# You don't support the troops? Well FUCK YOU then. **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [March 27, 2003, 10:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-dont-support-the-troops-well-fuck-you-then/164635 "2003-03-27T22:58:58Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Eclectic\_Skeptic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/e19b73/32.png) [@Eclectic\_Skeptic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Eclectic_Skeptic)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2003, 10:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-dont-support-the-troops-well-fuck-you-then/164635/41 "2003-03-28T22:24:12Z")
Sorry. I apologize profusely to the homosexual community for any slander I may have caused them with this insensitive remark. ---
**Author:** ![gobear](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/8dc957/32.png) [@gobear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gobear)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2003, 10:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-dont-support-the-troops-well-fuck-you-then/164635/42 "2003-03-28T22:29:19Z")
> [@](#): > > Estilicon, Patagonia sin fronteras! I’m curious why a poster named **Eclectic Skeptic** is signing his posts with the name of another poster, **Estilicon**. Did we forget which sock we are posting under? ---
**Author:** ![scablet](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/53a042/32.png) [@scablet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/scablet)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2003, 10:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-dont-support-the-troops-well-fuck-you-then/164635/43 "2003-03-28T22:34:02Z")
I think that might have been a comment directed towards **Estilicon** rather than a signature. ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2003, 10:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-dont-support-the-troops-well-fuck-you-then/164635/44 "2003-03-28T22:34:14Z")
In Latin, it’s called the dative form. Gobear, do you think I’m signing your name to this post? ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2003, 10:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-dont-support-the-troops-well-fuck-you-then/164635/45 "2003-03-28T22:35:29Z")
(damn my eyes for forgetting my Latin – it’s the vocative, not the dative!) Daniel, who’s using some non-vocative form for the last sentence of this post ---
**Author:** ![gobear](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/8dc957/32.png) [@gobear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gobear)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2003, 10:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-dont-support-the-troops-well-fuck-you-then/164635/46 "2003-03-28T22:36:06Z")
Ah, my apologies. I misunderstood. ---
**Author:** ![Giraffe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/giraffe/32/129_2.png) [@Giraffe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Giraffe)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2003, 10:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-dont-support-the-troops-well-fuck-you-then/164635/47 "2003-03-28T22:36:10Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Eclectic Skeptic \* > **You have to look at the big picture. If the US wins this war quickly with few casualties, it will boost Bush’s chances of winning in 2004. That would be a disaster for our country. Therefore, the best outcome is for the US to lose this war and suffer heavy casualties.** As someone who is both very liberal and very much opposed to this war, you’re a fucking idiot. Wishing for the deaths of U.S. soldiers is monstrous. Incidentally, it is also incredibly detritimental to those of us who have legitimate reasons to oppose this war. If this war is quick and there are few casualties, that is a good thing. Most of the people I know who oppose the war do so because they feel Bush is behaving recklessly and needlessly risking many lives by his actions. If we are lucky and few lives are lost, that doesn’t automatically make Bush’s decision right – he shouldn’t be unnecessarily risking American and Iraqi lives. And even if it did, there are more important things than your side being proven right. Want to help re-elect Bush in 2004? Keep acting like a dipshit asshole. You would do far more good by just shutting the fuck up. ---
**Author:** ![Sinful](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/2bfe46/32.png) [@Sinful](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sinful)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2003, 10:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-dont-support-the-troops-well-fuck-you-then/164635/48 "2003-03-28T22:46:40Z")
> [@](#): > > So unless you are willing to do more than simply wave a stupid banner around while marching in the safety of the USA don’t deride the very people who provide the very blanket of protection that allows you to be a jerk. Troops don’t deserve to be disrespected, but that doesn’t mean we’ll agree with their actions, hence we’ll continue protesting. ---
**Author:** ![BF](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/b5ac83/32.png) [@BF](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BF)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2003, 11:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-dont-support-the-troops-well-fuck-you-then/164635/49 "2003-03-28T23:31:30Z")
**Eclectic Skeptic** wrote: > [@](#): > > You are a total embarassment to real Americans, who know how much we have fucked over Central and South America to enable our criminal corporations to rob and exploit them. Oh fucking cry me a river, pinhead. For your information, real Americans are getting shot at while trying not to shoot civilians in that pisshole of a “sovereignty” you feel existed quite well under Saddam’s bootheel. If you and the other asshat wanna quote Marxist dogma, please, exercise your constitutional right. Oh wait, **Estilicon** might be able to blabber about anti-US shit, but what if he started dissing the Argentinian government in the streets? Hmmm, makes ya kinda wonder. ---
**Author:** ![jacksen9](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ce73a5/32.png) [@jacksen9](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jacksen9)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2003, 12:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-dont-support-the-troops-well-fuck-you-then/164635/50 "2003-03-29T00:30:42Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Estilicon \* > \*\*I am from Latin America so that bullshit that your troops are the bulkward of the free world is not going to convince me. I am against this war and I don’t support your troops. > \*\* \*\* FUCK YOU \*\* ---
**Author:** ![Eclectic\_Skeptic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/e19b73/32.png) [@Eclectic\_Skeptic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Eclectic_Skeptic)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2003, 12:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-dont-support-the-troops-well-fuck-you-then/164635/51 "2003-03-29T00:54:42Z")
Hey, if those soldiers don’t want to die for their country, why did they join the military in the first place? The US aggression in Iraq is illegal and puts us up their with Nazi Germany. Those soldiers deserve to die for blindly following orders. If we have a Nuremberg trial, they could all be hanged. I wish for the deaths of all soldiers everywhere. The military consciousness is satanic and has no place on Earth. Why don’t you shut the fuck up, Giraffe? ---
**Author:** ![Eclectic\_Skeptic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/e19b73/32.png) [@Eclectic\_Skeptic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Eclectic_Skeptic)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2003, 1:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-dont-support-the-troops-well-fuck-you-then/164635/52 "2003-03-29T01:00:50Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by BF \* > \*\ ***Eclectic Skeptic** wrote: > Oh fucking cry me a river, pinhead. For your information, real Americans are getting shot at while trying not to shoot civilians in that pisshole of a “sovereignty” you feel existed quite well under Saddam’s bootheel. If you and the other asshat wanna quote Marxist dogma, please, exercise your constitutional right. Oh wait, **Estilicon** might be able to blabber about anti-US shit, but what if he started dissing the Argentinian government in the streets? Hmmm, makes ya kinda wonder. \*\* For your information, moron, there were huge public demonstrations against the government in the streets of BUenos Aires recently. In fact, they forced the president to resign. That’s more than I can say for America right now. ---
**Author:** ![jacksen9](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ce73a5/32.png) [@jacksen9](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jacksen9)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2003, 1:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-dont-support-the-troops-well-fuck-you-then/164635/53 "2003-03-29T01:04:28Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Eclectic Skeptic \* > \*\*Hey, if those soldiers don’t want to die for their country, why did they join the military in the first place? The US aggression in Iraq is illegal and puts us up their with Nazi Germany. Those soldiers deserve to die for blindly following orders. If we have a Nuremberg trial, they could all be hanged. I wish for the deaths of all soldiers everywhere. The military consciousness is satanic and has no place on Earth. Why don’t you shut the fuck up, Giraffe? \*\* Please read the stickey posted at the top of this forum. Oh and, fuck you. ---
**Author:** ![Eclectic\_Skeptic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/e19b73/32.png) [@Eclectic\_Skeptic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Eclectic_Skeptic)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2003, 1:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-dont-support-the-troops-well-fuck-you-then/164635/54 "2003-03-29T01:10:36Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by jacksen9 \* > \*\*Please read the stickey posted at the top of this forum. Oh and, fuck you. \*\* That sticky only applies to wishing death upon another poster, like if I told you to drop dead, which I won’t because I enjoy arguing with you and all the other america love it or leave it types in this thread. Oh yeah, and you are a silly goose. ---
**Author:** ![Giraffe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/giraffe/32/129_2.png) [@Giraffe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Giraffe)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2003, 1:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-dont-support-the-troops-well-fuck-you-then/164635/55 "2003-03-29T01:39:39Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Eclectic Skeptic \* > \*\*Hey, if those soldiers don’t want to die for their country, why did they join the military in the first place? The US aggression in Iraq is illegal and puts us up their with Nazi Germany. Those soldiers deserve to die for blindly following orders. If we have a Nuremberg trial, they could all be hanged. I wish for the deaths of all soldiers everywhere. The military consciousness is satanic and has no place on Earth. Why don’t you shut the fuck up, Giraffe? \*\* Listen to me: you honestly couldn’t be a more effective agent for the pro-war agenda if you were cheering at a Bush rally. You are worse than useless, you are actively counter-productive. If you truly cared about making the world a better place, you would focus on making a difference and actually convincing people, rather than basking in your own self-righteous anger. ---
**Author:** ![Eclectic\_Skeptic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/e19b73/32.png) [@Eclectic\_Skeptic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Eclectic_Skeptic)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2003, 1:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-dont-support-the-troops-well-fuck-you-then/164635/56 "2003-03-29T01:51:52Z")
Look, dipshit, this is the BBQ pit not the Unitarian Church. When I want the world to be a better place I write letters to my congressmen. When I want to vent my rage and self-righteous anger, I bask in the pit where it is balmy and warm. ---
**Author:** ![Estilicon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/848f3c/32.png) [@Estilicon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Estilicon)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2003, 2:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-dont-support-the-troops-well-fuck-you-then/164635/57 "2003-03-29T02:03:31Z")
> [@](#): > > I’m curious why a poster named Eclectic Skeptic is signing his posts with the name of another poster, Estilicon. Did we forget which sock we are posting under? Gobear I used all my skills in english to compose a beautifull rant about yourself in the form of a rather long poem. Not an small accompishment taking into account: a) My already mentioned troublesome english. b) my lack of imagination. c) the fact that gobear doesn’t really rhyme with fucking moron. And then you apologized, that work of art is now a bunch of scattered electrons, what a waste. I accept those apologies but please be more carefull next time, accusing a good doper like myself of such an horrible violation of the rules is no small issue 🙂 Eclectic Skeptic, though, can have an issue with you , not because you accused him to be my alter ego (that is actually a compliment) but because you are comparing his english with mine. If he is a native speaker your ass is in the pit. 🙂 > [@](#): > > Oh wait, Estilicon might be able to blabber about anti-US shit, but what if he started dissing the Argentinian government in the streets? Hmmm, makes ya kinda wonder For your information, not that you care you seem to be a jingonistic illeterate, Argentina happens to be a democracy and believe me nothing I ever said about dubya can be compared with what we usually say about our president. Granted our democracy is still far from perfect but who can cast the first stone in this gloomy 2003? Anyway, the last couple of days have been really hard for me, so many of my comments specially the one that started this whole controversy were way out of line. I would like to aplogize. It seems this war has turned me into an extremist I don’t like that, so I am placing myself under a moratorium, I won’t be participating in any other irak related thread for a couple of days I need to calm down. Before closing the issue I will like to make a final statement, I don’t hate America (this is for you BF), I hate bush and everything he represents. In fact I have such an strong reaction to this war because I consider that america has betrayed itself once again. The land of Copland, Gershwin, Twain, Bierce, Berntein, Barber or Heinlem (to name only a few) does not deserve a maniac for president and neither do the rest of us (your president our leader). Ok I am off to take a cold shower. ---
**Author:** ![BF](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/b5ac83/32.png) [@BF](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BF)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2003, 3:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-dont-support-the-troops-well-fuck-you-then/164635/58 "2003-03-29T03:03:12Z")
Well, **Estilicon** has decided to chill, and so will I. However, **Eclectic** dyspeptic wrote: > [@](#): > > Hey, if those soldiers don’t want to die for their country, why did they join the military in the first place? The US aggression in Iraq is illegal and puts us up their with Nazi Germany. Those soldiers deserve to die for blindly following orders. If we have a Nuremberg trial, they could all be hanged. I wish for the deaths of all soldiers everywhere. The military consciousness is satanic and has no place on Earth. [Dr. Huxtable] That’s the most stupidest thing I’ve ever heard of in my life[/Dr. H] Can’t wait 'til spring break’s over… ---
**Author:** ![msmith537](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/d9b06d/32.png) [@msmith537](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/msmith537)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2003, 5:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-dont-support-the-troops-well-fuck-you-then/164635/59 "2003-03-29T17:49:04Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by MrVisible \* > **msmith537** , would you please define what you mean by “support the troops”? What would differentiate someone who supports the troops from someone who does not? In terms of > tangible actions, if you would. \*\* Fair enough. Perhaps “support” is not the right word since it implies a more proactive action. Everyone has the right to be ambivalent. I guess by “support” I mean not treating our soldiers like they are jackbooted Nazi thugs. > [@](#): > > _Originally posted by CrazyCatLady_ > If I had to lose my dad, or my uncles, or my big brother, or any of the the other men in my life who had enlisted over the years to make people take this as seriously as they should, I’d do it in a heartbeat. I’m sorry but you sound insane. You think high casualties now will make anyone stop and think about starting the next war? I have seen nothing in history to indicate that high casualties now will result in anything other than a lot of death and suffering. ---
**Author:** ![AHunter3](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ahunter3/32/368_2.png) [@AHunter3](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AHunter3)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2003, 11:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-dont-support-the-troops-well-fuck-you-then/164635/60 "2003-03-29T23:28:05Z")
If anyone would care to lay out a tenable and easily enunciated position by which I can publicly wish for and hope for an unsuccessful American war against Iraq, one that plays badly at home, provides little encouragement for following it up with another one of the same sort, and humiliates, as much as possible, the dangerously stupid US administration responsible for conducting it in this manner, while at the same time expressing my support and sympathy for our troops… > [@](#): > > **Sterra:** > …Your arguement is exactly why I support the US armed forces and the Iraqi republican guard. …and, yeah, following **Sterra’s** lead, their troops, too, then I’ll happily make use of it and give you credit for the elegant expression of same. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-dont-support-the-troops-well-fuck-you-then/164635.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-dont-support-the-troops-well-fuck-you-then/164635.md?page=4)