# You idiots buzzed WHAT in NYC? **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [April 28, 2009, 3:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-idiots-buzzed-what-in-nyc/494585 "2009-04-28T03:26:05Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2009, 7:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-idiots-buzzed-what-in-nyc/494585/61 "2009-04-28T19:57:01Z")
> [@Angry Lurker](#): > > What a bunch of pussies you Americans are :rolleyes: > > The next serious terrorist attack on your shores is not going to be an aircraft flown into a building; or if it is then it won’t be a civilian passenger aircraft. I can’t tell you what I will be because I don’t know - the entire point is that it will be highly imaginative and unexpected. > > I saw a survey recently showing Americans are the most frightened people on earth. Maybe this is because you’ve never known real fear. Come back when you morph into Smart Lurker. We’re overstocked on stupid as it is. ---
**Author:** ![Happy\_Poster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/c89c15/32.png) [@Happy\_Poster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Happy_Poster)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2009, 8:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-idiots-buzzed-what-in-nyc/494585/62 "2009-04-28T20:21:05Z")
Ok **Sauron** , this has to be the easiest cite in the world, [here’s an interesting google](http://www.google.com/search?q=americans+scared+survey&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8) and you’ll find it there somewhere no doubt. I don’t really see much reason to backup what is entirely obvious to practically anyone. I think it is probably linked with your country’s excessively religious nature, but that’s just a guess. As for you **Ogre** I honestly thought this was going to be a satirical thread when I opened it. That’s how ridiculous this seems to me. I’ve lived with terrorism for my entire life, the majority funded by your country men. I know what the 747s used as Air Force One look like, I’m sure any New Yorker with a brain would as well, and it should have been entirely obvious what was going on. ---
**Author:** ![Happy\_Poster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/c89c15/32.png) [@Happy\_Poster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Happy_Poster)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2009, 8:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-idiots-buzzed-what-in-nyc/494585/63 "2009-04-28T20:25:59Z")
> [@niblet\_head](#): > > Well, maybe. That and the fact that there are alot of “authorities” that seek to scare the bejeebus out of us for their own ends/profits all day long (ie - the government and the television news). I don’t know how it is in the land of your people, but you have to actively work to avoid the constant sky is falling propoganda. It’s freakin’ everywhere. > > (The fact that we fall for these ridiculous scare tactics, I have not enough rollie eyes for.) I also saw us Brits are getting extremely afraid as well, indeed there was a survey less than a week ago showing that. I was thinking of emigrating to the US had the pubs stayed in power in fact. As it is I am probably going to Canada (emigration is a certainty, they have just raised income tax here to over 50%, the country is disintegrating under a tide of political correctness, chavs, crime and a brain drain; no point in hanging around; I am actually close to being close to tears typing this and could ramble on for paragraphs about what has happened, but the UK is completely fucked) ---
**Author:** ![LilShieste](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/9f8e36/32.png) [@LilShieste](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LilShieste)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2009, 8:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-idiots-buzzed-what-in-nyc/494585/64 "2009-04-28T20:26:02Z")
> [@Angry Lurker](#): > > I’ve lived with terrorism for my entire life, the majority funded by your country men. I know what the 747s used as Air Force One look like, I’m sure any New Yorker with a brain would as well, and it should have been entirely obvious what was going on. I liked you better when you were an angry lurker. Obviously, the first thing every New Yorker _should_ have thought was, “Meh. I bet it’s just some photo-op for the White House.” ---
**Author:** ![Happy\_Poster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/c89c15/32.png) [@Happy\_Poster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Happy_Poster)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2009, 8:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-idiots-buzzed-what-in-nyc/494585/65 "2009-04-28T20:28:55Z")
> [@LilShieste](#): > > I liked you better when you were an angry lurker. > > Obviously, the first thing every New Yorker _should_ have thought was, “Meh. I bet it’s just some photo-op for the White House.” You think that someone hijacked air force one? This focus on airliners is stupid. It is impossible to hijack a civvy airliner in the US now. Private jets are just about possible I suppose. The next terrorist attack you have will take you by complete surprise, and part of the reason will be that you are still looking at that big blue plane in the sky 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Yeticus\_Rex](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/a698b9/32.png) [@Yeticus\_Rex](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Yeticus_Rex)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2009, 8:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-idiots-buzzed-what-in-nyc/494585/66 "2009-04-28T20:29:25Z")
I believe I had heard that it was about $40K/hr. for this photo op. I could have ran to Best Buy, buy some photoshop software, loaded it, photoshopped AF-1 on top of the New York skyline, the Statue of Liberty, even engine-waking Central Park clean, and charged a paltry $1,000 for that hour without fraying the nerves of millions, and saving The Taxpayers $39K. Awwww, that’s right…the gubmint is gonna say my services weren’t that specialized to earn $1000/hr., and that I should return all of it or get taxed at 100%. Awwww, screw it then; I guess “they” know best. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2009, 8:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-idiots-buzzed-what-in-nyc/494585/67 "2009-04-28T20:29:47Z")
> [@Angry Lurker](#): > > As it is I am probably going to Canada Please don’t. ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2009, 8:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-idiots-buzzed-what-in-nyc/494585/68 "2009-04-28T20:31:35Z")
> [@Angry Lurker](#): > > You think that someone hijacked air force one? > > This focus on airliners is stupid. It is impossible to hijack a civvy airliner in the US now. Private jets are just about possible I suppose. Never say something is impossible. Someone, somewhere can always find a way. ---
**Author:** ![Happy\_Poster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/c89c15/32.png) [@Happy\_Poster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Happy_Poster)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2009, 8:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-idiots-buzzed-what-in-nyc/494585/69 "2009-04-28T20:32:05Z")
> [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > Please don’t. I’ll buy you a drink 🙂 If I am coming off as an arsehole, that isn’t intentional. I am just a straight talker. ---
**Author:** ![LilShieste](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/9f8e36/32.png) [@LilShieste](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LilShieste)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2009, 8:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-idiots-buzzed-what-in-nyc/494585/70 "2009-04-28T20:35:23Z")
> [@Angry Lurker](#): > > You think that someone hijacked air force one? If I saw a plane flying that low to the ground, in Manhattan, being “escorted” by some fighter jets, I don’t even know if I would have considered the possibility of it being Air Force One. Perhaps I would have prior to 9/11, but certainly not afterwards. > [@Angry Lurker](#): > > This focus on airliners is stupid. It is impossible to hijack a civvy airliner in the US now. Private jets are just about possible I suppose. I partially agree - I doubt that the next attempted attack will follow the same approach used on 9/11. But, that surely doesn’t mean that we should discount it altogether. [QUOTE=Yeticus Rex] I believe I had heard that it was about $40K/hr. for this photo op. I could have ran to Best Buy, buy some photoshop software, loaded it, photoshopped AF-1 on top of the New York skyline, the Statue of Liberty, even engine-waking Central Park clean, and charged a paltry $1,000 for that hour without fraying the nerves of millions, and saving The Taxpayers $39K. Awwww, that’s right…the gubmint is gonna say my services weren’t that specialized to earn $1000/hr., and that I should return all of it or get taxed at 100%. Awwww, screw it then; I guess “they” know best. [/quote] I like taquitos. ---
**Author:** ![Happy\_Poster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/c89c15/32.png) [@Happy\_Poster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Happy_Poster)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2009, 8:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-idiots-buzzed-what-in-nyc/494585/71 "2009-04-28T20:37:31Z")
> [@SteveG1](#): > > Never say something is impossible. Someone, somewhere can always find a way. Yes, impossible is the wrong word. Impractical is a better word. For example, certainly here the flight deck door is usually open before rollback, which certainly has the aircraft in a position for someone to go in and get it into the air - reverse thrust from gate, wander to runway and in 2 minutes flying time from LCY Big Ben is toast\* - how I’d do it if I were an Islamic extremist - but the fact is that these hijacks are going to be far harder than pre 9/11. Much better idea to go, Spanish Inquisition style, where no one expects you… \*I’m aware most a/c that use LCY don’t actually have reverse thrust, but then they can turn from where they’re parked. I’m using dramatic licence etc ---
**Author:** ![Bosstone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/22d042/32.png) [@Bosstone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bosstone)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2009, 8:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-idiots-buzzed-what-in-nyc/494585/72 "2009-04-28T20:38:21Z")
> [@Angry Lurker](#): > > If I am coming off as an arsehole, that isn’t intentional. I am just a straight talker. In other words, you’re an asshole. I’ve never seen anyone claim to be a “straight talker” who wasn’t a grade-A dickhead. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2009, 8:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-idiots-buzzed-what-in-nyc/494585/73 "2009-04-28T20:40:34Z")
> [@Angry Lurker](#): > > the country is disintegrating under a tide of political correctness, chavs, crime and a **brain drain** … You are joking, right? ---
**Author:** ![Sauron](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ce7236/32.png) [@Sauron](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sauron)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2009, 8:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-idiots-buzzed-what-in-nyc/494585/74 "2009-04-28T20:41:14Z")
> [@Angry Lurker](#): > > Ok **Sauron** , this has to be the easiest cite in the world, [here’s an interesting google](http://www.google.com/search?q=americans+scared+survey&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8) and you’ll find it there somewhere no doubt. I don’t really see much reason to backup what is entirely obvious to practically anyone. Um, no. What you’re providing isn’t a cite; it’s a listing of Google search results, one of which is “Who are American workers scared of at the office this Halloween” with “the boss” being the top choice. This doesn’t equate to Americans being the most frightened people on earth. What you need to provide is a survey showing Americans as being more frightened than any other nationality on the planet. That shouldn’t be hard, because (as you note) it’s “entirely obvious to practically anyone”; plus, you just saw the survey recently. Right? ---
**Author:** ![atomicbadgerrace](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/8e7dd6/32.png) [@atomicbadgerrace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/atomicbadgerrace)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2009, 8:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-idiots-buzzed-what-in-nyc/494585/75 "2009-04-28T20:46:35Z")
> [@Angry Lurker](#): > > You think that someone hijacked air force one? Nope, but in case you hadn’t noticed, it’s pretty damn difficult to distinguish the markings on that 747 [from the ground](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BMoy8JprKI0). It was particularly hot and hazy in NYC for April, and for many people, the aircraft looked no different than any other 747. When it’s pointed into the city and flying low, looking for markings is probably the last thing you’re going to do. The first, though? Clear your 40th floor office. > [@](#): > > This focus on airliners is stupid. It is impossible to hijack a civvy airliner in the US now. Private jets are just about possible I suppose. I’m sorry, what? This complacency is ignorant, at best. It’s nowhere near impossible to hijack a civilian airliner in the US, I’m sorry to say. I don’t know this because I’ve tried; I know this because my job makes me intimately familiar with the system. This is all beside the point, though, since you’ve become Super Awesome Mega Smart Future Telling Troll: > [@](#): > > The next terrorist attack you have will take you by complete surprise, and part of the reason will be that you are still looking at that big blue plane in the sky 🙂 Well well, aren’t we smug today? I’m glad your crystal ball is working – perhaps you should find some constructive way to share your foresight with the rest of the world. I’m usually the first to hop on the bandwagon that there are many aspects of 9/11 folks should get over and move on with. This, though? Idiocy. I don’t give a flying fuck where you got your “statistics” that Americans are scared. It’s irrelevant. The **fact** is, a lot of these same people living and working in NYC were there 8 years ago, and they “knew real fear” that day. Real fear caused by a pair of jet airliners crashing into buildings in their city, killing thousands. Real fear because a pair of jet airliners were pointed right at them. NYC residents aren’t alarmed at typical jet behavior; they know where jets fly in and out of LGA, JFK, EWR… the problem here is that this “clearly marked aircraft” couldn’t be clearly identified for what it was on the ground, and it was way out of step for any typical jet flying over NYC. It was flying low, several times pointing itself into downtown Manhattan. Followed by a fighter jet. Maybe they would’ve been able to prepare themselves for the sight if, you know, they had been alerted beforehand that a scene similar to 9/11 might unfold before their eyes this week. Stop being a troll. This was very upsetting for many people, and rightfully so. Several balls were dropped along the way, and I don’t think it’s out of line or histrionic to want those who dropped them to be hung up by _their_ balls. ---
**Author:** ![Happy\_Poster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/c89c15/32.png) [@Happy\_Poster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Happy_Poster)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2009, 8:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-idiots-buzzed-what-in-nyc/494585/76 "2009-04-28T20:47:01Z")
**Sauron** that is ridiculous, I am not the most savvy internet user at the best of times, why should I waste half an hour of my time trying to find this survey? For a start is there any reason you should disbelieve me? I am 100% certain of my recollection. ---
**Author:** ![Bosstone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/22d042/32.png) [@Bosstone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bosstone)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2009, 8:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-idiots-buzzed-what-in-nyc/494585/77 "2009-04-28T20:48:40Z")
> [@Angry Lurker](#): > > For a start is there any reason you should disbelieve me? Because it’s the internet, and you’re someone describing yourself as an angry straight talker. Well, I’m the King of Sweden, and I say you’re full of it. So there. ---
**Author:** ![Sauron](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ce7236/32.png) [@Sauron](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sauron)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2009, 8:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-idiots-buzzed-what-in-nyc/494585/78 "2009-04-28T20:50:05Z")
> [@Angry Lurker](#): > > **Sauron** that is ridiculous, I am not the most savvy internet user at the best of times, why should I waste half an hour of my time trying to find this survey? > > For a start is there any reason you should disbelieve me? > > I am 100% certain of my recollection. This is cool. I’ve never actually seen someone use “my post is my cite” before. You made the claim, Sparky. You gotta back it up, or take it back. ---
**Author:** ![LilShieste](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/9f8e36/32.png) [@LilShieste](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LilShieste)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2009, 8:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-idiots-buzzed-what-in-nyc/494585/79 "2009-04-28T20:50:09Z")
> [@Angry Lurker](#): > > **Sauron** that is ridiculous, I am not the most savvy internet user at the best of times, why should I waste half an hour of my time trying to find this survey? Were you a lurker for this message board, or a different one? If the former, then you should know by now that the poster making the claim is the poster that puts up the cite. ---
**Author:** ![Happy\_Poster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/c89c15/32.png) [@Happy\_Poster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Happy_Poster)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2009, 8:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-idiots-buzzed-what-in-nyc/494585/80 "2009-04-28T20:51:18Z")
> [@atomicbadgerrace](#): > > Stop being a troll. This was very upsetting for many people, and rightfully so. Several balls were dropped along the way, and I don’t think it’s out of line or histrionic to want those who dropped them to be hung up by _their_ balls. Where the fuck were you when you were financing the killing of hundreds of my countrymen and a couple of members of my family? Was 9/11 horrific? Of course. Was there anything that special about it? Only in the undeniable drama of the event and the magnitude of the people killed on that day by the actions of a small number of folks. But you wanna think about what Madam fucking Albright and her millions of children is an acceptable price quotation. This is cultural relativism at its most ridiculous. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-idiots-buzzed-what-in-nyc/494585.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-idiots-buzzed-what-in-nyc/494585.md?page=5)