# You either get to call everyone you don't like a nazi... **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [August 21, 2017, 7:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-either-get-to-call-everyone-you-dont-like-a-nazi/794305 "2017-08-21T19:45:21Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Evan\_Drake](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/b487fb/32.png) [@Evan\_Drake](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Evan_Drake)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2017, 3:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-either-get-to-call-everyone-you-dont-like-a-nazi/794305/21 "2017-08-22T15:09:09Z")
> [@BigT](#): > > I would love if all the Nazi protesters similarly became unemployed. Worked great in the 1920s. ---
**Author:** ![Chimera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/8e8cbc/32.png) [@Chimera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chimera)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2017, 3:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-either-get-to-call-everyone-you-dont-like-a-nazi/794305/22 "2017-08-22T15:15:45Z")
> [@Evan\_Drake](#): > > Worked great in the 1920s. I dunno, if someone is a nazi and believes that all of their enemies and non-white people should be exterminated, how do you trust that person to deal fairly with the people they hate? How do you trust a Nazi cook or server to deal fairly with the handicapped, black and gay customers? How do you trust a Nazi or White Supremacist social worker to work fairly with minorities? How do you trust a Nazi HR person or manager to fairly manage a diverse workforce? Their very beliefs and the fact that they’re willing to put themselves out in public - showing their faces - to announce that they hold these odious beliefs is what renders them unemployable in far too many situations. It is a natural consequence. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2017, 3:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-either-get-to-call-everyone-you-dont-like-a-nazi/794305/23 "2017-08-22T15:21:10Z")
> [@Evan\_Drake](#): > > Worked great in the 1920s. Worked great in America. > **[German American Bund](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_American_Bund)** > > Final solution > The German American Bund, or the German American Federation (German: Amerikadeutscher Bund, Amerikadeutscher Volksbund, AV), was a German-American Nazi organization which was established in 1936 as a successor to the Friends of New Germany (FONG, FDND in German). The organization chose its new name in order to emphasize its American credentials after the press accused it of being unpatriotic. The Bund was allowed to consist only of American citizens of German descent. Its main ... Although a lot had to do with the fact that Nazis could not help to steal from their businesses and their draft dodging made them even more unpopular in the USA. So, just like before: [Don’t be a sucker](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=23X14HS4gLk). Even when some hard conservatives are not Nazis they are giving them too much oxygen right now. ---
**Author:** ![Jackmannii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackmannii/32/311_2.png) [@Jackmannii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackmannii)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2017, 3:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-either-get-to-call-everyone-you-dont-like-a-nazi/794305/24 "2017-08-22T15:25:26Z")
_Call him a Nazi, he won’t even frown, “Ha, Nazi, Schmazi,” says Wernher von Braun._ ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2017, 3:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-either-get-to-call-everyone-you-dont-like-a-nazi/794305/25 "2017-08-22T15:27:53Z")
Uh, I missed someone in the previous post. "Of course, as I said, I see a lot of what you say that makes sense; but I have to note too at how conservatives in this message board also have pressed to almost pathological levels the point of “just talking about freedom of speech” while avoiding the elephant in the room caused by the other fact that the Nazis are getting a lot of support from the **president** , while usually also omitting that people were seriously hurt and even killed by the Nazis in the recent attempt to “Unite the right”. ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2017, 4:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-either-get-to-call-everyone-you-dont-like-a-nazi/794305/26 "2017-08-22T16:30:02Z")
> [@GIGObuster](#): > > … even killed by the Nazis in the recent attempt to “Unite the right”. Freedom of expression. If you don’t like it, you are a bigot. or something. Uh huh. Anyone who doesn’t like Nazis is a bigot or something. :smack: ---
**Author:** ![Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/budget_player_cadet/32/205_2.png) [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Budget_Player_Cadet)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2017, 5:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-either-get-to-call-everyone-you-dont-like-a-nazi/794305/27 "2017-08-22T17:56:32Z")
> [@BigT](#): > > The word Nazi means white supremacist now. It has for decades. Well then my complaints are entirely too late, and you must inform everyone who missed the memo on this. Cuz I missed the memo. I thought “nazi” referred to people who agreed with the NSDAP and were in favor of genocide and violence against “lesser races”. > [@](#): > > No one is using Nazi to mean “person I don’t like.” You’re doing their propaganda for them by saying this. I literally cited one such example in my first post. [Here’s another](http://slatestarcodex.com/blog_images/google_message.jpg), talking about James Damore. Here’s a piece about [Charles Murray](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vkkHj30AWWk). > [@](#): > > Yes, if you want to get technical, you can differentiate between those who are proud of Hitler (neo-Nazis) and those who aren’t (KKK/generic white supremacy). But there’s no actual difference in the severity of their racism towards non-whites. Because there is _no_ real difference between the guys who love the holocaust and want more where that came from, the guys who believe that we’re better off with a monoracial or monocultural state, and the guys who think black people are inferior and want to fix this with subsidies, better education, or universal basic income. Again, it’s easy to say “this isn’t happening”, but _it is happening_. > [@](#): > > Still, given that our current President relied heavily on a Nazi base Oh for fuck’s sake. The president relied heavily on a Nazi base? “Unite the Right” was the biggest nazi gathering in decades. There was something like 500-1000 nazis there. By comparison, the women’s march gathered upwards of 3 million people to protest Trump. Let’s [work with some made-up numbers here](http://slatestarcodex.com/2013/05/02/if-its-worth-doing-its-worth-doing-with-made-up-statistics/) and see where our intuitions lead us. Let’s assume for the moment that neo-nazis are _only_ as willing to march for their cause as anti-Trumpers, and that there are similar proportions in play, so about 1 out of 50 people devoted to the cause went to march. This is very charitable, as more extreme and out-there ideologies are more likely to have more devoted followers. Let’s assume that because there were women’s marches in all 50 states, Unite the Right would have had 50x as many people had it gone national. This is _incredibly_ overcharitable. Plug these figures in, and we find that the “nazi base” in the USA is, at most, about 1000_50_50 = 2.5 million people. That’s your upper limit while being almost absurdly charitable. It’s also [not _too_ far off the numbers Scott Alexander found when he tried to estimate it based on polling data](http://slatestarcodex.com/2016/11/16/you-are-still-crying-wolf/). Not an order of magnitude, anyways. But that’s not nazis and white supremacists. That’s _everyone_ who might hold specific racist attitudes like “the civil rights act was bad” or “I wouldn’t vote for a black president” or “I wouldn’t move in next to black people”. [And this is akin to the number of people who believe that the government is run by lizard people](http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/main/2013/04/conspiracy-theory-poll-results-.html). It’s almost an order of magnitude less than the people who believe that vaccines cause autism. Trump would have been better off banking his hopes on the _chemtrails_ crowd - “I will crack down on illegal chemtrail spraying” would have been one hell of a thing to hear at a campaign rally, huh? One hell of a base. > [@](#): > > to the point that he can’t publicly condemn them, but act as if “both sides” are equal when a goddamned fucking Nazi commits terrorism–it’s pretty clear that Nazis have an outsized level of influence in our country right now. Yeah, okay, I’ll admit, _that’s_ weird. Don’t really have a good answer for it. > [@](#): > > Pretending that Nazis aren’t a threat right now is ridiculous. They’ve come out of the woodworks, where they used to were thoroughly depowered. Friendly reminder: the biggest Nazi rally possibly in US history just happened and you could fit all of them in the local Cineplex. This is not an operational threat. ---
**Author:** ![Chimera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/8e8cbc/32.png) [@Chimera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chimera)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2017, 6:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-either-get-to-call-everyone-you-dont-like-a-nazi/794305/28 "2017-08-22T18:22:48Z")
> **[1 in 10 say it's acceptable to hold neo-Nazi views (POLL)](https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/28-approve-trumps-response-charlottesville-poll/story?id=49334079)** “As noted, 9 percent overall call it acceptable to hold neo-Nazi or white supremacist views, while 83 percent call this unacceptable, leaving 8 percent with no opinion. Seventy-two percent feel strongly that it’s unacceptable.” If we figure 9% (that will admit it in a poll), we have 29 million Americans thinking neo-Nazis and White Supremacists are A-ok. ---
**Author:** ![Okrahoma](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/90db22/32.png) [@Okrahoma](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Okrahoma)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2017, 10:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-either-get-to-call-everyone-you-dont-like-a-nazi/794305/29 "2017-08-22T22:02:55Z")
Did you know that the solar eclipse has something to do with [racism](https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2017/08/american-totality-eclipse-race/537318/)? Now you know. Everything is racist. Even the Moon. Well maybe it’s not racist. But it is “relaying a message”. A racist message. With the eclipse. ---
**Author:** ![Ale](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/f19dbf/32.png) [@Ale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ale)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2017, 2:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-either-get-to-call-everyone-you-dont-like-a-nazi/794305/30 "2017-08-23T02:04:20Z")
What can go wrong with calling people Nazis willy-nilly? [I now have people following me around with my photo and looking for me. Saying that they will seriously hurt and possibly kill me all because of an incident spurred by another journalist. … Sören appears to work for several news publications in Germany. He tweeted out a photo of myself and others saying that “we were identitarians and fascists.” He then forwarded them to Antifa. He also tweeted individual images of us, all the while continuing to call us fascists. … We then noticed that we were being followed by a group of around ten men, who then tried to shoulder bump us, they went after Max, punching him a couple of times. This was when I told Max to run; we started trying to get away from the situation after he had been attacked. As we were trying to get away, other people in front, started punching, pelting us, throwing us to the ground and kicking us.](https://steemit.com/news/@lukewearechange/how-fake-news-almost-got-me-killed-at-the-g20) Oh, that. ---
**Author:** ![DrFidelius](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/drfidelius/32/3447_2.png) [@DrFidelius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrFidelius)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2017, 11:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-either-get-to-call-everyone-you-dont-like-a-nazi/794305/31 "2017-08-23T11:18:19Z")
Ale: those links don’t work for me. What’s the url of the articles? ---
**Author:** ![Ale](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/f19dbf/32.png) [@Ale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ale)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2017, 6:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-either-get-to-call-everyone-you-dont-like-a-nazi/794305/32 "2017-08-23T18:32:22Z")
> [@DrFidelius](#): > > Ale: those links don’t work for me. What’s the url of the articles? Odd, it works fine for me, the URL is [☠️ How Fake News Almost Got Me Killed At The G20❗ 📰 — Steemit](https://steemit.com/news/@lukewearechange/how-fake-news-almost-got-me-killed-at-the-g20) ---
**Author:** ![DrFidelius](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/drfidelius/32/3447_2.png) [@DrFidelius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrFidelius)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2017, 6:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-either-get-to-call-everyone-you-dont-like-a-nazi/794305/33 "2017-08-23T18:49:24Z")
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**Author:** ![DrFidelius](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/drfidelius/32/3447_2.png) [@DrFidelius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrFidelius)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2017, 6:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-either-get-to-call-everyone-you-dont-like-a-nazi/794305/34 "2017-08-23T18:50:28Z")
Do I need to send them some Bit coins to read their content? ---
**Author:** ![Chimera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/8e8cbc/32.png) [@Chimera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chimera)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2017, 7:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-either-get-to-call-everyone-you-dont-like-a-nazi/794305/35 "2017-08-23T19:16:09Z")
Nazis call off planned cook-out in Eau Claire, Wisconsin citing threats. > **[Neo-Nazi gathering planned in Eau Claire called off](https://www.wbay.com/content/news/Neo-Nazi-gathering-planned-in-Eau-Claire-called-off-441524573.html)** > > A Sept. 16 gathering in Eau Claire being planned by a neo-Nazi organization has been canceled. Counter-protests were already in the works. “Eau Claire City Attorney Stephen Nick and Councilwoman Kate Beaton said the city is pleased that the event has been called off.” ---
**Author:** ![blindboyard](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/blindboyard/32/2833_2.png) [@blindboyard](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/blindboyard)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2017, 1:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-either-get-to-call-everyone-you-dont-like-a-nazi/794305/36 "2017-08-24T13:38:56Z")
Dan Harmon, the Community guy, thinks 29% of the American population are Nazis, and that Nazis ought to be killed. And that his beard suits him. He is wrong about all of these things. ---
**Author:** ![Evan\_Drake](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/b487fb/32.png) [@Evan\_Drake](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Evan_Drake)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2017, 2:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-either-get-to-call-everyone-you-dont-like-a-nazi/794305/37 "2017-08-24T14:47:21Z")
‘ **Undertaker’s News** ’ ought to be _thrilled_. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2017, 3:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-either-get-to-call-everyone-you-dont-like-a-nazi/794305/38 "2017-08-24T15:33:34Z")
> [@asahi](#): > > Neither? Yes, that’d be my preferred option too. I don’t like Nazis, but I don’t remotely think everyone I don’t like is a Nazi. And I’m not a fan of pre-emptive punching, although punching a Nazi in self-defense is permissible. > [@Okrahoma](#): > > Did you know that the solar eclipse has something to do with [racism](https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2017/08/american-totality-eclipse-race/537318/)? > > Now you know. Everything is racist. Even the Moon. Well maybe it’s not racist. But it is “relaying a message”. A racist message. With the eclipse. Did you know that when someone repeatedly posts entirely unrelated material into discussions about the Charlottesville rally and neo-Nazis in America it give the strong impression that the person is doing so in order to deflect criticism of white supremacist marchers? Now you know. And you know what else is racist? Racism. But hey - some people think eclipses are racist, some people think calling for the systematic persecution and death of people of other races is racist. It’s all the same, right? ---
**Author:** ![Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/budget_player_cadet/32/205_2.png) [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Budget_Player_Cadet)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2017, 9:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-either-get-to-call-everyone-you-dont-like-a-nazi/794305/39 "2017-08-30T21:48:52Z")
> [@Controversial encounters between law-enforcement and civilians - the omnibus thread](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/11252): > > Of course he is. He’s a Nazi sympathizer. > Occam’s Razor. > [@Controversial encounters between law-enforcement and civilians - the omnibus thread](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/11254): > > Steophan, does this mean that we should refer to you as a _neo-nazi sympathizer_ rather than a _nazi sympathizer_? > > I’d rather keep it simple by leaving it at _nazi piece of shit_, 'cause I really don’t care a fig about your personal sensibilities as to the different flavours of your ilk. In response to a post where **Steophan** was defending himself and arguing that he would be in the camps: > [@Controversial encounters between law-enforcement and civilians - the omnibus thread](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/11260): > > On whose side? :mad: **Stop. Ruining. The. Word. Nazi.** Steophan is a _douchebag_. A boot-licking brown-noser. A racially insensitive douche-canoe. _He is not a fucking nazi_. God _damn_. Stop calling everyone you disagree with a nazi! ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2017, 10:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-either-get-to-call-everyone-you-dont-like-a-nazi/794305/40 "2017-08-30T22:06:09Z")
> [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](#): > > In response to a post where **Steophan** was defending himself and arguing that he would be in the camps: > > :mad: > > **Stop. Ruining. The. Word. Nazi.** > > Steophan is a _douchebag_. A boot-licking brown-noser. A racially insensitive douche-canoe. > > _He is not a fucking nazi_. > > God _damn_. Stop calling everyone you disagree with a nazi! I called him a sympathizer. Not that I could disagree with THE REST of your assessment 😉 [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-either-get-to-call-everyone-you-dont-like-a-nazi/794305.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-either-get-to-call-everyone-you-dont-like-a-nazi/794305.md?page=3)