaches that men are judged by how they respond to whatever light has been given to them. If they have been given God’s Law they are judged according to their response (Rom2:12), if they’ve heard nothing about the Law or Christ then they are judged according to their conscience (Rom1:19). > Concerning the doctrine of hell, the Bible teaches that it is a place of destruction not a place of eternal conscious torment (Matthew10:28). The torment experienced by the rich man (Luke 16:24) is not physical ( his body is on earth). His torment is that all the things that he chose to satisfy himself on earth are now gone and there is no future for him in God’s kingdom - only certain judgment and destruction await him on the last day. He chose to be satisfied with the temporary things of the world instead of the eternal things of God and will suffer the loss of all. > Concerning purgatory, that is a concept which the Catholic church created during it’s time of promoting the sale of indulgences and is not supported by the scriptures. He’s not obnoxious in the sense of being crude or overtly insulting; it’s the obscurantist attitude that vexes me. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yoo-hoo-bible-man-can-you-step-over-here-for-a-minute-thanks/374471.md?page=2)