I’d seriously doubt charges would have been laid if the dog that got punted was just attacking said person, even if it is a ratdog.
I don’t know what I would have done as a reaction. I probably would have killed the thing right there.
Hope it gets better soon, CCL.
Holy Shit - make sense?? I’m suprised you can still even type!!
CCL
First off I hope that your hand get better with no more green pus.
Secondly I have to admire you for what you do, I don’t know if I could put up with seeing pets in terminal stages.
Thirdly, everybody bitches about things at work. It’s OK for you to bitch about being attacked.
And lastly, I have never met a minipin that wasn’t flat out freekin nuts. I always thought it was from trying to stuff 1Lb of brains into a 1/2 Oz. container. 
There might be nice ones out there, but I have never run across one.
As a loving owner of a Miniature Pinscher bitch that is calm when needed and aggressive when egged on, I find offense to this statement.
Please do some research on minpins before you lay on some bullshit on their functions. They were bred as RATTERS, they are an older breed than the Dobermann Pinscher so being called Mini Dobes is also bullshit. Minpins are RAT-DOGS, meaning they chase down vermin like rats, squirrels and people like CrazyCatLady.
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they are also great watch dogs
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and my bitch also is fine when being prodded by anal thermometers, clipping nails, cleaning teeth, cleaning ears, getting blood samples because she knows to listen and be still when I’m around. But she can go mental like all dogs do if they feel threatened and unsure of a situation they’re in. I’m the reassurance that everything is fine.
The ratdog in question was scared by its injuries as well as weird new surroundings. Its training and socialization is just a minor problem when the dog is scared. With all your high and mighty knowledge and years of experience, maybe it is time to get off your high horse and realize that this dog was frightened and behaving erratically for its own fear. And maybe you should learn from this experience and realize that the word “pinscher” actually means something. It means biter or pincher. You certainly could have avoided getting bit but I guess your years of experience and oh-so vast wisdom in taking care of small dogs made you all so sure that handling the dog was fine and dandy.
I hope what I say about MinPins gets through to you, that is if you can hear me from your high perch…and not to sound like I’m being an asshole with all that is above, but I do hope that your wound heals properly and you get your thumb functioning back to normal and that you realize that your little freak out was too much.
You don’t see me in here ranting about getting bit by a cat in a soup kitchen (owned by a homeless lady, when I was volunteering), then getting rabies vaccinations cuz i couldn’t find the cat to be monitored, but that’s another story…
Of course, you’ve never encountered this particular ratdog. So you really don’t know what its quirks or hangups were. Neither do I, of course. But CrazyCatLady, who actually has had contact with said dog, does.
If any “scared” dog were as viscious as this one (since you think it was merely “scared,” nothing more), then I think a hell of a lot more of us would be bitten by “scared” dogs. And just about anyone who dealt with sick dogs would have horrible bites that oozed green pus. Because a lot of dogs go to the vet. That’s a scary experience. So do all other “scared” dogs also repeatedly snap and bite and tenaciously hang on to their victim in the way that CCL describes? All of them? Or at least a high percentage of them? Because it’s just about them being “scared,” is all. Any normal dog does that when they’re “scared,” supposedly.
But somehow, that doesn’t seem to be how it happens. Because if it did happen that way, CCL and other people like her who work at vets’ offices would be bitten all the damned time. But they aren’t, are they? So perhaps there’s something uniquely nasty about this particular dog.
What Rick said Crazy Cat Lady, pretty much down to the mini-dobies. Most of all, I hope you get some great post op on that opposing digit.
Super Icky Spoiler Alert!
MY FIRST SPOILER EVER!
You need to consider maggot therapy as an alternative to further surgery. The maggots eat only the pus and no living flesh.
I hope your thumb isn’t permanently damaged, I’ve been bit by a cat before - though different animal, same pain.
I feel bad for the dog really - since it’s the owners fault that it acts the way it does. Now since they are shitty pet owners, their dog is dangerous, bit someone and seriously hurt that person, and could get killed for it. It’s sad that the dog could get put down, but it will probably be for the best. I don’t know how old the dog is - but if it’s past a few years, it isn’t really trainable, and will always be a miserable little dog. Poor thing.
I really hate people sometimes.
Gotta agree. A frightened animal, for the most part, does enough bluffing to get you to back off or, if it’s cornered, hurts you enough to get you the hell out of the way so it can flee. When you’ve got an animal grinding its teeth into the flesh and only interested in doing damage, you’ve got an aggressive case on your hands. From the description given, the MinPin that CCL was handling – and had muzzled so that it could be handled safely – was simply a vicious little bastard.
Madawc, I can fully understand wanting to come to the defense of your favorite breed; I’ve spent the last few weeks tearing out my hair as I try to get the fact that not all greyhounds live to gobble up helpless little kitties through to my family. However, you should at least attempt to get over your offended sensibilities long enough to realize that you and your dog are not personally being maligned, and CCL has every right to complain about a snarly, ill-tempered little beast that went out of its way to try and attack her and her co-workers, and did do physical harm to her that might very well turn into a life-long handicap if luck is against her. I somehow think research into the origins of said beast is the last thing on her mind. Do you think its easy to manipulate a syringe and hold an unwilling animal steady with only the partial use of a thumb, let alone try to perform any more delicate task? Bully for you if you’re such a calm, enlightened, generous individual that you don’t hold needing a course of rabies treatments against a bad-tempered kitty, but don’t try to belittle someone else’s perfectly valid upset. That’s when you do start coming off as an asshole.
Suzene
(who really does need to poke her head out of The Pit now and again)
Oh, where to start, where to start? First off, your dog needs to know how to behave, whether you’re around or not. Exposing your dog to new people and new situations is of vital importance, as it keeps them from freaking out when they have to be in new situations like, say, being in the ICU. That kind of totally unnecessary stress is UNHEALTHY FOR YOUR FUCKING DOG. Whether or not you give a fuck about the safety of the people who have to handle your dog when you can’t be around, you bloody well ought to care about your pet’s health and well-being.
That sort of irresponsible bullshit just really makes my blood boil.
Secondly, there are differences between the way frightened or painful animals act versus aggressive animals. The opinion that this animal was aggressive rather than just frightened or painful was unanimous.
Thirdly (is that even a word?), I was not at all sure that this dog would be fine and dandy to remove a muzzle from. None of us were. But we could NOT leave the muzzle hanging from his neck. He was at high risk for catching a leg in it and either fracturing something or choking himself to death.
There is indeed somebody freaking out here, but it ain’t me.
CCL I hope your hand is getting better and you regain full mobility. I also hope you do not have to go for rabies treatment. You are in my prayers.
With the exception of a small population of psychotic or physically injured animals, pretty much all aggressive and biting behavior boils down to dominance, even in abused little rat dogs. Abuse, neglect and abanonment do not produce aggression and hostility, they produce fear and submission. If you are a dog that finds people “giving you alot of latitude”, allowing you to push around people that could normally snap you in two without trying, you will in short order find that you have developed a seriously flawed and inflated view of yourself and makes you think you have a right to attack anyone who questions your authority.
In other words, most aggressive dogs, large and small, are the product of indulgent, candy-ass owners. Let your dog know what the social hierarchy is, and that she is decidedly on the bottom rung, and absolutely refuse to tolerate anything other than complete submission to you (and any other human being) in all things, and you will have a thoroughly happy, healthy and ** * safe * ** dog.
I would hope it goes without saying that I am not advocating violence or abuse of the animal. One can be unmistakably dominant in a loving manner, and should be.
My dog is perfectly fine with other handlers. She’s been neutered and there weren’t any complications due to bad behaviour that I heard from the Blue Cross. She is not aggressive in a natural state. She’s energetic but not a biter or even a licker. I trained her not to bite or lick things. To avoid her eating things off the street. She won’t even take treats from strangers unless I okay it.
It’s funny how you rip into my dog and her schooling, yet you don’t even acknowledge your own ignorance to the breed itself.
My bitch is docile and can play with children, something not known to the MinPin breed itself, as it dislikes being prodded and manhandled. I play rough with my MinPin, she’s treated like a big dog. She won’t get away with “bad” behaviour.
And with the poster who said that most dogs sense the dislike to them is the truth. The MinPin that bit you probably had a sense that you disliked her from the get-go. My dog knows who to go off at. This is from personal experience when I run into jackasses that taunt my dog when I’m walking her. Whenever I run into them again, although they do nothing (after my tirades), she knows exactly who she’s dealing with even before they know.
So why not take a break from your dislike of small “ratdogs” and have a neutral stance on them. They might eventually like you in return.
Am I freaking out? of course I am, you attacked my favourite breed with the utter bullshit that they don’t have a function. In this case you are the ignoramus that needs to learn that they do and that you need to treat them as equal dogs rather than a lesser “ratdog” breed.
Stoid you are correct in the dog’s role in the hierarchy of dogs and humans. They need to be taught early that they aren’t the Alphas in the “pack”. They need to know that they are the bottom rung of the ladder. My bitch knows I’m the alpha male and that praise and discipline from me is serious.
Another thing about you attacking me about not caring if other handlers get attacked. I’m quite aware that vet and technicians have to deal with a lot of aggressive dogs and that they don’t exactly trust dealing with my bitch. When they tell me to hold her when getting an anal temperature reading or even a blood sample I make sure that her head is looking at me when I hold her. Vet technicians have more experience in handling pets but going at a dog without even knowing a bit of history or temperament from the owner is a really stupid thing to do. All vets and techs always ask me if she is okay, and I say she’s fine. If they want to take more measures to ensure their safety I’m fine with it, but it takes a chunk out of my pride I have for my four-legged friend that they don’t believe me.
You can go on and on about the differences about frightened or aggressive animals, but you have to remember that all dogs, no matter how well trained can revert back to primal instincts of survival and safety. Small dogs are more intimidated by people or large objects coming at them. They know they are miniscule and they are more likely to act out on this size difference in a snap of a finger (or a thumb).
And if you want to bash me and my dog even further or even the breed I love, well you can go fuck yourself on the pedastal you so nicely built up in the sky. Bash the owner of the dog, bash the dog but DON’T bash the Miniature Pinscher.
Jeezopete, ** Madawc**, give it a rest. The OP was not about YOUR perfect MinPin. It was about another very IMPERFECT sick, agressive dog.
I come to the defense of my breed (Australian Shepherd) too, but I have to acknowledge that there are some crazy Aussies* out there. Whether the cause is poor breeding, poor socialization, or a combination of both, some dogs are not trustworthy, especially around strangers.
Spend a few days doing CCL’s job and then come back and report to us on how all sick animals can be handled safely and without frustration.
I wasn’t shitting on CCL’s lawn for her harsh words in the OP about the dog in question, I’m defending “ratdogs” and their aggressive from the OP and defending the MinPin are useless little shits (or no function) post from CCL later in this thread. She needs to get her head out her ass about these ratdog breeds and treat them as dogs and not ratdogs.
I’m glad, but it would be even better if she understood that, as a general rule, she is subordinate to all human beings and has no business trying to boss any of them around. The only exception would be protecting you in case of direct and real threat to either of you, and even then she shouldn’t be making those decisions on her own, she should only be responding to a signal from you.
Dogs are dangerous, and we forget that at our peril. But controlling them is actually pretty simple and easy, and I am consistently amazed that so many people manage to blow it.
That sounds pretty complicated in and of itself. 
Larry, some people use the term neuter to encompass both forms of surgical sterilization. This is especially common in people who are really into showing and stuff. They also tend to use different terms for different sexes of dogs, dividing them into dogs (males) and bitches (females).
As for the rest of Mad’s drivel, I’m not going to waste my time responding beyond these two things: A) Read the rest of the thread regarding the dog’s behavior toward the entire staff, and B) My dogs know that it is absolutely 100% unacceptable to “go off” at anyone or anything unless I or DrJ happen to be under physical attack.
Well take back your little shit comment about MinPins:
this is pure bullshit spewing from your piehole.
And I’ll calm down from my tirade. I totally agree that dogs shouldn’t be vicious, but it is in their nature to be aggressive when in peril. Dogs can’t be trained or passive in situations they have never been in. The ratdog that bit you maybe never was placed in a crate. (my dog isn’t of the crate variety, trained or ever been in one at my place. I think she was crated for the night at the Blue Cross when she was neutered (spayed for Mr. Mudd). Maybe next time you should ask the owners on the ratdog’s temperament and history. Then you won’t have to be on the iffy side of handling said aggressive dogs.
Oh, well the entire staff says so, then they must be right…maybe all of you need to be more cautious and ask the owners of the temperament and history, or all of you on this pedastal that experience is flawless. Maybe you guys all should take a step down and be more understanding and cautious with the animals you tend to. You take your experience like you know all dogs and behaviour. I don’t think so CCL. Maybe it’s time to add some new knowledge in that vast wisdom and experience you guys have.
Funny, I took it as a joke. You know, like when poodles are described as “cats with perms.” I used to describe Chihauhaus with “Hey, they’re practically dogs,” and I was seriously considering getting one at the time.
If I ever acquire a dog that’s not a mix and someone sees me react to a joke about its breed as though my mother’s been called a whore, slap me, please.
CrazyCatLady, I hope your thumb is better soon.
Thanks for the clarification on the broadened definition of the transitive verb form of neuter. You learn something new every day, if you’re lucky.
Madawc, judging from your tone here, I’m increasingly convinced you are distressed by the presence of a foreign object of some description someways up your ass. You haven’t mislaid an annoying little dog, have you? 
(I kid-- I have no doubt that your minpin is well-trained and perfectly adorable.)