# You either get to call everyone you don't like a nazi... **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [August 21, 2017, 7:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-either-get-to-call-everyone-you-dont-like-a-nazi/794305 "2017-08-21T19:45:21Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Leaper](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/4bbf92/32.png) [@Leaper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Leaper)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2017, 10:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-either-get-to-call-everyone-you-dont-like-a-nazi/794305/41 "2017-08-30T22:21:18Z")
I have seen actual hardcore socialist-progressives say flat out that protecting the (to them) so-called free speech rights of Nazis is collaborating with them and makes you morally responsible for the death in Charlottesville. Nothing I have read or been linked to on this board from anyone comes even close. ---
**Author:** ![Steophan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steophan/32/9595_2.png) [@Steophan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steophan)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2017, 11:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-either-get-to-call-everyone-you-dont-like-a-nazi/794305/42 "2017-08-30T23:48:51Z")
> [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](#): > > Steophan is a _douchebag_. A boot-licking brown-noser. A racially insensitive douche-canoe. > > _He is not a fucking nazi_. Thankyou. ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2017, 5:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-either-get-to-call-everyone-you-dont-like-a-nazi/794305/43 "2017-08-31T17:41:02Z")
> [@Leaper](#): > > I have seen actual hardcore socialist-progressives say flat out that protecting the (to them) so-called free speech rights of Nazis is collaborating with them and makes you morally responsible for the death in Charlottesville. > > Nothing I have read or been linked to on this board from anyone comes even close. Free speech does not involve guns, iron pipes, and cars. It does not include murder. ---
**Author:** ![Crazy\_Canuck](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crazy_canuck/32/5282_2.png) [@Crazy\_Canuck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Crazy_Canuck)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2017, 8:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-either-get-to-call-everyone-you-dont-like-a-nazi/794305/44 "2017-08-31T20:13:19Z")
> [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](#): > > God _damn_. Stop calling everyone you disagree with a nazi! Did you actually read the thread you are quoting there? You are factually incorrect. No one in that thread called Stephan a Nazi. Multiple people, myself included, called him a nazi **sympathizer.** And now I’m thinking the same about you. ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2017, 8:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-either-get-to-call-everyone-you-dont-like-a-nazi/794305/45 "2017-08-31T20:24:45Z")
> [@Crazy\_Canuck](#): > > Did you actually read the thread you are quoting there? You are factually incorrect. No one in that thread called Stephan a Nazi. Multiple people, myself included, called him a nazi **sympathizer.** > > And now I’m thinking the same about you. Lol. You so simple you are missing the irony. ---
**Author:** ![Chimera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/8e8cbc/32.png) [@Chimera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chimera)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2017, 8:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-either-get-to-call-everyone-you-dont-like-a-nazi/794305/46 "2017-08-31T20:40:05Z")
C’mon, didn’t you know BPC set up this thread just to declare himself the final arbiter in who is allowed to be called a Nazi and who isn’t allowed to call people that? The rule of the outraged in play here. He declares that he’s outraged that people are using these terms and sets himself up as the ‘high ground’ who alone is allowed to make that call. Its just totally outrageous for all of us not to accept his authority here! 😛 ---
**Author:** ![Crazy\_Canuck](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crazy_canuck/32/5282_2.png) [@Crazy\_Canuck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Crazy_Canuck)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2017, 8:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-either-get-to-call-everyone-you-dont-like-a-nazi/794305/47 "2017-08-31T20:44:55Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > Lol. You so simple you are missing the irony. You so simple? You love me long time too? ---
**Author:** ![Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/budget_player_cadet/32/205_2.png) [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Budget_Player_Cadet)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2017, 2:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-either-get-to-call-everyone-you-dont-like-a-nazi/794305/48 "2017-09-02T02:34:17Z")
> [@Crazy\_Canuck](#): > > Did you actually read the thread you are quoting there? You are factually incorrect. No one in that thread called Stephan a Nazi. Multiple people, myself included, called him a nazi **sympathizer.** > > And now I’m thinking the same about you. Jesus, what a kind and gentle judgment! If you’d read damn near anything I posted _ever_ you might realize how fucking stupid this statement is, but I guess you’re not going to bother. Plus, being called a nazi sympathizer for claiming that we shouldn’t suspend a group’s basic human rights then make that group so broad as to be meaningless is _totally_ better than being called a _nazi_. Seriously, what the fuck is wrong with you people? Have you all lost your goddamn minds, or am I the only one not in on the joke? ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2017, 4:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-either-get-to-call-everyone-you-dont-like-a-nazi/794305/49 "2017-09-02T04:57:09Z")
> [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](#): > > Jesus, what a kind and gentle judgment! If you’d read damn near anything I posted _ever_ you might realize how fucking stupid this statement is, but I guess you’re not going to bother. Plus, being called a nazi sympathizer for claiming that we shouldn’t suspend a group’s basic human rights then make that group so broad as to be meaningless is _totally_ better than being called a _nazi_. > > Seriously, what the fuck is wrong with you people? Have you all lost your goddamn minds, or am I the only one not in on the joke? Lol. Welcome to my exasperation. I can only conclude these folks lack the intellectual capacity to distinguish between advocating for rights and advocating a specific point of view. Or, they do know the difference yet feel that there is a greater agenda served by dishonestly blurring the difference and personally attacking those who maintain that there is a difference. The lunacy is actually worrisome for the future of the republic. ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2017, 3:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-either-get-to-call-everyone-you-dont-like-a-nazi/794305/50 "2017-09-02T15:54:23Z")
> [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](#): > > Well then my complaints are entirely too late, and you must inform everyone who missed the memo on this. Cuz I missed the memo. I thought “nazi” referred to people who agreed with the NSDAP and were in favor of genocide and violence against “lesser races”. > > I literally cited one such example in my first post. [Here’s another](http://slatestarcodex.com/blog_images/google_message.jpg), talking about James Damore. Here’s a piece about [Charles Murray](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vkkHj30AWWk). > > Because there is _no_ real difference between the guys who love the holocaust and want more where that came from, the guys who believe that we’re better off with a monoracial or monocultural state, and the guys who think black people are inferior and want to fix this with subsidies, better education, or universal basic income. Again, it’s easy to say “this isn’t happening”, but _it is happening_. > > Oh for fuck’s sake. The president relied heavily on a Nazi base? “Unite the Right” was the biggest nazi gathering in decades. There was something like 500-1000 nazis there. By comparison, the women’s march gathered upwards of 3 million people to protest Trump. > > Let’s [work with some made-up numbers here](http://slatestarcodex.com/2013/05/02/if-its-worth-doing-its-worth-doing-with-made-up-statistics/) and see where our intuitions lead us. > > Let’s assume for the moment that neo-nazis are _only_ as willing to march for their cause as anti-Trumpers, and that there are similar proportions in play, so about 1 out of 50 people devoted to the cause went to march. This is very charitable, as more extreme and out-there ideologies are more likely to have more devoted followers. Let’s assume that because there were women’s marches in all 50 states, Unite the Right would have had 50x as many people had it gone national. This is _incredibly_ overcharitable. > > Plug these figures in, and we find that the “nazi base” in the USA is, at most, about 1000_50_50 = 2.5 million people. That’s your upper limit while being almost absurdly charitable. It’s also [not _too_ far off the numbers Scott Alexander found when he tried to estimate it based on polling data](http://slatestarcodex.com/2016/11/16/you-are-still-crying-wolf/). Not an order of magnitude, anyways. > > But that’s not nazis and white supremacists. That’s _everyone_ who might hold specific racist attitudes like “the civil rights act was bad” or “I wouldn’t vote for a black president” or “I wouldn’t move in next to black people”. [And this is akin to the number of people who believe that the government is run by lizard people](http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/main/2013/04/conspiracy-theory-poll-results-.html). It’s almost an order of magnitude less than the people who believe that vaccines cause autism. Trump would have been better off banking his hopes on the _chemtrails_ crowd - “I will crack down on illegal chemtrail spraying” would have been one hell of a thing to hear at a campaign rally, huh? > > One hell of a base. > > Yeah, okay, I’ll admit, _that’s_ weird. Don’t really have a good answer for it. > > Friendly reminder: the biggest Nazi rally possibly in US history just happened and you could fit all of them in the local Cineplex. This is not an operational threat. If you’re talking about Charlottesville, people were seriously injured, even killed. By people who would love to do it again. How is that not a threat? ---
**Author:** ![Leaper](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/4bbf92/32.png) [@Leaper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Leaper)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2017, 9:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-either-get-to-call-everyone-you-dont-like-a-nazi/794305/51 "2017-09-02T21:57:20Z")
> [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](#): > > Jesus, what a kind and gentle judgment! If you’d read damn near anything I posted _ever_ you might realize how fucking stupid this statement is, but I guess you’re not going to bother. Plus, being called a nazi sympathizer for claiming that we shouldn’t suspend a group’s basic human rights then make that group so broad as to be meaningless is _totally_ better than being called a _nazi_. > > Seriously, what the fuck is wrong with you people? Have you all lost your goddamn minds, or am I the only one not in on the joke? Simple: there is disagreement on whether anyone is “[making] that group so broad as to be meaningless”. You obviously think so. Do you think anyone you’re arguing with thinks so? ---
**Author:** ![BigT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigt/32/12044_2.png) [@BigT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigT)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2017, 10:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-either-get-to-call-everyone-you-dont-like-a-nazi/794305/52 "2017-09-02T22:24:06Z")
**Steophan** was making excuses for actual Nazis, as in, people who proudly wore the Nazi symbols. He was trying to distance this neo-Nazi movement from Nazism. He was treating Nazis differently than BLM or Antifa. He was arguing freedom of speech in the face of actual violence. **Steophan** is also an authoritarian, and makes up excuses to defend bad cops. He opposed standing up against bad cops. He thus is not the kind of person people want to give the benefit of the doubt. And, as of my last post in the thread, he had not actually disavowed the actual core beliefs on Nazism, which seems oddly suspicious. It makes perfect sense to call him a Nazi sympathizer. He can, of course, prove otherwise. It’s not a matter of an ever-widening definition. He very much seems to be doing the thing that would make him a Nazi sympathizer. Though I’ll also point out that no one is advocating punching him for this, so I don’t see how it would be relevant even if you did disagree with the definition. According to your OP, it’s okay to have a too wide definition as long as you aren’t using it as an excuse to punch people. ---
**Author:** ![Steophan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steophan/32/9595_2.png) [@Steophan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steophan)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2017, 10:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-either-get-to-call-everyone-you-dont-like-a-nazi/794305/53 "2017-09-02T22:48:18Z")
> [@BigT](#): > > **Steophan** was making excuses for actual Nazis, as in, people who proudly wore the Nazi symbols. Yep, that’s the definition of a Nazi, one who wears a particular set of symbols. You absolute fucking moron. Obviously I’m going to defend the right of neo-Nazis, or anyone else with ridiculous, objectionable views (such as yourself) to hold and express those views _because_ I’m not a fascist. I’m not going to threaten or use violence against people because of their views precisely because their views - which include doing those things - are wrong. I don’t _sympathise_ with neo-Nazi’s, fascists, white supremacists, and so on. I _pity_ them. They are sad, pathetic people who have no understanding of how the world works, no clue why their own lives are so miserable, and are lashing out for someone to blame. Interestingly, they are the precise same reasons I pity you. ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2017, 4:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-either-get-to-call-everyone-you-dont-like-a-nazi/794305/54 "2017-09-03T16:23:47Z")
> [@BigT](#): > > **Steophan** was making excuses for actual Nazis, as in, people who proudly wore the Nazi symbols. He was trying to distance this neo-Nazi movement from Nazism. He was treating Nazis differently than BLM or Antifa. He was arguing freedom of speech in the face of actual violence. > > **Steophan** is also an authoritarian, and makes up excuses to defend bad cops. He opposed standing up against bad cops. He thus is not the kind of person people want to give the benefit of the doubt. > > And, as of my last post in the thread, he had not actually disavowed the actual core beliefs on Nazism, which seems oddly suspicious. > > It makes perfect sense to call him a Nazi sympathizer. He can, of course, prove otherwise. It’s not a matter of an ever-widening definition. He very much seems to be doing the thing that would make him a Nazi sympathizer. > > Though I’ll also point out that no one is advocating punching him for this, so I don’t see how it would be relevant even if you did disagree with the definition. According to your OP, it’s okay to have a too wide definition as long as you aren’t using it as an excuse to punch people. And yet, if it walks like a Nazi, dresses like a Nazi, waves Nazi flags like a Nazi, spouts Nazi slogans like a Nazi, and sieg heils like a Nazi, chances are it’s a Nazi. And if it marches with and fights alongside Nazis, it’s either a Nazi or a Nazi sympathizer. ---
**Author:** ![Evil\_Economist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/c89c15/32.png) [@Evil\_Economist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Evil_Economist)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2017, 4:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-either-get-to-call-everyone-you-dont-like-a-nazi/794305/55 "2017-09-03T16:26:02Z")
> [@Steophan](#): > > They are sad, pathetic people who have no understanding of how the world works, no clue why their own lives are so miserable, and are lashing out for someone to blame. Interestingly, they are the precise same reasons I pity you. This is called projection. ---
**Author:** ![Steophan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steophan/32/9595_2.png) [@Steophan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steophan)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2017, 4:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-either-get-to-call-everyone-you-dont-like-a-nazi/794305/56 "2017-09-03T16:40:39Z")
> [@Evil\_Economist](#): > > This is called projection. You think that’s _not_ a valid description of white supremacists? It’s observably a valid description of **BigT** , as anyone who’s read more than 3 of his posts will know. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2017, 5:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-either-get-to-call-everyone-you-dont-like-a-nazi/794305/57 "2017-09-03T17:33:59Z")
> [@Steophan](#): > > Obviously I’m going to defend the right of neo-Nazis, or anyone else with ridiculous, objectionable views (such as yourself) to hold and express those views _because_ I’m not a fascist. I’m not going to threaten or use violence against people because of their views precisely because their views - which include doing those things - are wrong. > > I don’t _sympathise_ with neo-Nazi’s, fascists, white supremacists, and so on. I _pity_ them. They are sad, pathetic people who have no understanding of how the world works, no clue why their own lives are so miserable, and are lashing out for someone to blame. Interestingly, they are the precise same reasons I pity you. And as I pointed before that would be the case if it the issue that brought this to a head did not include black people or women being murdered by the supremacists and fascists. Again the main issues I see here are that: 1. The Nazi’s, fascists, white supremacists crossed a line there that negated any free speech considerations. 2. Somehow the point is also missed that indeed most if not all of the people in this discussion do respect freedom of speech even for Nazis. But what is also ignored is that: 3. Others have indeed the freedom of expression to tell the Nazi’s, fascists and white supremacists that their views are deplorable. 4. It is indeed crucial for anyone that is just defending Nazi’s, fascists and white supremacists **just** for free speech reasons to also use their free speech to leave the point that indeed killing people to stop the free speech of people that denounce fascists and white supremacists should not be tolerated. And as me and many others have done in the past: it is indeed crucial for many moderates and conservatives that do believe in the American way to tell them, even at the risk of losing their friendship, that fascist or white supremacy ideas should not be considered. That is because while we are discussing this one of my biggest fears of electing Trump is happening: many conservatives are giving too much oxygen to the Nazi’s, fascists and white supremacists. [http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/348647-poll-gop-voters-say-news-media-poses-greater-threat-to-us-than](http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/348647-poll-gop-voters-say-news-media-poses-greater-threat-to-us-than) > [@](#): > > Poll: GOP voters say news media poses greater threat to US than white supremacists > > A new Fox News poll released Wednesday finds that an overwhelming 69 percent of Republican voters believe the news media poses a greater threat to the United States than white supremacists. > [@](#): > > In the same poll, 70 percent of all respondents said President Trump hates the news media more than he hates white supremacists. That number includes 83 percent of Democrats and 53 percent of Republicans. > > Participants were also polled on their view of Trump’s response to violence in Charlottesville, Va., earlier this month. Trump initially blamed “many sides” for the violence that resulted in one death and dozens of injuries when white supremacists clashed with anti-racist protesters at a rally they had organized to protest the removal of a Confederate statue. > > The responses were split among party lines, with 72 percent of Republicans approving of Trump’s response to the violence and 91 percent of Democrats disapproving. [http://thehill.com/blogs/pundits-blog/national-party-news/346653-a-view-from-a-pollster-on-trump-and-race-animus](http://thehill.com/blogs/pundits-blog/national-party-news/346653-a-view-from-a-pollster-on-trump-and-race-animus) > [@](#): > > While of course not all Trump voters were motivated by race, Trump’s candidacy gave oxygen to many voters’ worst tendencies. Public Religion Research Institute showed worries about “cultural displacement,” and support for deportation of undocumented immigrants were better predictors of Trump support among the white working class than economic fears. Pew found in multiple surveys major differences on immigration between Trump voters and non-Trump Republican primary voters. Other outlets further confirm. To suggest racial tensions didn’t contribute to Trump’s rise is to simply ignore the obvious or wish it wasn’t so. His presidency so far has shown no sign of shifting gears. ---
**Author:** ![mikecurtis](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mikecurtis/32/3284_2.png) [@mikecurtis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mikecurtis)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2017, 6:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-either-get-to-call-everyone-you-dont-like-a-nazi/794305/58 "2017-09-03T18:20:59Z")
> [@GIGObuster](#): > > 1. It is indeed crucial for anyone that is just defending Nazi’s, fascists and white supremacists **just** for free speech reasons to also use their free speech to leave the point that indeed killing people to stop the free speech of people that denounce fascists and white supremacists should not be tolerated. And as me and many others have done in the past: it is indeed crucial for many moderates and conservatives that do believe in the American way to tell them, even at the risk of losing their friendship, that fascist or white supremacy ideas should not be considered. And this is where you and the rest of your “of course they must be nazi sympathiser” despicable friends go off the rails. These can be and often are two separate discussions! If I, or anyone, defend the the absolute right to free speech (and yes I mean ABSOLUTE) for everyone and even if I say that everyone includes such despicable groups as nazis, klan members, and even GIGObusters I am under NO OBLIGATION to express my own views on whether or not this speech is approriate. If you can’t separate someones views about whether or not free speech includes hate speech, from whether they endorse WHAT’S IN that speech then that’s your problem and not anyone else’s! mc ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2017, 6:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-either-get-to-call-everyone-you-dont-like-a-nazi/794305/59 "2017-09-03T18:30:42Z")
> [@mikecurtis](#): > > And this is where you and the rest of your “of course they must be nazi sympathiser” despicable friends go off the rails. These can be and often are two separate discussions! As one that also participated ijn other discussions, sure, I do think that some hyperbole has taken place, but my points stand. > [@mikecurtis](#): > > If I, or anyone, defend the the absolute right to free speech (and yes I mean ABSOLUTE) for everyone and even if I say that everyone includes such despicable groups as nazis, klan members, and even GIGObusters I am under NO OBLIGATION to express my own views on whether or not this speech is approriate. If you can’t separate someones views about whether or not free speech includes hate speech, from whether they endorse WHAT’S IN that speech then that’s your problem and not anyone else’s! > > mc That is fine, but the point I made was also related to a property that I have seen most conservatives here use: That of ignoring that we are here also defending the free speech of the people that were shot or run over by Nazi’s, fascists and white supremacists. Also: > [@](#): > > I can’t remember where I heard this, but someone once said that defending a position by citing free speech is sort of the ultimate concession; you’re saying that the most compelling thing you can say for your position is that it’s not literally illegal to express. [http://forums.xkcd.com/viewtopic.php?t=108674](http://forums.xkcd.com/viewtopic.php?t=108674) ---
**Author:** ![mikecurtis](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mikecurtis/32/3284_2.png) [@mikecurtis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mikecurtis)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2017, 6:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-either-get-to-call-everyone-you-dont-like-a-nazi/794305/60 "2017-09-03T18:45:36Z")
> [@GIGObuster](#): > > That is because while we are discussing this one of my biggest fears of electing Trump is happening: many conservatives are giving too much oxygen to the Nazi’s, fascists and white supremacists. And If you really fear nazis and klan members then you should be encouraging them to speak up **more** and participate\*\* more\*\* in public discourse. Because right now actions to silence these groups give them a certain cache; than can say “if we weren’t right, those evil lefty libs wouldn’t be trying to silence us” When you push their discourse out of the public you make it easy for them to misrepresent what they actually stand for. Some people can be fooled into believing that it’s about standing up for white people’s rights against some new form of reverse discrimination. Or that the Confederacy was about protecting the state’s rights to self government. The beliefs of groups like the nazis can’t stand up to public scrutiny; they are exposed for the lies that they are. Groups like the Klan have been around for hundreds of years, we’ve even had several white supremacist Presidents before the current one, and yet they are still considered fringe groups. mc [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-either-get-to-call-everyone-you-dont-like-a-nazi/794305.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-either-get-to-call-everyone-you-dont-like-a-nazi/794305.md?page=4)