His choice of wearing an SS costume was not a very good choice specially for a guy with political aspirations. Can you figure out why?
I’m just popping in to say that all adult costume wearers are emotionally retarded social rejects, no matter their excuse.
Renaissance Faire Dorks, furries, war reenactors, Klingons, all of them. Losers. And mostly virgins.
Please stop equating Wiking with Mengele or campguards.
The Waffen-ss were first and foremost fighting soldiers.
To the people who joined up, at the time, the difference between Wehrmacht and Waffen-SS was more akin to the difference between Army and Marines.
They did not join to murder Jews, they joined to fight the communists, for a new united Europe, for adventure.
And that is what the vast majority of Waffen-ss soldiers did, fight in the war.
No, not all of the waffen-ss were elite fighting men, parts were involved in atrocities, some units were expressly raised for “anti- partisan” duties and filled with dreck, like Dirlewanger.
Wiking was a highly regarded fighting division.
However, a division is a LOT of people and undoubtedly some bad stuff was done by members of this division. I don’t know the details of what happened with the bakery section, maybe they just got stopped because the Einsatzgruppe needed trucks, maybe they joined in with glee. They were just a small section.
As for wanting to re-enact Waffen-ss.
If you’re into military stuff, uniforms, guns, the german army of WWII really is the tits.
Have you ever seen the stuff? Not only is most of it technically waaaaay superior to what the western allies had, it looks fabulous too. Just take the design of the MP-40…
The Waffen-ss uniforms too really look great, especially those camouflage patterns. The American army is just now starting to look like them. These are NOT the stereotype black/brown Nazi uniforms, these are combat uniforms.
So yes, ever since I was a kid reading about WWII, I’ve been wanting to lay my hands on some of that cool stuff. And that’s mainly it, finally a chance to wear that gear you wished you could have had when you were a kid. Nothing Neo-Nazi about it and now that I’ve seen enough camouflage dots and steel helmets, I’m happy to do Fallschirmjäger.
But to be sure, this side of the re-enactment hobby certainly does also attract characters of a more shady political nature and clubs need to be very careful who they invite into their ranks.
Most clubs are.
What about when you play Bedouin Sheik and the Lost Harem Girl with the little missus … does that count?
Well, probably not the virgin part anyway, I’d guess.
He was a medic with the Wiking for a year or two until he was wounded. This was already explained upthread. It’s 100% relevant.
Yes, the new, united, Jew and Gypsy-less Europe. The unit was organized ethnically, wasn’t it? And in any case they did massacre Jews. I don’t really care if that was their primary motive or a fringe benefit. The people they murdered are just as dead.
Yeah! Plus, they always get so mad when you *tell *them that!
I will take your word, but in a million years I will never understand the desire to want to wear this stuff.
I would cut some slack for the females. There’s no cultural sanction against women dressing up in fanciful attire. Bring on the Slave Leias!
Well, what exactly is the difference between you and him? I’ve got no clue, apperantly it is dressing up and at some stage, both of you where wearing a NAZI uniform. However, the main difference is, that you are writing on the dope and the other person get’s quoted HERE
Both of you state the same dislike of the NAZI regime, so what is your point?
And, NO, I’ve got no problem with you dressing up as Mengele - and yes, I understand, that you know, that he was a sick fuck.
Yes, sure - BAD CHOICE - but what is your point?
Prince Harry dressing up for a private party vs someone dressing up for some stupid re-enactment?
One is a stupid kid, who is royal and might wants to go into politics, the other one has weird hobbies, like re-enactment and is a politicians.
Just because this thread is about an “SS costume” doesn’t mean you have to make that the theme of your post.
I think the point is that if it’s just to re-enact a piece of history, they are equal in their moral worth or blame. It does come down to what your are glorifying and what you are condemning. Marleyt23 clearly was not glorifying Mengele, but it seems open to doubt has to how much Iott was glorifying and not condemning the SS.
Fuck off you apologist asshole. I’ll sit in judgment on the SS, and on those who seek to whitewash their crimes. The people who do that and the people who deny the Holocaust and the people who are outright Neo-Nazis have an alarmingly high crossover rate.
The SS were a criminal organization. Its volunteer members were criminal. That’s the judgment of a court of law. Though I have strange suspicions you have issues with the jurisdiction of that court, and find its rulings unacceptable.
But all the volunteer SS men were criminals. Again, not my determination - a legal one.
Indeed it was. As were many German units. Odd that the other non-criminal highly regarded fighting divisions don’t get the same interest from re-enactors, and Neo-Nazis wannabes fapping in their mothers’ basements over pictures of human skin lampshades.
The entire organization was declared criminal. And Wiking in particular was made up of those from countries invaded by the Nazis, who had every reason to hate the Nazis, but whose racial superiority and desire to kill seemed to outweigh any qualms about committing treason.
The German armed forces had some equipment better than the western allies, and some that wasn’t. The utter worship of anything Nazi produced is simply foolish. I’ve heard multiple times how wonderful the Tiger and King Tiger were - but they were incapable of being mass produced, and required so many bespoke parts that it was incredibly difficult to cannibalize them if any part went wrong. Therefore they couldn’t be kept running sufficiently.
No one is claiming that loving the MP-40 is suspect in any way. I’m a huge Luger fan & have a kick ass pair of German artillery binoculars my Grandfather liberated. But not every unit carrying MP-40’s was criminal. Wiking was.
The problem is the elite SS divisions committed a lot of major atrocities. No, not every member of the elite divisions committed a war crime, but a quick breakdown of some of them:
1st SS Panzer Division Leibstandarte SS Adolf Hitler
- Wormhoudt May 27/28, 1940, 100 British POWs murdered with hand grenades and machine guns
- Malmedy massacre, December 1944, 72 American POWs murdered.
2nd SS Panzer Division Das Reich
- Tulle, Central France, June 8, 1944, 97 French civilians hung in retaliation for partisan attacks
- Oradour-sur-Glane, June 10, 1944 Village razed and 190 men, 247 women, and 205 children shot or burned alive in retaliation for the kidnapping of an SS Major by French partisans
3rd SS Panzer Division Totenkopf
- May 26,1940 - Le Paradis, 97 prisoners from the Royal Norfolk Regiment machine gunned
- Various atrocities against Jews and others during the Polish campaign. Totenkopf (Death’s Head) actually was raised from concentration camp guards
5th SS Panzer Division Wiking
- already mentioned in this thread
12 SS Panzer Division Hitlerjugend
- April 2, 1944 - Ascq, 86 French civilians murdered in retaliation for sabotage to a rail line.
- June/July 1944 -Normandy, in 31 different incidents 134 Canadians, 3 British and 1 American prisoners are murdered
The only SS Panzer Divisions not on this list are 9th Hohenstaufen and 10th Frundsberg.
Come on Dissonance - those actions were all to protect their families from Communism.
You see, Communism is Jewish, so the actions against the Jews are obvious. The French partisans (even the non-communist ones) were communist, so that’s part of the same fight. The British and Americans are run by the Jews, who as we have already determined are the source of communism, so I think that covers everything…
Why do you have to besmirch the memories of the SS men, who were, after all, on leave when these “atrocities” didn’t happen to people who deserved them anyway?
Iott’s reenactor website characterizes these SS criminals as “Valient”. Iott says on CNN that he refuses to judge them. The website says that they are not supporting Nazism, but it doesn’t detail the war crimes committed by the wiking: it sticks to the sorts of contortions presented by Latro. Whatever Iott was playing at, it wasn’t history.
Obvious Troll is obvious.:rolleyes:
There’s a huge difference in a gown and tiara playing princess and claiming that the SS were defending their homeland. Is it not true that Germany invaded Poland, and Sudetenland to reclaim them for the thrd Reich, or is the history i’ve history i’ve been reading seriously wrong?
Defending their homeland; defending it from what, exactly, other people living in Europe? Scary Belgium, insane Luxembourg and terrifying Holland?
Listen, you little snot.
You are loudly spouting an “opinion” on a subject you know nothing about.
Your remarks clearly show that you’re grasp on WWII is that of a 3rd grader.
Yet you blithely pass judgement.
I am not “whitewashing” anything, I’m challeging you childish view that anyone in an ss-uniform was either a campguard or a Mengele.
Maybe you should start reading up on the subject.
So, Latro, where should we start “reading up”?
Which books? Which websites?