# You are dead, Iceman. NOW BURN IN HELL! **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [March 7, 2006, 3:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-are-dead-iceman-now-burn-in-hell/347381 "2006-03-07T15:33:41Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Ludovic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ab992/32.png) [@Ludovic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ludovic)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2006, 10:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-are-dead-iceman-now-burn-in-hell/347381/21 "2006-03-07T22:23:44Z")
They call him the Iceman. That’s what his temperature is. Ice Cold. No Pulse. ---
**Author:** ![deevee](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/57b2e6/32.png) [@deevee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/deevee)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2006, 3:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-are-dead-iceman-now-burn-in-hell/347381/22 "2006-03-08T03:16:27Z")
> [@Ludovic](#): > > They call him the Iceman. That’s what his temperature is. Ice Cold. No Pulse. Although his demeanor was psychopathically cold, his sobriquet “the iceman” came from a murder where he put the corpse on ice for a year, then dumped it hoping to confuse the coroner as to the time of death. His plan was foiled when the body was discovered before it was fully thawed. Another Kuklinski Klassic was disposing of a corpse under the bed in a seedy New Jersey motel. The room was rented out something like four times before someone complained of the stench and the corpse was found. ---
**Author:** ![joyfool](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/df788c/32.png) [@joyfool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/joyfool)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2006, 3:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-are-dead-iceman-now-burn-in-hell/347381/23 "2006-03-08T03:48:22Z")
> [@Miss Purl McKnittington](#): > > So, not a Pit thread about Top Gun, then. Damn it **Miss Purl**! That’s where I thought this was headed too… that **Annie** took issue with Val Kilmer’s choices in early movie roles. I think I’m a bit disappointed that it’s not. ☹ (Yeah, I really, really _did_ hate that film and Mr. Cruise should be ‘iced.’) ---
**Author:** ![SkipMagic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skipmagic/32/20706_2.png) [@SkipMagic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SkipMagic)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2006, 4:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-are-dead-iceman-now-burn-in-hell/347381/24 "2006-03-08T04:04:17Z")
> [@adam yax](#): > > I know this is the pit, but I feel compelled to fight this ignorance. Otzi, if that is his real name, was actually carrying a fire starting kit. His name was Billy, and he didn’t start the fire. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2006, 4:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-are-dead-iceman-now-burn-in-hell/347381/25 "2006-03-08T04:10:49Z")
Sure, now that Bobby Drake’s lost his mutant powers, you feel safe pitting him. ---
**Author:** ![Mollie\_Magill](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mollie_magill/32/20882_2.png) [@Mollie\_Magill](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mollie_Magill)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2006, 1:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-are-dead-iceman-now-burn-in-hell/347381/26 "2006-03-08T13:13:20Z")
> [@Little Nemo](#): > > Sure, now that Bobby Drake’s lost his mutant powers, you feel safe pitting him. Thank you. That was my first thought, too. ---
**Author:** ![Greathouse](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/greathouse/32/2992_2.png) [@Greathouse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Greathouse)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2006, 2:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-are-dead-iceman-now-burn-in-hell/347381/27 "2006-03-08T14:47:28Z")
> [@SkipMagic](#): > > His name was Billy, and he didn’t start the fire. Seriously, someone throw a dumbass a link, please. I have no fucking clue what in the hell any of these side jokes are about. ---
**Author:** ![Bosda\_Di\_Chi\_of\_Tricor](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bosda_di_chi_of_tricor/32/16845_2.png) [@Bosda\_Di\_Chi\_of\_Tricor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bosda_Di_Chi_of_Tricor)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2006, 2:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-are-dead-iceman-now-burn-in-hell/347381/28 "2006-03-08T14:51:35Z")
> [@Greathouse](#): > > Seriously, someone throw a dumbass a link, please. I have no fucking clue what in the hell any of these side jokes are about. Ahem [http://www2.msstate.edu/~els4/](http://www2.msstate.edu/~els4/) Enjoy the dissertation. ---
**Author:** ![Bosda\_Di\_Chi\_of\_Tricor](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bosda_di_chi_of_tricor/32/16845_2.png) [@Bosda\_Di\_Chi\_of\_Tricor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bosda_Di_Chi_of_Tricor)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2006, 2:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-are-dead-iceman-now-burn-in-hell/347381/29 "2006-03-08T14:52:45Z")
Oh yes, this too. [http://www2.msstate.edu/~els4/lyrics.html](http://www2.msstate.edu/~els4/lyrics.html) ---
**Author:** ![gigi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/a587f6/32.png) [@gigi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gigi)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2006, 3:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-are-dead-iceman-now-burn-in-hell/347381/30 "2006-03-08T15:57:31Z")
> [@deevee](#): > > Although his demeanor was psychopathically cold, his sobriquet “the iceman” came from a murder where he put the corpse on ice for a year, then dumped it hoping to confuse the coroner as to the time of death. His plan was foiled when the body was discovered before it was fully thawed. Ah…yet another Law & Order plot based on real events. ---
**Author:** ![Jackmannii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackmannii/32/311_2.png) [@Jackmannii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackmannii)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2006, 4:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-are-dead-iceman-now-burn-in-hell/347381/31 "2006-03-08T16:09:06Z")
A Google search on “iceman” turns up [this interesting site](http://www.mummytombs.com/mummylocator/featured/otzi.adventures.htm) featuring a fun hobby. Great pix. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Long\_Road](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b5a626/32.png) [@The\_Long\_Road](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Long_Road)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2006, 2:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-are-dead-iceman-now-burn-in-hell/347381/32 "2006-03-09T02:47:00Z")
> [@duffer](#): > > I may need some clarification on his victims. If you’ve read Pileggi’s book Wiseguy, (\*GoodFellas[i/] was based on it), Jimmy Burke and Tommy DeSimone were the muscle. The guys they killed weren’t exactly angels. The deaths disrupted many innocents, but those killed knew what they were getting into for the most part. > > That said, I can’t automatically sympathize with some of the victims. But overall I agree he’s burning in hell. The only drawback is the info he takes with him to indict and convict the other criminals. Take it for what it’s worth. He didn’t kill people just as hits. Basically, if you were involved in any sort of illegal activity with him, you died. He worked hard to cover up his tracks. What brought him down in the end was that he worked too hard to cover his tracks. As the deaths kept piling up, they all had one thing in common, association with Kuklinski. I don’t believe that everyone he killed was a criminal but can’t state it for fact till I do some more research. It’s been awhile since the HBO documentaries on him. He once brought a victim out into the woods to be killed. When the man started to pray, Kuklinski told him he had 30 minutes. If God came down and changed things he would live, otherwise Kuklinski would kill him. 30 minutes went by with no miracle so Kuklinski killed him. He admitted it to be the only killing he regretted. ---
**Author:** ![Kythereia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/e8c25b/32.png) [@Kythereia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kythereia)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2006, 6:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-are-dead-iceman-now-burn-in-hell/347381/33 "2006-03-09T06:32:28Z")
> [@Little Nemo](#): > > Sure, now that Bobby Drake’s lost his mutant powers, you feel safe pitting him. What? What are you talking about? There’s no such thing as _House of M_ or _Decimation_, lalalala… _walks away with fingers in ears_ ---
**Author:** ![Balduran](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/cc9497/32.png) [@Balduran](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Balduran)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2006, 2:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-are-dead-iceman-now-burn-in-hell/347381/34 "2006-03-09T14:51:16Z")
Jeez guys, have some decorum. Don’t you think it’s a little too soon to be mocking Otzi? ---
**Author:** ![UncleRojelio](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/unclerojelio/32/3160_2.png) [@UncleRojelio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/UncleRojelio)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2006, 3:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-are-dead-iceman-now-burn-in-hell/347381/35 "2006-03-09T15:23:28Z")
Hey! He didn’t ask to be thawed out and then displayed in a zoo exhibit. Now you guys have to pit him!!! You are all going straight to hell. ---
**Author:** ![clairobscur](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/839c29/32.png) [@clairobscur](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/clairobscur)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2006, 12:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-are-dead-iceman-now-burn-in-hell/347381/36 "2006-03-10T00:36:16Z")
> [@Terrifel](#): > > Hey, Otzi! You suck! News flash, moron: some of your contemporaries have been experimenting with a radical new technology known as “fire.” Maybe you’ve heard of it? It helps prevent you from getting frozen in a fucking glacier. > . Nope. The radical new technology he was victim of was called a “bow”. ---
**Author:** ![deevee](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/57b2e6/32.png) [@deevee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/deevee)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2006, 3:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-are-dead-iceman-now-burn-in-hell/347381/37 "2006-03-10T03:06:23Z")
Otzi might not have been the sharpest arrow in the quiver but I’m sure even he could have outrun a glacier. ---
**Author:** ![Ludovic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ab992/32.png) [@Ludovic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ludovic)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2006, 3:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-are-dead-iceman-now-burn-in-hell/347381/38 "2006-03-10T03:15:29Z")
Now that he’s dead, though, at least we know the world is a bit safer from STD’s caused by burst condoms. Unless he goes to a Rolling Stones concert. ---
**Author:** ![Ike\_Witt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ike_witt/32/283_2.png) [@Ike\_Witt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ike_Witt)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2006, 3:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-are-dead-iceman-now-burn-in-hell/347381/39 "2006-03-10T15:26:36Z")
> [@deevee](#): > > Otzi might not have been the sharpest arrow in the quiver but I’m sure even he could have outrun a glacier. He was already dead when the glacier engulfed his body. ---
**Author:** ![UncleRojelio](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/unclerojelio/32/3160_2.png) [@UncleRojelio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/UncleRojelio)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2006, 3:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-are-dead-iceman-now-burn-in-hell/347381/40 "2006-03-10T15:34:01Z")
> [@clairobscur](#): > > Nope. The radical new technology he was victim of was called a “bow”. I thought it was a helicopter. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-are-dead-iceman-now-burn-in-hell/347381.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-are-dead-iceman-now-burn-in-hell/347381.md?page=3)