# You can't like that! I like that! **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [March 9, 2006, 11:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-cant-like-that-i-like-that/347759 "2006-03-09T23:39:51Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 13\ **Page:** 9
**Author:** ![Scumpup](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ce73a5/32.png) [@Scumpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scumpup)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2006, 12:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-cant-like-that-i-like-that/347759/161 "2006-03-15T12:44:45Z")
Askia, Sorry, but I still call bullshit on your figures. You continue to drastically underestimate the percentage of everything that is crap. Wide-eyed idealists like you get on my fucking nerves. ---
**Author:** ![AncientHumanoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ancienthumanoid/32/278_2.png) [@AncientHumanoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AncientHumanoid)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2006, 2:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-cant-like-that-i-like-that/347759/162 "2006-03-15T14:06:03Z")
100% of the stuff I like is good, not crap. TO ME. Some percentage of stuff I don’t care for may still be good, just not my personal taste, but some of it will indeed be crap. Jump on that dildo and fuck it! ---
**Author:** ![Cat\_Whisperer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cat_whisperer/32/4839_2.png) [@Cat\_Whisperer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cat_Whisperer)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2006, 3:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-cant-like-that-i-like-that/347759/163 "2006-03-15T15:31:02Z")
> [@Excalibre](#): > > \ At what point are people going to head off and form a cool new thread that no one knows about? We already have. ---
**Author:** ![bubastis](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/d07c76/32.png) [@bubastis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bubastis)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2006, 6:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-cant-like-that-i-like-that/347759/164 "2006-03-15T18:56:08Z")
> [@Excalibre](#): > > Hey, no one here’s arguing with _that_, except the OP, who’s been thoroughly mocked for it. Except that I admitted that I made my point quite badly to begin with, and **Frank** put it into words a bit better than I did. Being lumped in with the bandwagonjumpers when you were there from the start is what REALLY gives me the sick. I know that it is small-minded and childish to feel this way. Ah well. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2006, 8:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-cant-like-that-i-like-that/347759/165 "2006-03-15T20:04:27Z")
> [@Justin\_Bailey](#): > > So being surrounded by crap ideas for years has destroyed your good game filter. More like fifteen months, but if you’d posted the same thing in 2002, I’d have laughed just as hard. Video games are probably the single most derivative and repetitve medium out there right now. It makes Hollywood look like a fount of creativty and originality. Last year, what were the most highly touted games? _Half-Life 2_, _Halo 2_, _Doom 3_, _Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas._ All sequels, none of which departed significantly from the formulas set by their predecssors, and that was the cream of the crop. I’m not dissing those games (except _Doom 3_, which sucked) but the best the industry has to offer us is rehashes of the same thing they’ve been doing since the early nineties. There’s some innovation out there, mostly on the consoles (which is frankly bizarre, as that’s far and away the most corporate and tightly controlled format for video games out there). But for every _Katamari Damacy_ there are fifteen re-iterations of _Madden_ with virtually no changes at all except an updated player roster. > [@](#): > > I haven’t played them all, but I’ve played enough to know that going by your rules 45 games on that list would have to be crap. I know that’s not true and any game fan should also be able to see that’s not true. So, I guess that means I’m not a game fan? What the hell am I doing with all these game consoles and high-end PCs at home, then? > [@](#): > > And I have no idea what **Askia** was rambling about. I wasn’t trying to say that video games are high art that challenge all of our basest perceptions of the world yada yada yada. I was saying that 90% of all games are not crap. No more, no less. Games are entertainment and this thread is about the relative merits of entertainment products is it not? Yes, games are entertainment products. So are books, movies, songs, plays, paintings, sculptures, and any other art form you care to name. And like all those other art form, games are entirely capable of challenging our yaddas. But most of them don’t even try: they settle for flashing lights and pretty colors. I think they can do more. > [@](#): > > But I think I’ve finally figured out what everyone else is going on about in this thread. All y’all are snobs. I didn’t want to say it before but everyone that seems to think that everything has got to be crap just wants to hate everything and say that their little corner of the world is the only true corner. That’s just crap. There’s a difference between being a snob and having standards. Excepting more out of a video game, or a book, or a movie, or whatever, doesn’t make you a snob. Judging people’s worth based on what they like makes you a snob. There’s hardly anyone in this thread doing the latter, aside from the OP. > [@Eleusis](#): > > You want a good game? Re-do Star Control. Not the single player Star Control II (which was great), not the awful Star Control III remake of SC2. > Star Control on the Sega Genesis was great. Re-do THAT game. Sega Genesis? Pfft. All the cool people played it on PC. ---
**Author:** ![kushiel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/bbce88/32.png) [@kushiel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kushiel)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2006, 9:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-cant-like-that-i-like-that/347759/166 "2006-03-15T21:49:07Z")
When anything increases, the more the amount of crap increases (a ratio). The Dope isn’t that popular. But if it became popular overnight, then the crap level might increase to the point that the crappy posters would overtake the boards to the point the mods can’t keep up and the board would be full of crap. This would lead to many people leaving very quickly. The Dope would die because the ones left couldn’t keep out the crap, so they’d eventually get jaded and leave. Now, apply that to anything. Apply it to our Johnny Cash scenario. Let’s just pretend he’s still alive and can give concerts. Because of his new popularity, more people go to his concerts, so the crap level goes up. Which means there is a boatload of people who try and singalong and get the lyrics wrong. Or an amount of people that are just going to the concert because their friends are, so they get bored and throw popcorn at people. You can see where this is going. I’ve seen this happen before with other things. That is why people don’t like to see their favorite things hit the mainstream: the crap fans increase. And with the advent of the Internet, it gets unbearable. Spend some time being a fan of something that gets many young people. I can see how LotR fans are bitter - after the 800th Legolas/Urukhai rape fic… ---
**Author:** ![AncientHumanoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ancienthumanoid/32/278_2.png) [@AncientHumanoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AncientHumanoid)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2006, 10:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-cant-like-that-i-like-that/347759/167 "2006-03-15T22:36:21Z")
I made a Lego™ Legolas! But it’s a secret. A god damn secret, got that? Don’t fucking tell anyone… 🆒 ---
**Author:** ![Ludovic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ab992/32.png) [@Ludovic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ludovic)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2006, 10:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-cant-like-that-i-like-that/347759/168 "2006-03-15T22:50:41Z")
The only time I’ve been bitter about things like this is when a favorite band of mine becomes too popular for their venue and so has to move on to bigger places. People have mentioned this before but I still don’t see how one shouldn’t be able to regret not being able to see them in the intimate surroundings they used to frequent. Of course, I am one to talk, because I usually only go to medium-sized venues where people sometimes complain about no longer being able to see the bands at a bar anymore 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![want2know](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/50afbb/32.png) [@want2know](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/want2know)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2006, 6:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-cant-like-that-i-like-that/347759/169 "2006-03-16T18:02:38Z")
I used to think about this very subject back in the punk/post-punk/new wave era. As soon as an artist sold more than 100 records, their so-called “core” fans started bitching about their “sellout” and started searching for the next “little thing”. My message to them was the same as it is now–it’s called the music _business_ for a reason! Artists get into it with the ultimate goal of eventually turning a buck. I you really like them, you should be happy that they’ve become successful rather than resentful that your elite little club has been breached by the plebeians. I wonder if the early Beatles fans felt the same resentment when the Fab Four started dressing in suits and making millions? Any Brits have any recollection about that? To the previous poster who’s been a Bears fan for 20 years: Dude, I lived in Tampa and went to Bucs games when they still had the gay pirate on their helmets! Loved them then, love them now! Actually, the only thing that ever bothered me about “fringe” artists going mainstream was that it usually took a really lame song to finally get them the recognition they deserved: **With or Without You** by U2, **You Take My Breath Away** by Berlin, **Every Breath You Take** by The Police, etc. ---
**Author:** ![Excalibre](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/898d66/32.png) [@Excalibre](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Excalibre)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2006, 6:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-cant-like-that-i-like-that/347759/170 "2006-03-16T18:19:18Z")
> [@kushiel](#): > > That is why people don’t like to see their favorite things hit the mainstream: the crap fans increase. And with the advent of the Internet, it gets unbearable. Spend some time being a fan of something that gets many young people. I can see how LotR fans are bitter - after the 800th Legolas/Urukhai rape fic… I have a sneaking suspicion that it’s not just the new people writing slash. Slash is a venerable tradition that started with the hardest-core of nerds. ---
**Author:** ![Excalibre](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/898d66/32.png) [@Excalibre](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Excalibre)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2006, 6:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-cant-like-that-i-like-that/347759/171 "2006-03-16T18:23:06Z")
> [@want2know](#): > > **With or Without You** by U2 That’s a really lame song? I’m pretty surprised that people would say that - I’ve always thought it was one of the best songs they ever did. I’m not a hardcore U2 fan, but I have five or six of their albums, so it’s not as though I’m only familiar with radio singles - and I think it’s a great song. ---
**Author:** ![kushiel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/bbce88/32.png) [@kushiel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kushiel)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2006, 8:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-cant-like-that-i-like-that/347759/172 "2006-03-16T20:29:24Z")
> [@Excalibre](#): > > I have a sneaking suspicion that it’s not just the new people writing slash. Slash is a venerable tradition that started with the hardest-core of nerds. Oh, I know that. However, in zine days, it was a lot easier to filter out the bad stuff. Zines had editors, so there was quality control. On the other hand, we have [fanfiction.net](http://fanfiction.net), with no quality control. And it was a nice place back in 2000 in the anime category, until the big boom caused by DBZ and Inuyasha being on TV came and brought younger, less grammatically sound writers along. The net has virtually no quality control - archives with editors generally have very few entries for a size of a fandom. ---
**Author:** ![Excalibre](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/898d66/32.png) [@Excalibre](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Excalibre)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2006, 8:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-cant-like-that-i-like-that/347759/173 "2006-03-16T20:34:10Z")
> [@kushiel](#): > > Oh, I know that. However, in zine days, it was a lot easier to filter out the bad stuff. Zines had editors, so there was quality control. On the other hand, we have [fanfiction.net](http://fanfiction.net), with no quality control. And it was a nice place back in 2000 in the anime category, until the big boom caused by DBZ and Inuyasha being on TV came and brought younger, less grammatically sound writers along. The net has virtually no quality control - archives with editors generally have very few entries for a size of a fandom. I’m sorry. I misunderstood. The problem is that today’s slash isn’t good enough. To each her own. 🙂 Not something I ever really understood . . . [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-cant-like-that-i-like-that/347759.md?page=8)