# You Lost Me at "I Do" **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [September 15, 2005, 10:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-lost-me-at-i-do/321866 "2005-09-15T22:36:36Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Mr.Blue\_Sky](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/d26b3c/32.png) [@Mr.Blue\_Sky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.Blue_Sky)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2005, 1:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-lost-me-at-i-do/321866/21 "2005-09-16T13:49:56Z")
> [@Max Carnage](#): > > …just not Kenny’s. Hence the annulment. ---
**Author:** ![Otto](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/bbe5ce/32.png) [@Otto](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Otto)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2005, 4:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-lost-me-at-i-do/321866/22 "2005-09-16T16:33:47Z")
> [@Stonebow](#): > > Silly question: why an anullment rather than a divorce? I’m assuming because it’s faster and because if the marriage legally never existed then there are no community property issues. > [@Stonebow](#): > > What are grounds for anullment? Per [this site](http://www.saccourt.com/family/divorce/divorce.asp): > [@](#): > > Incest: incest means the spouses are close blood relatives. > > Bigamy: bigamy means a spouse was knowingly married to another living person at the time of marriage. > > Underage: underage means a spouse was below age 18 years at the time of marriage and did not obtain parental consent or a court order permitting the marriage. > > Prior Existing Marriage: prior existing marriage means a spouse married on the mistaken belief that his or her previous marriage had ended in the death of the other spouse, who in fact was still living. > > Unsound Mind: unsound mind means a spouse could not and has not formed the intent to marry due to a mental condition. > > Fraud: fraud means deception regarding a significant matter that led to the marriage and continued until the breakup. > > Force: force means threats or acts of harm were used to force one spouse into the marriage. > > Incapacity: incapacity means a spouse was and continues to be physically unable to consummate the marriage. ---
**Author:** ![Indygrrl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/58f4c7/32.png) [@Indygrrl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Indygrrl)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2005, 4:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-lost-me-at-i-do/321866/23 "2005-09-16T16:40:09Z")
> [@Little Nemo](#): > > Double or nothing if Jack White also gets a divorce and ends up back with Zellweger. Jack is way too good for her. Plus, he actually has talent. ---
**Author:** ![SolGrundy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bbce88/32.png) [@SolGrundy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SolGrundy)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2005, 8:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-lost-me-at-i-do/321866/24 "2005-09-16T20:11:31Z")
> [@Carm6773](#): > > You might have something there, because I just heard the reason for the annulment is FRAUD. From what I hear, Zellweger was deliberately misleading Chesney as to the exact degree of sexiness she found in his tractor. ---
**Author:** ![middleman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e9a140/32.png) [@middleman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/middleman)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2005, 8:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-lost-me-at-i-do/321866/25 "2005-09-16T20:34:05Z")
**Otto** , did she file for an annulment in California or Texas? ---
**Author:** ![Otto](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/bbe5ce/32.png) [@Otto](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Otto)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2005, 12:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-lost-me-at-i-do/321866/26 "2005-09-17T00:12:03Z")
> [@middleman](#): > > **Otto** , did she file for an annulment in California or Texas? I don’t know; I assumed California based on Renee’s being a big ol’ movie star. Grounds for annulment in [Texas](http://www.capitol.state.tx.us/statutes/docs/FA/content/htm/fa.001.00.000006.00.htm) are: Underage, over 14 but under 18; Marriage under the influence of alcohol or drugs; Impotency Fraud, duress or force; Mental incapacity; Concealed divorce; Marriage less than 72 hours after issue of marriage license. ---
**Author:** ![SnakesCatLady](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/4af34b/32.png) [@SnakesCatLady](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SnakesCatLady)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2005, 12:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-lost-me-at-i-do/321866/27 "2005-09-17T00:34:55Z")
Wonder what the fraud was. And, Jack White is married? ewwwwwwwwwwww ---
**Author:** ![DanBlather](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/f4b2a3/32.png) [@DanBlather](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DanBlather)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2005, 12:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-lost-me-at-i-do/321866/28 "2005-09-17T00:37:54Z")
I thought he had her at “Howdy”. ---
**Author:** ![DanBlather](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/f4b2a3/32.png) [@DanBlather](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DanBlather)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2005, 12:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-lost-me-at-i-do/321866/29 "2005-09-17T00:39:11Z")
> [@Snakescatlady](#): > > Wonder what the fraud was. His dog didn’t die and his pickup truck runs. ---
**Author:** ![DiosaBellissima](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a8b319/32.png) [@DiosaBellissima](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DiosaBellissima)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2005, 12:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-lost-me-at-i-do/321866/30 "2005-09-17T00:52:29Z")
> [@SolGrundy](#): > > From what I hear, Zellweger was deliberately misleading Chesney as to the exact degree of sexiness she found in his tractor. _I guess she didn’t think his tractor was sexy. It really didn’t turn her on. She wasn’t starin’ at him, while he was chuggin’ along. She didn’t like the way it was pullin’ while he was tillin’ up the land. She was not crazy about his farmers’ tan. She really doesn’t get him. Too bad, it would have worked if she just thought his tractor was sexy._ You all have to admit that it was weird she married her stalker (the man wrote a song about her long before he ever met her!). On the local radio station yesterday when they made the announcement, the DJ said, “I think I know what the fraud is, but the head guy here at the station said I can’t say.” . . . righty-o then! Diosabellissima (Dancing across her room to “She thinks my tractor’s sexy”) ---
**Author:** ![twickster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ec9cab/32.png) [@twickster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/twickster)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2005, 12:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-lost-me-at-i-do/321866/31 "2005-09-17T00:53:52Z")
Apparently she released a statement today saying something along the lines of “fraud is just a legal term, and doesn’t reflect in any way on his value as a human being.” Glad we got that straightened out. Apparently (IOW, I’m too lazy to find cites on all this crap), Dr. Phil predicted at the time that the marriage would last “four months.” Heh. That Dr. Phil. What a scamp. ---
**Author:** ![DiosaBellissima](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a8b319/32.png) [@DiosaBellissima](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DiosaBellissima)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2005, 1:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-lost-me-at-i-do/321866/32 "2005-09-17T01:21:26Z")
> [@twickster](#): > > Apparently (IOW, I’m too lazy to find cites on all this crap), Dr. Phil predicted at the time that the marriage would last “four months.” Heh. That Dr. Phil. What a scamp. He said that on some TV show that wasn’t his. Maybe it was Conan? Maybe it was Leno? I remember seeing it though. He was booed when he said it, too. Bet those audience members eating crow now! Haha! (ok, not really) ---
**Author:** ![middleman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e9a140/32.png) [@middleman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/middleman)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2005, 2:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-lost-me-at-i-do/321866/33 "2005-09-17T02:12:50Z")
> [@DiosaBellissima](#): > > He said that on some TV show that wasn’t his. Maybe it was Conan? Maybe it was Leno? I remember seeing it though. He was booed when he said it, too. Bet those audience members eating crow now! Haha! (ok, not really) Right or wrong isn’t that crappy for a guy who wants to “help” people to predict doom? ---
**Author:** ![DiosaBellissima](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a8b319/32.png) [@DiosaBellissima](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DiosaBellissima)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2005, 2:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-lost-me-at-i-do/321866/34 "2005-09-17T02:58:47Z")
> [@middleman](#): > > Right or wrong isn’t that crappy for a guy who wants to “help” people to predict doom? No, not really. He was saying, “Look normal people, don’t do this. This is dumb and will never work out. Take your time yadda yadda yadda” Granted, it isn’t the _nicest_ thing to doom a marriage, but I give him credit for callin’ 'em as he sees 'em\*. \*And I hate Dr. Phil. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2005, 3:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-lost-me-at-i-do/321866/35 "2005-09-17T03:16:03Z")
> [@](#): > > Apparently she released a statement today saying something along the lines of “fraud is just a legal term, and doesn’t reflect in any way on his value as a human being.” So what do you call it if you use the word fraud when you don’t believe it’s true? ---
**Author:** ![Larry\_Mudd](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/f14d63/32.png) [@Larry\_Mudd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Larry_Mudd)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2005, 3:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-lost-me-at-i-do/321866/36 "2005-09-17T03:22:51Z")
Count me among the crowd parsing it as “He entered into this marriage under the pretense that he had a sexual interest in women, and it turns out that he likes his bread buttered on the other side. _Not that there’s anything wrong with that._” ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2005, 3:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-lost-me-at-i-do/321866/37 "2005-09-17T03:27:30Z")
> [@](#): > > And, Jack White is married? ewwwwwwwwwwww White and Zellweger were in a relationship for about two years. They broke up around September 2004. As late as February 2005, Zellweger was saying in an interview she hadn’t gotten over White. Then she met Chesney and after a brief relationship married him on May 9. White then met model Karen Elson and after an even briefer courtship married her on June 1. ---
**Author:** ![Otto](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/bbe5ce/32.png) [@Otto](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Otto)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2005, 3:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-lost-me-at-i-do/321866/38 "2005-09-17T03:51:46Z")
> [@Little Nemo](#): > > So what do you call it if you use the word fraud when you don’t believe it’s true? A term of art? If she wants an annulment, she has to have grounds. Assuming she filed in California, she has to prove the marriage is invalid because of one of the grounds I posted earlier. Incest, Bigamy, Underage, Prior Existing Marriage, Unsound Mind and Force would seem pretty clearly not to apply. That leaves Incapacity (impotence) and Fraud. Now, I personally would be entertained by either watching or assisting in Chesney’s demonstration of capacity. But assuming he can actually get it up, Fraud it has to be, because that’s the word the California Assembly chose. Since court filings are public record, we’ll know soon enough what the “deception” was that Chesney allegedly perpetrated. ---
**Author:** ![Flipstrip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/f6c823/32.png) [@Flipstrip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Flipstrip)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2005, 7:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-lost-me-at-i-do/321866/39 "2005-09-17T07:01:14Z")
> [@jackelope](#): > > My favorite description of Renee Zellweger was “she looks like someone sucked the air out of a kewpie doll.” My favorite description of Renee was that “she looks like she’s simultaneously sucking on a lemon and smelling dog poo”. (I believe someone on the SDMB said it in last year’s Oscar thread, but can’t remember who. If the quote’s not exact, my apologies.) ---
**Author:** ![Otto](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/bbe5ce/32.png) [@Otto](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Otto)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2005, 8:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-lost-me-at-i-do/321866/40 "2005-09-17T20:56:46Z")
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