# You "fought for my freedoms"? which ones? **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [February 18, 2003, 2:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-fought-for-my-freedoms-which-ones/155885 "2003-02-18T14:37:26Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 2\ **Page:** 8
**Author:** ![Scylla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a5b964/32.png) [@Scylla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scylla)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2003, 3:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-fought-for-my-freedoms-which-ones/155885/141 "2003-02-28T15:33:15Z")
Dan: > [@](#): > > As I’ve said before, I do not believe that there is a positive ethical duty to comply with an order to join the military. I don’t really know that we have anything further to say then. A person who accepts the benefits of society but refuses to recognize a legitimate and binding obligation to that society is contemptible from an ethical standpoint. A person who refuses to acknowledge his obligations has no ethics. ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2003, 3:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-fought-for-my-freedoms-which-ones/155885/142 "2003-02-28T15:42:55Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Scylla \* > \*\*A person who refuses to acknowledge his obligations has no ethics. \*\* I disagree. I think someone can, for example, fight in an unjust war and still have ethics; they just have mistaken ethics. Although their behavior is contemptible and to be condemned in the strongest terms, they themselves are not contemptible. They are just making a deadly mistake. Daniel [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-fought-for-my-freedoms-which-ones/155885.md?page=7)