# You Beat your Dogs 2 Months Ago Because You’re Frustrated with Them, so You Adopt Another Dog **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [August 3, 2010, 7:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-beat-your-dogs-2-months-ago-because-you-re-frustrated-with-them-so-you-adopt-another-dog/549041 "2010-08-03T19:39:19Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 15
**Author:** ![curlcoat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ea5d25/32.png) [@curlcoat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/curlcoat)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2010, 4:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-beat-your-dogs-2-months-ago-because-you-re-frustrated-with-them-so-you-adopt-another-dog/549041/281 "2010-08-09T04:19:24Z")
> [@Freudian\_Slit](#): > > **curlcoat** , you don’t think it’s strange that the only one who’s treating their pets like anything even resembling human like fur-babies is probably **PapSett**? And that for all our snark, she’s the only one who’s actually tried to emotionally manipulate anyone? > > Kay! Just checking. Again, I am not really addressing **Papsett’s** situation per se, I am addressing the typical idiotic pile on that happens in the Pit. As for emotional manipulation, you would have to be subject to it to see it. The furbaby reference is for those who rush to defend animals that don’t need it, or in this case probably don’t since I don’t believe that **Papsett** is actually beating her pets. ---
**Author:** ![DiosaBellissima](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a8b319/32.png) [@DiosaBellissima](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DiosaBellissima)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2010, 4:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-beat-your-dogs-2-months-ago-because-you-re-frustrated-with-them-so-you-adopt-another-dog/549041/282 "2010-08-09T04:25:21Z")
> [@curlcoat](#): > > Again, I am not really addressing **Papsett’s** situation per se, I am addressing the typical idiotic pile on that happens in the Pit. As for emotional manipulation, you would have to be subject to it to see it. Alright, so you’ve got me interested. If Papsett is having trouble with her animals acting out, how would you suggest she fix it? ---
**Author:** ![BottledBlondJeanie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/0ea827/32.png) [@BottledBlondJeanie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BottledBlondJeanie)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2010, 4:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-beat-your-dogs-2-months-ago-because-you-re-frustrated-with-them-so-you-adopt-another-dog/549041/283 "2010-08-09T04:28:18Z")
Sorry about that **Idle Thoughts** I forgot that **curlcoat** is a she so thought you were referencing me. Brain fart. I apologize. Hmmm, time to work on that self-centeredness again I see ☹ ---
**Author:** ![Meyer6](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/cc9497/32.png) [@Meyer6](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meyer6)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2010, 4:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-beat-your-dogs-2-months-ago-because-you-re-frustrated-with-them-so-you-adopt-another-dog/549041/284 "2010-08-09T04:58:58Z")
> [@curlcoat](#): > > the people on this board are more interested in being rude and judgmental than actually “fighting ignorance”.! Coming from the rudest, most judgmental, and most ignorant person in this thread - possibly on this whole board - this is the height of irony. ---
**Author:** ![curlcoat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ea5d25/32.png) [@curlcoat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/curlcoat)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2010, 5:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-beat-your-dogs-2-months-ago-because-you-re-frustrated-with-them-so-you-adopt-another-dog/549041/285 "2010-08-09T05:13:39Z")
> [@DiosaBellissima](#): > > Alright, so you’ve got me interested. If Papsett is having trouble with her animals acting out, how would you suggest she fix it? My impression from the one or two posts I read in the other thread is not so much that her animals are acting out, but that she was reacting to them in a more negative manner than she usually would because of some outside stress. A stress that I think no longer exists? I haven’t looked at that thread since this one started - is there any other information there? > [@Meyer6](#): > > Coming from the rudest, most judgmental, and most ignorant person in this thread - possibly on this whole board - this is the height of irony. Honey, I only mirror what you show. You came into this thread with immediate animosity - do you really think I should bother being nice to you? As for ignorant, on this subject you will never be able to attain my level of knowledge, and I continue to learn. You - not so much. Unless you lose the attitude. ---
**Author:** ![kambuckta](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/53a042/32.png) [@kambuckta](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kambuckta)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2010, 6:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-beat-your-dogs-2-months-ago-because-you-re-frustrated-with-them-so-you-adopt-another-dog/549041/286 "2010-08-09T06:36:27Z")
> [@curlcoat](#): > > …and I continue to learn. Just such a pity that your ongoing self-education and keenness to learn don’t extend to other topics I guess. Oh well. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![curlcoat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ea5d25/32.png) [@curlcoat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/curlcoat)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2010, 6:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-beat-your-dogs-2-months-ago-because-you-re-frustrated-with-them-so-you-adopt-another-dog/549041/287 "2010-08-09T06:52:31Z")
> [@kambuckta](#): > > > [@curlcoat](#): > > > > …and I continue to learn. > > Just such a pity that your ongoing self-education and keenness to learn don’t extend to other topics I guess. > > Oh well. > > 😃 Automatically agreeing with random opinions thrown at me by strangers on the internet is not how I define “education”. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![kayaker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kayaker/32/441_2.png) [@kayaker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kayaker)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2010, 12:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-beat-your-dogs-2-months-ago-because-you-re-frustrated-with-them-so-you-adopt-another-dog/549041/288 "2010-08-09T12:43:16Z")
> [@alice\_in\_wonderland](#): > > Also, the whole ‘walk your dog’ thing has been rather contentious in this thread Anyone else reading “walking the dog” as a polite reference to masturbation? Cause that makes the thread more entertaining.😉 ---
**Author:** ![Shot\_From\_Guns](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ccd318/32.png) [@Shot\_From\_Guns](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shot_From_Guns)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2010, 3:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-beat-your-dogs-2-months-ago-because-you-re-frustrated-with-them-so-you-adopt-another-dog/549041/289 "2010-08-09T15:09:08Z")
> [@Idle\_Thoughts](#): > > **Curlcoat** is a troll, people. No, she’s not. She’s just genuinely _that fucking retarded and wilfully ignorant_. Which, IMO, is much scarier. > [@Guinastasia](#): > > Do too! In fact, I have TWO elephants!!! And they rescue children from burning buildings. And get kittens down from trees! What?! That’s perverse. Everyone knows elephants are for \*depositing \*kittens \*in \*trees. ---
**Author:** ![Freudian\_Slit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/5daacb/32.png) [@Freudian\_Slit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Freudian_Slit)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2010, 3:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-beat-your-dogs-2-months-ago-because-you-re-frustrated-with-them-so-you-adopt-another-dog/549041/290 "2010-08-09T15:18:56Z")
> [@kayaker](#): > > > [@alice\_in\_wonderland](#): > > > > Also, the whole ‘walk your dog’ thing has been rather contentious in this thread > > Anyone else reading “walking the dog” as a polite reference to masturbation? Cause that makes the thread more entertaining.😉 Great, now I’m getting flashbacks to Dawson Leery’s masturbation euphemisms. ---
**Author:** ![Meyer6](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/cc9497/32.png) [@Meyer6](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meyer6)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2010, 4:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-beat-your-dogs-2-months-ago-because-you-re-frustrated-with-them-so-you-adopt-another-dog/549041/291 "2010-08-09T16:58:26Z")
> [@Shot\_From\_Guns](#): > > > [@Idle\_Thoughts](#): > > > > **Curlcoat** is a troll, people. > > No, she’s not. She’s just genuinely _that fucking retarded and wilfully ignorant_. Which, IMO, is much scarier. Frankly I’m amazed she even has the skills to \*read \*these threads. Maybe her sugar daddy helps her sound out the big words. ---
**Author:** ![Shot\_From\_Guns](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ccd318/32.png) [@Shot\_From\_Guns](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shot_From_Guns)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2010, 5:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-beat-your-dogs-2-months-ago-because-you-re-frustrated-with-them-so-you-adopt-another-dog/549041/292 "2010-08-09T17:19:44Z")
> [@Meyer6](#): > > Maybe her sugar daddy helps her sound out the big words. Nah, he probably just pays someone to read to her. He has a card that’s _blue_, you know. Er, [blue and stolen from an old job of his](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11367257&postcount=1268). ---
**Author:** ![Enderw24](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/ba9def/32.png) [@Enderw24](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Enderw24)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2010, 5:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-beat-your-dogs-2-months-ago-because-you-re-frustrated-with-them-so-you-adopt-another-dog/549041/293 "2010-08-09T17:46:13Z")
1. [Walking the dog regularly is also important. Never leave the dog alone for long periods of time, this may create destructive behaviour in the dog.](http://www.dogownerguide.net/) 2. [Walk your dog, do not let your dog walk you. If you allow your dog to walk in front of you while on a lead you are reinforcing in the dog’s mind that the dog is alpha over you.](http://www.dogbreedinfo.com/articles/dogwalk.htm) 3. [Simply having a large back yard or taking your dog to the dog park is not going to satisfy this instinct in your dog.](http://www.dogbreedinfo.com/articles/dogwalk.htm) 4. [Perhaps the biggest and most widely held misconception about dogs is the belief that they will be healthy and happy living only in the backyard. However, nothing could be further from the truth. Current studies in dog psychology show that dogs isolated in backyards are highly likely to develop serious behavioral problems that often result in euthanasia for the animal.](http://www.paw-rescue.org/PAW/PETTIPS/DogTip_BackyardDogs.php) 5. [Thats fine for little dogs but big dog NEED to be walked.](http://www.dogforum.org/archive/index.php/t-252.html) 6. [Every dog deserves one walk a day and every owner will benefit from providing it.](http://www.cityofboston.gov/animalcontrol/behavior/socializing.asp) 7. [Poll:How often do you walk your dog?](http://justlabradors.com/forum/lab-chat/97864-how-often-do-you-walk-your-dog-poll.html) Ball’s in your court Curlcoat. Go get the ball! Bring it back to me! Good girl! ---
**Author:** ![Shot\_From\_Guns](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ccd318/32.png) [@Shot\_From\_Guns](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shot_From_Guns)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2010, 6:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-beat-your-dogs-2-months-ago-because-you-re-frustrated-with-them-so-you-adopt-another-dog/549041/294 "2010-08-09T18:44:49Z")
> [@Enderw24](#): > > Ball’s in your court Curlcoat. > Go get the ball! Bring it back to me! Good girl! That is an insult to literal bitches everywhere. \*Side note: \*\*curlcoat \*_has a history of ignoring any evidence that doesn’t agree with her worldview. You can give her 5 million fully cited studies in prestigious peer-reviewed journals, and if their conclusion clashes with her Weltanschauung, she’ll reject them all._ ---
**Author:** ![Contrapuntal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e274bd/32.png) [@Contrapuntal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Contrapuntal)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2010, 7:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-beat-your-dogs-2-months-ago-because-you-re-frustrated-with-them-so-you-adopt-another-dog/549041/295 "2010-08-09T19:30:18Z")
> [@Shot\_From\_Guns](#): > > \*Side note: \*\*curlcoat \*_has a history of ignoring any evidence that doesn’t agree with her worldview. You can give her 5 million fully cited studies in prestigious peer-reviewed journals, and if their conclusion clashes with her Weltanschauung, she’ll reject them all._ Yeah, but ya gotta admit that can be pretty painful, especially if it’s just been waxed. ---
**Author:** ![SmartAleq](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smartaleq/32/163_2.png) [@SmartAleq](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SmartAleq)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2010, 4:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-beat-your-dogs-2-months-ago-because-you-re-frustrated-with-them-so-you-adopt-another-dog/549041/296 "2010-08-10T04:15:17Z")
**takes out small notebook, licks pencil tip, scribbles “waxing the weltanschauung” under “euphemisms for masturbation,” nods approvingly** ---
**Author:** ![curlcoat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ea5d25/32.png) [@curlcoat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/curlcoat)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2010, 4:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-beat-your-dogs-2-months-ago-because-you-re-frustrated-with-them-so-you-adopt-another-dog/549041/297 "2010-08-10T04:56:27Z")
Wow, no wonder you guys have such odd ideas. The only quibble I have is these articles don’t appear to be written by trainers, but yeah, you did find articles that tell you these weird things. > [@Enderw24](#): > > 1. [Walking the dog regularly is also important. Never leave the dog alone for long periods of time, this may create destructive behaviour in the dog.](http://www.dogownerguide.net/) This one is uncredited and poorly, vaguely written. I was struck by this in particular - “You also need to toilet train your dog so that you will have less clean up to do.” Um, what? The only way you’d have less clean up would be to teach the dog to use the toilet. “Walking the dog regularly is also important. Never leave the dog alone for long periods of time, this may create destructive behaviour in the dog.” The spelling of behavior made me curious and I found in the coding that this article is probably written for readers in the UK. Isn’t it true that folks over there are less like to have decent sized yards? I hear that complaint from friends who live over there, but it may just be them. Anyway, if the impression that I get of tiny yards is true, it probably is that most owners in the UK have to walk their dogs because otherwise the dog would be digging up the garden and pooping in the roses. > [@](#): > > 1. [Walk your dog, do not let your dog walk you. If you allow your dog to walk in front of you while on a lead you are reinforcing in the dog’s mind that the dog is alpha over you.](http://www.dogbreedinfo.com/articles/dogwalk.htm) This one appears to be taking the training philosophy of Cesar Milan and just using the pieces that whoever Sharon Maguire is likes. It doesn’t hold together logically in that not all dogs that lead on a walk are attempting to be alpha, so not all dogs would be building up “mental anguish” due to the “big responsibility to be leading the pack”. Particularly since there isn’t any mental anguish inherent in leading a pack, unless the leadership is threatened, which it wouldn’t be if the owner is just walking along behind the dog. I imagine the dog would end up with more mental stress from being required to heel all the way thru the walk, without being allowed to just be a dog. Also, this part - "Remember, it only takes one alpha dog to set off any other dogs around. - is flat wrong. Not all dogs are “alpha”, so one such dog is not going to set off _any_ other dogs, and it is most likely to set off other dogs if it is acting up, not just pulling on lead. Heck, if nothing else, if all other dogs are set off by seeing a dog pull on lead, we’d be having mass fights at every dog show held! > [@](#): > > 1. [Simply having a large back yard or taking your dog to the dog park is not going to satisfy this instinct in your dog.](http://www.dogbreedinfo.com/articles/dogwalk.htm) Her she is contradicting herself, or she is using the word “walk” to mean “take your dog out for exercise”. The context of that sentence is “All dogs, regardless of size or breed, need to be taken on daily walks, jogs, runs, bike rides, rollerblading, any means you have to get your dog moving. Taking your dog for a walk is an important ritual in keeping your dog mentally stable. A dog, as an animal, is a walker/traveler by instinct. Packs of dogs get up in the morning and walk. Simply having a large back yard or taking your dog to the dog park is not going to satisfy this instinct in your dog.” I don’t agree that the dog necessarily needs to go out every day since not all dogs are the same, and I definitely don’t agree that packs of dogs “get up in the morning a walk” without a goal, such as looking for food. But yes, dogs do need to get out of the house/yard fairly regularly - it just doesn’t have to be a walk. > [@](#): > > 1. [Perhaps the biggest and most widely held misconception about dogs is the belief that they will be healthy and happy living only in the backyard. However, nothing could be further from the truth. Current studies in dog psychology show that dogs isolated in backyards are highly likely to develop serious behavioral problems that often result in euthanasia for the animal.](http://www.paw-rescue.org/PAW/PETTIPS/DogTip_BackyardDogs.php) Nobody has said that a dog should be isolated in the backyard. > [@](#): > > 1. [Thats fine for little dogs but big dog NEED to be walked.](http://www.dogforum.org/archive/index.php/t-252.html) Uh, you are quoting some random person on an internet message board? > [@](#): > > 1. [Every dog deserves one walk a day and every owner will benefit from providing it.](http://www.cityofboston.gov/animalcontrol/behavior/socializing.asp) Well aside from the fact that I think any government has it’s head up it’s ass, I’m not sure how anyone figures out what “every” dog “deserves”, not to mention that the discussion was whether a dog _needs_ a walk. > [@](#): > > 1. [Poll:How often do you walk your dog?](http://justlabradors.com/forum/lab-chat/97864-how-often-do-you-walk-your-dog-poll.html) I’m not sure why you included this as it shows that there is a wide variety of opinions on whether a dog needs to be walked, and it appears to hinge on whether or not the dog is doing anything else. Which is what I’ve been saying more or less all along… ---
**Author:** ![Enderw24](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/ba9def/32.png) [@Enderw24](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Enderw24)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2010, 5:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-beat-your-dogs-2-months-ago-because-you-re-frustrated-with-them-so-you-adopt-another-dog/549041/298 "2010-08-10T05:08:13Z")
I’ll look more closely at your reply curlcoat, but I searched through sites like the American Kennel Club and national breeding groups and all of them were completely silent on the issue of dog walking, which is why I didn’t include them. I chose the links that I did based upon a Google search of topics like “dog walking” or “walking a dog versus a yard” or the like. Am I claiming these to be absolutely authoritative? Heck no. What I am saying is that 1) every single site I saw -every single one- said that dog walking is not only beneficial but mandatory for owning dogs. 2) If you have a problem with my cites, you’re welcome to show me what you claim to be an authority you trust that backs your assertions. ---
**Author:** ![Muffin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muffin/32/4341_2.png) [@Muffin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Muffin)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2010, 5:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-beat-your-dogs-2-months-ago-because-you-re-frustrated-with-them-so-you-adopt-another-dog/549041/299 "2010-08-10T05:26:30Z")
Curlcoat has a point, for if you feed a young dog milk and do not walk it, it will be much more tender. ---
**Author:** ![straight\_man](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/straight_man/32/3027_2.png) [@straight\_man](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/straight_man)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2010, 7:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-beat-your-dogs-2-months-ago-because-you-re-frustrated-with-them-so-you-adopt-another-dog/549041/300 "2010-08-10T07:34:55Z")
> [@DiosaBellissima](#): > > > [@alice\_in\_wonderland](#): > > > > I guess it’s really more philosophy. The current working title is 'The Doodie Pan - An Existentialist Journey." The first few chapters seem pretty interesting, although he does seem to dwell on descriptions of the cat’s butt quite a bit. > > As we all know, early Shakespeare was also wrought with the same problem. Luckily, he eventually moved forward in his art and so will Mr. Snookums Fluffus. (Ignore the images and pictures and stuff): [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rQrKXTgLo94](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rQrKXTgLo94) No further comment needed. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-beat-your-dogs-2-months-ago-because-you-re-frustrated-with-them-so-you-adopt-another-dog/549041.md?page=14) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-beat-your-dogs-2-months-ago-because-you-re-frustrated-with-them-so-you-adopt-another-dog/549041.md?page=16)