# You fucked up, home-schooling, Jehovah Witness, MURDERING pieces of shits. **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [November 13, 2001, 4:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-fucked-up-home-schooling-jehovah-witness-murdering-pieces-of-shits/93139 "2001-11-13T16:49:48Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Gaspode](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/aeb1de/32.png) [@Gaspode](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gaspode)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2001, 4:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-fucked-up-home-schooling-jehovah-witness-murdering-pieces-of-shits/93139/61 "2001-11-14T04:48:18Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by NaSultainne \* > \*\*Sure wish someone’d linked an article on this. Didn’t make the news here in Seattle, far as I can tell. > \*\* > [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by beagledave \* > \*\*The dad occasionally [paused](http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/chicago/chi-0111130021nov13.story?coll=chi%2Dnewslocalchicago%2Dhed) to rest, so he could continue beating the girl. \*\* I could be nice about this, but in keeping with the spirit of the Pit: Read the bloody thread you mindless,lazy,whiny prick. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Wendell\_Wagner](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/8491ac/32.png) [@Wendell\_Wagner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wendell_Wagner)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2001, 4:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-fucked-up-home-schooling-jehovah-witness-murdering-pieces-of-shits/93139/62 "2001-11-14T04:52:05Z")
TwistofFate writes: \> Steve I got the reference, and for bonus points ( and \> pints at Londope) what job description did Swift hold \> while he was writing? He was Dean of St. Patrick’s Cathedral in Dublin. ---
**Author:** ![Badtz\_Maru](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/e36b37/32.png) [@Badtz\_Maru](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Badtz_Maru)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2001, 5:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-fucked-up-home-schooling-jehovah-witness-murdering-pieces-of-shits/93139/63 "2001-11-14T05:07:24Z")
Damn Llamasex, do you have to follow me EVERYWHERE??? 8^) ---
**Author:** ![Steve\_Wright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/848f3c/32.png) [@Steve\_Wright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steve_Wright)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2001, 9:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-fucked-up-home-schooling-jehovah-witness-murdering-pieces-of-shits/93139/64 "2001-11-14T09:58:07Z")
I see **Wendell Wagner** beat me to it. **Wendell** , now you’ll have to come to LonDope so **Twisty** can buy you a pint. And now, South American ruminant abuse. I read **llamasex** ’s initial comment (I didn’t laugh) and thought a) he was being facetious, b) this is not a good place to be facetious. Hell, _I’m_ facetious. You may have noticed **TwistofFate** posted two different versions of his question to me; that’s because he’s a wily person and he realised I’d answer > [@](#): > > Steve I got the reference, and for bonus points ( and pints at Londope) what position did Swift hold while he was writing? with “seated”. Which is fine, or at least good enough to amuse me. But I know there are some hot-button issues where people often feel humour is inappropriate - so, although I often use black humour to deal with a horrible situation, I will bite my lip and keep my flippancy to myself. Because, in these situations, mere facetiousness will likely cause genuine offense, to those who _don’t_ view humour as a legitimate coping mechanism. It’s just a question of respecting other people’s sensitivities. I cracked jokes about my father’s funeral - but I didn’t do it _at_ my father’s funeral. You have to know where you can be flippant without causing offense. Hopefully, **llamasex** now knows this, and we can all stop flaming him. ---
**Author:** ![psychogumby](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/c0e974/32.png) [@psychogumby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/psychogumby)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2001, 10:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-fucked-up-home-schooling-jehovah-witness-murdering-pieces-of-shits/93139/65 "2001-11-14T10:40:37Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by MGibson \* > \*\* > > > [@](#): > > > > \*Originally posted by Soda \* > > \*\* > > > > > [@](#): > > > > > > \*Originally posted by llamasex \* > > > \*\*I think you are being a bit harsh, the daughter doesn’t disobey her parents anymore. \*\* > > > > Please explain why you thought this was a good thing to say. > > Moron. \*\* > > Dark humor. It made me giggle.\*\* Overreacting PC zealots with [cartman] sand in their vaginas[/cartman] crying to moderators make me giggle ---
**Author:** ![Astroboy14](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/df705f/32.png) [@Astroboy14](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Astroboy14)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2001, 10:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-fucked-up-home-schooling-jehovah-witness-murdering-pieces-of-shits/93139/66 "2001-11-14T10:53:06Z")
Folks, I will expose myself to flaming here; but for what it’s worth, this has been blown all out of proportion. [sup]I disagree with many people whom I respect and admire on these boards. Oh my God![/sup] Yes, **llama** ’s post was assholish, in the context of this thread… but none of him know him IRL, do we? Is he an asshole? Maybe, but maybe not… If a bunch of my friends and I were sitting around talking of the horrific murder of this poor little girl, someone (maybe even ME) might say the same thing as **llama** said _I think you are being a bit harsh, the daughter doesn’t disobey her parents anymore._… and it would be taken either as: 1. a joke (and probably would get a response of “Dude, that’s not funny!”) or 1. an ironic comment on the human state (in which case the response would probably be “Yeah…” **Heavy sigh** “People suck…”) Give **llama** the benefit of the doubt, and don’t label him a troll simply because of this thread… (or the other thread which was closed before I could comment). He made a bad joke, which was not accepted well, and then he responded to the criticism badly…that’s all! That, alone, does not a troll make, in my opinion. (I’ll have to see what other post he has made before I can judge that… and I haven’t done so yet.) Please, let’s just move on to other things… ---
**Author:** ![Astroboy14](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/df705f/32.png) [@Astroboy14](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Astroboy14)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2001, 11:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-fucked-up-home-schooling-jehovah-witness-murdering-pieces-of-shits/93139/67 "2001-11-14T11:15:51Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Steve Wright \* > \*\*It’s just a question of respecting other people’s sensitivities. I cracked jokes about my father’s funeral - but I didn’t do it _at_ my father’s funeral. You have to know where you can be flippant without causing offense. Hopefully, **llamasex** now knows this, and we can all stop flaming him. \*\* Well… I cracked jokes **at** my mother’s funeral, to my brother, in a whisper… and I made him almost laugh once or twice! I agree that you have to be careful of other people’s sensitivities; you have to know when, where, and to whom you can make black humor jokes… my brother understood that I was just cracking jokes to keep myself from collapsing in grief. I think it helped him, also. We both loved our mother dearly, and losing her so quickly was devastating. (I can’t speak for my bro, but I still dream about her… 7 years after her untimely death!) Every day I say, under my breath, “I love you, Mom!” I believe she can hear me… That’s as may be. Back to the point: black humor is a sensitive subject… and I’m willing to give **llama** the benefit of the doubt. To this day, if I say, “When I die…” my brother will say, “Yeah, yeah, I know… bury you in a balsa wood coffin!” The rest of the family will be confused, but my bro and I understand… Mom’s coffin was freaking _heavy_!! And we had to carry it! If that little joke offends you, then (respectfully) too bad. She was MY Mom, she died, and my bro and I carried the coffin containing her body from the church to her grave… deal with our black humor. We need it. ---
**Author:** ![GrizzRich](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/7ba0ec/32.png) [@GrizzRich](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GrizzRich)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2001, 2:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-fucked-up-home-schooling-jehovah-witness-murdering-pieces-of-shits/93139/68 "2001-11-14T14:05:35Z")
\ “Mr Slack…” (GrizzRich displays the open end of a drinking straw) “this is your rectum before prison.” . . . . . . . (GrizzRich displays a hula-hoop) “this is your rectum AFTER prison.” . . . “Any questions?” ---
**Author:** ![Earthworm\_Jim](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/f07891/32.png) [@Earthworm\_Jim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Earthworm_Jim)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2001, 3:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-fucked-up-home-schooling-jehovah-witness-murdering-pieces-of-shits/93139/69 "2001-11-14T15:29:28Z")
Just for the sake of reference, where in the bible is the “40 minus one times 3” thing stated? Also, has the guy made any kind of statement that this is why he decided his actions were appropriate? ---
**Author:** ![Steve\_Wright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/848f3c/32.png) [@Steve\_Wright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steve_Wright)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2001, 4:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-fucked-up-home-schooling-jehovah-witness-murdering-pieces-of-shits/93139/70 "2001-11-14T16:26:39Z")
Good point **Beelzebubba**. The only Scriptural basis seems to come from 2 Corinthians 11:24 - “Five times I have received at the hands of the Jews the forty lashes less one.” Apparently, by the time of St. Paul, the maximum number of lashes for any one offence had been reduced from forty to thirty-nine; the forty limit is set in Deuteronomy 25:1-3 - “If there is a dispute between men, and they come into court, and the judges decide between them, acquitting the innocent and condemning the guilty, [sup]2[/sup] then if the guilty man deserves to be beaten, the judge shall cause him to lie down and be beaten in his presence with a number of stripes in proportion to his offense. [sup]3[/sup] Forty stripes may be given him, but not more; lest, if one should go on to beat him with more stripes than these, your brother be degraded in your sight.” There’s nothing I’ve found so far that suggests this is anything other than a _maximum_ limit - and a maximum limit for adults, at that. The Slacks would seem to be reading a different Bible from me. ---
**Author:** ![llamasex](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/bbce88/32.png) [@llamasex](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/llamasex)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2001, 5:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-fucked-up-home-schooling-jehovah-witness-murdering-pieces-of-shits/93139/71 "2001-11-14T17:19:15Z")
I didn’t react badly to people saying it wasn’t funny, I reacted badly to the fact people couldn’t tell it was a joke, what did people seriously think I thought it was a good Idea for this man to beat his child. I thought people around here (seems to be one of the more intelligent forums) would be able to figure this one out without the help of a rolleyes. on that point they should have been able to keep the other kids, I bet those little brats will be really well behaved now. (posting from Comdex BTW):eek: :o :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![CrankyAsAnOldMan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crankyasanoldman/32/11670_2.png) [@CrankyAsAnOldMan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CrankyAsAnOldMan)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2001, 5:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-fucked-up-home-schooling-jehovah-witness-murdering-pieces-of-shits/93139/72 "2001-11-14T17:31:58Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by NaSultainne \* > \*\*Sure wish someone’d linked an article on this. Didn’t make the news here in Seattle, far as I can tell. > > That said, what caught my eye was the order in the OP title: > **Homeschooling, Jehovah Witness, MURDERING** etc. > > Nice priority to the rant there. Homeschooling had exactly _what_ to do with this despicable crime? And of course, though I’m not one myself, all JW’s advocate child beatings to the death. > > I \*\* Thank you so very much for making this point. I know homeschoolers who have never laid a hand on their child in anger. And my one JW friend can quote the bible backwards and forwards, but she’s the first one I turn to for advice on how to use non-physical methods of discipline because she refuses to spank or hit as discipline. I think these parents are sick, and the sickness has nothing to do with the other things you identified them with. I mean, modifying “Murdering pieces of shits” with “Home-schooling” and “Jehovoah Witness” seems as bizarre and unrelated to me as modifying it with “Freckled” or “Volvo-driving.” It betrays a bias and/or generalization that is unfair and inaccurate. ---
**Author:** ![DavisMcDavis](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/dfb087/32.png) [@DavisMcDavis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DavisMcDavis)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2001, 6:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-fucked-up-home-schooling-jehovah-witness-murdering-pieces-of-shits/93139/73 "2001-11-14T18:12:08Z")
I thought **llamasex’s** comment was funny and actually very appropriate. What was inappropriate was a father beating his kid to death. You know, this reminds me of two other offensive jokes: > [@](#): > > Q: What’s the first thing a woman does when she gets home from the battered women’s shelter? > > A: The dishes, if she knows what’s good for her! > [@](#): > > Q: How many feminists does it take to screw in a lightbulb? > > A: THAT’S NOT FUNNY!:mad: ---
**Author:** ![Hamlet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hamlet/32/2818_2.png) [@Hamlet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hamlet)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2001, 6:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-fucked-up-home-schooling-jehovah-witness-murdering-pieces-of-shits/93139/74 "2001-11-14T18:32:32Z")
I have nothing against home-schooling. I have nothing against Jehovah’s Witnesses (except the ones who keep leaving phamplets at my door). The title, and a great majority of the OP was written in a rage. My word choice may not have been the best or most appropriate. Mea Culpa. That being said, I agree with cazzle: > [@](#): > > Well, to begin with, it isolates the children from adults who may realise that they are being abused and try help them. I am not saying parents who home school are more likely to abuse and kill their kids; nor that there is anything wrong with homeschooling. However, if the poor girl wasn’t homeschooled, maybe, _just maybe_ she would be alive today. As to the Jehovah’s Witnesses, in my O.P. I said: > [@](#): > > The death of a child is horrible. The MURDER of a child is unfathomably evil. The MURDER of you OWN child, under the guise of being in RELIGIOUS accordance with the Bible is beyond words. Murdering a child while in your own twisted mind thinking you’re doing God’s work is appalling to me. I agree with the other poster who pointed out that the sub-humans who did this were not true “Jehovah’s Witnesses.” However, they thought they were in accordance to their own religous beliefs, which they identified themselves as being devout Jehovah’s witnesses. Murder a kid, unbelievably bad. Murder a kid on the word of God, even worse. My God is a loving, caring God, and these shitheads think their A.O.K. with him/her/it. Hence I called them “sanctimonious, faux-religious, evil, evil, evil, wastes of flesh.” If I offended anyone, I apologize. ---
**Author:** ![Mtgman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/b5a626/32.png) [@Mtgman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mtgman)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2001, 6:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-fucked-up-home-schooling-jehovah-witness-murdering-pieces-of-shits/93139/75 "2001-11-14T18:36:54Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by cazzle \* > \*\* > > > [@](#): > > > > \*Originally posted by PhiloVance \* > > \*\*WTF does ‘home schooling’ have to do with it. 😕 \*\* > > Well, to begin with, it isolates the children from adults who may realise that they are being abused and try help them. \*\* This is an non-sequitor. It does not follow that being in public schools means a child will be in contact with an adult who will take action to prevent these abuses. An abusive family can get away with this kind of thing regardless of where/how their children spend their time. I grew up across the street from a family who abused their children. I was good friends with the boy, who was about my age, and he told some horror stories of when he was younger(one night when he was very young and his bones were not very hard his father amused himself by literally tying his legs into a knot. He could’t walk for months.) By the time they moved to my neighborhood they had stopped most of the abuse. Part of this was because they had one of their sons taken away from them by CPS, but they left my friend and his younger sister, both of whom were (by my standards at least) still abused. There were several times in those few years when the police visited our neighbors and the father, piss drunk, would stand shirtless on his porch and argue with them. Eventually the boy moved out(he lived with us for a year or so) and the rest moved away. CPS did not protect my friend and his sister, regardless of how often they were socializing or attending school. The concerns of people like my family came to naught. If a family wishes to abuse their children, there is very little society can do about it without turning into a police state. As heartless as it sounds, I think the possiblity of crimes like this is the lesser of the two evils. Home-schooling is a remarkable phenomenon. It does not deserve poster children like this family and the Yates family. I shudder any time I hear the term “home-school” assosciated with people like this. Steven ---
**Author:** ![gobear](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/8dc957/32.png) [@gobear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gobear)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2001, 6:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-fucked-up-home-schooling-jehovah-witness-murdering-pieces-of-shits/93139/76 "2001-11-14T18:49:32Z")
> [@](#): > > I know homeschoolers who have never laid a hand on their child in anger. And my one JW friend can quote the bible backwards and forwards, but she’s the first one I turn to for advice on how to use non-physical methods of discipline because she refuses to spank or hit as discipline Well, it is a stretch to say that all JW’s or homeschoolers, you can’t deny that a great many vicious people use the Bible as justification for their cruelty to children. And to everybody who thinks **Llamasex** ’s comments were humorous: I don’t find joking about a child being beatne to death the least bit funny. I was physically and emotionally abused by my mother’s second husband, the Stepmonster, from 5 to 13, when my mom finally divorced the sick SOB. I’m talking slammed into walls, being beaten with extension cord, getting punched and slapped, constantly being told how stupid and inferior I was, and threatend with more beatings if I talked too loud while he was sleeping, if I left toys out, or if I looked at him defiantly. I spent my childhood in fear. Just reading this thread brings out a lava of hatred and anger towards that evil, evil man. Yeah, sick humor can be funny. I can understand folks who laugh at funerals as stress relief. People gotta grieve in their own ways. I understand the idea of “whistling past the graveyard” and why people are merry at an Irish wake, so you needn’t talk down to me. Child abuse isn’t funny to me. But, hey, go ahead and yock it up. I’m sure this rant meant nothing to any of you. ---
**Author:** ![pohjonen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pohjonen/32/423_2.png) [@pohjonen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pohjonen)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2001, 7:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-fucked-up-home-schooling-jehovah-witness-murdering-pieces-of-shits/93139/77 "2001-11-14T19:39:05Z")
In Finnish use: Äitisi nai poroja! meaning your mother copulates with reindeer. Save it for someone who has REALLY pissed you off. ---
**Author:** ![pohjonen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pohjonen/32/423_2.png) [@pohjonen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pohjonen)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2001, 8:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-fucked-up-home-schooling-jehovah-witness-murdering-pieces-of-shits/93139/78 "2001-11-14T20:01:57Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by pohjonen \* > \*\*In Finnish use: > > Äitisi nai poroja! > > meaning your mother copulates with reindeer. Save it for someone who has REALLY pissed you off. \*\* wrong thread. (Flogging self) ---
**Author:** ![Bhudda](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/57b2e6/32.png) [@Bhudda](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bhudda)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2001, 8:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-fucked-up-home-schooling-jehovah-witness-murdering-pieces-of-shits/93139/79 "2001-11-14T20:22:10Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Hamlet \* > \*\*“40 lashes minus one” \*\* Just for a little info, this performed one time is considered just short of execution. It was considered that 40 lashes would kill a legionnaire of the Roman Army, and was commonly a sentence given for execution. I might believe in spanking, but to use an electric cord on a child is evil. To give a child more than one or two spats is wrong. What they did is act of torture and murder. ---
**Author:** ![andros](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e480ec/32.png) [@andros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/andros)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2001, 8:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-fucked-up-home-schooling-jehovah-witness-murdering-pieces-of-shits/93139/80 "2001-11-14T20:35:21Z")
> [@](#): > > Child abuse isn’t funny to me. But, hey, go ahead and yock it up. I’m sure this rant meant nothing to any of you. And yet you understand humor about death in general, which is just as offensive to some people as the death of a child is to you. I truly am sorry for all the awful things that have happened to you. I could tell stories about my past, as well. But apparently those would be completely irrelevant because I’m so irredeemably evil. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-fucked-up-home-schooling-jehovah-witness-murdering-pieces-of-shits/93139.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-fucked-up-home-schooling-jehovah-witness-murdering-pieces-of-shits/93139.md?page=5)