# You Nameless, Faceless coward **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [October 7, 2003, 9:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-nameless-faceless-coward/206156 "2003-10-07T21:33:32Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 17
**Author:** ![Stephi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecd19e/32.png) [@Stephi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stephi)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2003, 3:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-nameless-faceless-coward/206156/321 "2003-10-12T03:21:36Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by crispety \* > \*\*I’ve known Isis (Gail, Maven, IDBB) for about 5 years now…well, as much as someone can know anyone through on-line messages and one phone call. > > She has a lot of flaws. She’s an attention whore, a back stabber, and a liar. She faked a pregnancy once on the blogging site [freeopendiary.com](http://freeopendiary.com) (once she was found out, she turned it into a fanfiction index), and she’s tried to hack into my livejournal at an attempt at getting a code which I, might I add, already promised her. > > But she’s not the anti-christ. Sure, I’ve gotten sick of her bullshit to the point that I avoid her, but I don’t think she warrants this much controversy. Really. > > Just the opinion of someone who has known her. \*\* I’m sorry, I’m having trouble wrapping my brain around this. Are you saying she FAKED A PREGNANCY??? And tried to HACK your LJ??? This is getting fucking bizarre. ---
**Author:** ![Tinkertoy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/f19dbf/32.png) [@Tinkertoy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tinkertoy)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2003, 3:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-nameless-faceless-coward/206156/322 "2003-10-12T03:44:37Z")
I’m just waiting for the tap dancing poodles. ---
**Author:** ![crispety](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/aeb1de/32.png) [@crispety](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crispety)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2003, 3:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-nameless-faceless-coward/206156/323 "2003-10-12T03:53:59Z")
7 up yours: I lurked for awhile, following the saga that is Isis, and noticing anonymous posting wasn’t allowed here, joined. I’m not telling you to “stop dogpiling her.” I made a statement regarding the importance of her existence in our lives. If I had truly wanted the “madness to stop,” (or if I were in fact Isis herself, as you may be insinuating) I’m sure I wouldn’t have insulted her in the same breath. Take from that what you will. Never to be queen: Be my guest. You might want to correct my typo in the world “always.” Stephi: You don’t know bizarre until she starts telling how unicorns are real. ---
**Author:** ![crispety](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/aeb1de/32.png) [@crispety](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crispety)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2003, 3:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-nameless-faceless-coward/206156/324 "2003-10-12T03:57:23Z")
7 up yours: I lurked for awhile, following the saga that is Isis, and noticing anonymous posting wasn’t allowed here, joined. I’m not telling you to “stop dogpiling her.” I made a statement regarding the importance of her existence in our lives. If I had truly wanted the “madness to stop,” (or if I were in fact Isis herself, as you may be insinuating) I’m sure I wouldn’t have insulted her in the same breath. Take from that what you will. Never to be queen: Be my guest. You might want to correct my typo in the word “always.” Stephi: You don’t know bizarre until she starts telling how unicorns are real. ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2003, 4:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-nameless-faceless-coward/206156/325 "2003-10-12T04:06:44Z")
Read back guys when she told about hacking into her friend’s LJ. _shaking head_ This is really, really ugly. ---
**Author:** ![7\_up\_yours](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/7/919ad9/32.png) [@7\_up\_yours](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/7_up_yours)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2003, 4:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-nameless-faceless-coward/206156/326 "2003-10-12T04:18:12Z")
Well, as it stands, with me, at least, until I am convinced, either way, I’m still going to hold my doubt. > [@](#): > > I’m sure I wouldn’t have insulted her in the same breath. It’s not uncommon for her to say things such as: “I will surely fail as I am destined to do at everything I’ve ever attempted in my life.” “my cars are too nice for someone like me who deserves to drive beaters” “I am priveleged and spoiled and a bitch” By the way, how did you find your way onto here? Did Gail tell you about it and you decided to check it out? And if you’ve been following her saga, how come you picked NOW to speak up? ---
**Author:** ![crispety](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/aeb1de/32.png) [@crispety](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crispety)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2003, 4:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-nameless-faceless-coward/206156/327 "2003-10-12T04:18:52Z")
Whoa, double post. My apologies. ---
**Author:** ![Never\_to\_be\_Queen](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/e9c0ed/32.png) [@Never\_to\_be\_Queen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Never_to_be_Queen)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2003, 4:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-nameless-faceless-coward/206156/328 "2003-10-12T04:21:41Z")
Cool, thanks crispety. ---
**Author:** ![crispety](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/aeb1de/32.png) [@crispety](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crispety)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2003, 4:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-nameless-faceless-coward/206156/329 "2003-10-12T04:28:38Z")
7 up yours: The SDMB lj community was on her friends list. I don’t talk to Gail anymore. By “saga,” I mean this current drama of her abilities (or lack thereof) as a mother, and I just noticed it recently. Until about a couple days ago, I had no idea the SDMB existed. You have every right to have your doubt, and unlike many, I find it hard to get too riled up about what people think of my on the internet. Especially considering we don’t know eachother. So doubt away, my friend. Paranoia is what keeps forums kickin’. For further discussion, feel free to IM me on MSN: [phoenixamicus@hotmail.com](mailto:phoenixamicus@hotmail.com) ---
**Author:** ![iampunha](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/74df32/32.png) [@iampunha](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iampunha)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2003, 5:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-nameless-faceless-coward/206156/330 "2003-10-12T05:46:22Z")
I would humbly suggest that we wait for, at the very least, some manner of confirmation of the identity of **crispety** (who I do not believe, given posts on this page of the thread, objects to that notion) by **80MM** before ascribing to **crispety** the level of familiarity posited. Those who saw yesterday’s lj events will quite probably understand my reasoning there. ---
**Author:** ![zoogirl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/b9bd4f/32.png) [@zoogirl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/zoogirl)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2003, 8:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-nameless-faceless-coward/206156/331 "2003-10-12T08:58:14Z")
Okay, assuming that there actually is a baby, are me and \*\*The Duke Of Rat[b/] the only ones to pick up on the idea that she doesn’t WANT to stay home with “the damn kid”?! Really? I mean, think about it. She can go to work, feel good about contributing and not have to deal with diapers, spit up and feeding. I bet the pumping will go by the way pretty damn quick too. BTW, I’m awfully glad to see no one has suggested abortion. Someone, pages ago, did mention it with adoption, but I don’t think it was being suggested as a possibility. It’s taken me a couple hours to read all of this thread, so pardon my non-link. FWIW, we’re poor. Really poor, as in second hand everything, seventeen year old car and one luxory - I’m posting on it! (Okay, the critters - but I can feed 'em a lot cheaper than you’d think.)Our income is so far below theirs, it would look like pocket change. And yet, we’ve raised a couple of boys to seventeen and fourteen without starving them or making them sleep in a cardboard box. They’re healthy and happy and Santa’s made it to the house every year. Okay, I guess I’m a little pissed. Dammit, you do what you have to and raise the kid! It’s 2:00 am here, and I think I’ve had enough. Dammit. ---
**Author:** ![SkyBum](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a88e57/32.png) [@SkyBum](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SkyBum)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2003, 2:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-nameless-faceless-coward/206156/332 "2003-10-12T14:23:28Z")
As I read through this thread Friday evening, a sinking feeling grew in the pit of my stomach. Initially, I was somewhat angry with **80sHairMetalMaven** as the whole drama unfolded itself. And yet, by the end of it all I still could not help feeling sorry for her. By the time I checked back in on the thread tonight (holy shit, I’ve been pondering this train-wreck for 6 goddamn hours?), and read the last of the posts, I’d convinced myself that a lot of people were being unmercifully cruel and vicious to her. Quite frankly, I considered that this board might have a dark and pustulous underbelly lurking just beneath it’s shining surface. I started back at the beginning and re-read the entire thread with the intention of gathering up all of these terrible things that had been said. I wanted to point out how horrible some of you people were being to another. This time, following all of the links and taking time to read the LJ’s and also to do a bit of searching of my own. I suppose I was wrong. There were many things said that may well have been better left unsaid, and there certainly was the spirit of a mob mentality in some of the pile-on, yet there is also a great deal of compassion and caring spread generously throughout. Quite possibly more than was warranted. There _are_ an incredible lot of genuine, caring people here. Quite unlike any other forum I have participated in. I want to believe that the hate and vitriol which I sensed earlier are beneath this place (although that is certainly my idealistic mind hard at work…) If this board were entirely as noble and selfless as I sometimes envision it, it’s likely that it would be gathering dust in some remote corner of the web. In the end, I found a bit of life’s inherent uglyness, and a fair amount of pain and suffering. Indignation, interspersed with self righteousness, and many instances of people people who have risen well above their challenges. I found a surprising number of people who were willing to share their time to offer another some wisdom (and at least one person who may or may not have been listening). A few who seemed to have an axe to grind, and several who just dropped by to watch the flames rise and engulf another. Several, who spoke out in defense. And one who did indeed have some horribly vicious and spiteful things to say, though I’ll try to refrain from judging you by your words (in fact I’ve already forgotten your name, which is probably just as well). I also found quite a bit of my own self spread throughout, and have given pause to reflect upon my human nature in a rather harsh light. I hope that I don’t miss the opportunity to derive something from it. What an odd microcosm of life exists here. On one hand, a place that is far-removed from reality, and yet on the other, a strangely perfect reflection of it. There is much to be learned about ourselves within these anonymous conversations. At least that is what I am hoping, it would be a shame for all of this to be for naught… ---
**Author:** ![Gendou](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47774/32.png) [@Gendou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gendou)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2003, 2:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-nameless-faceless-coward/206156/333 "2003-10-12T14:33:35Z")
Eh, I can vouch for **crispety**. She’s my girlfriend. 😉 Not that my word means much either, but I did register a while back - ironically, to defend Gail. Sadly, this latest fiasco has worn out whatever small measure of tolerance for her that I might have retained after she tried to hack my girlfriend’s journal. I’ll admit, I felt sorry for her. Hell, I even considered her a friend. But after this . . . I’m not sure I can deal with her attitude any more. I stand behind my decision to defend her against anonymous posters - anonymous posting sucks, no matter who’s making the post. Period. But as to the rest of it, I have to agree that she’s bringing it on herself as an attention-getting ploy. I, for one, refuse to feed that any longer. ---
**Author:** ![sugaree](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/cc9497/32.png) [@sugaree](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sugaree)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2003, 2:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-nameless-faceless-coward/206156/334 "2003-10-12T14:59:07Z")
Here is where **Gail** [confesses to the livejournal hacking incident](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?threadid=166384&highlight=idbb+code+friend) to which **crispety** refers. I’ve found and read crispety’s online journals as well as two journals belonging to friends of hers (hope that doesn’t skeeve you out too much, crispety). If there is a hoax, it involves them also, and I don’t think it does. I’ve said elsewhere that I am satisfied that Gail is at least who she says she is- a young married woman in Texas working in fast food. Is everything she says truthful? No. I’ve known a lot of people like this-- when they’re called on something, they just begin wildly coming up with some reason, any thing that pops into their heads, why they are in the right. Is this pregnancy for real? Well, it could be. Whether it is or not, the girl needs help. It’s frustrating. > [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Duke of Rat \* > \*\*If she doesn’t drive due to anxiety issues, why 2 cars?? > \*\* She never said she didn’t drive. Those who are remembering that are remembering it incorrectly. She said, [in this thread about her “red-neck mother”](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?threadid=158973&highlight=drive+idbb+temp+agency), that > [@](#): > > _Originally posted by IDBB, 80sHMM, Gail, ect._ > \*\*Another reason I hesitate to call a temp agency is because I have limited driving skills.Yeah…I know. I’m 24 years old. I should have fairly decent driving skills by now but I don’t. I’ve never even driven on a highway or free way. I realize that makes a freak but add this to it…I didn’t start driving till about 3 years ago. > \*\* ---
**Author:** ![crispety](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/aeb1de/32.png) [@crispety](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crispety)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2003, 6:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-nameless-faceless-coward/206156/335 "2003-10-12T18:49:24Z")
I’m down with it, **sugaree.** For others, my journal is [livejournal.com/users/nechan](http://livejournal.com/users/nechan) It’s friend’s only at the moment, but I doubt anyone will care, as my exploits in life are very, very boring. Oh, and another point of interest is her old deadjournal, found at [deadjournal.com/users/catphreek21](http://deadjournal.com/users/catphreek21). Around that time, Isis was getting a lot of anonymous posters, perhaps from the Disney Message board she was a part of, or perhaps from this drama found here: [deadjournal.com/users/catphreek21/49490.html](http://deadjournal.com/users/catphreek21/49490.html) She has a new deadjournal now. ---
**Author:** ![sugaree](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/cc9497/32.png) [@sugaree](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sugaree)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2003, 12:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-nameless-faceless-coward/206156/336 "2003-10-13T00:32:43Z")
**crispety** , got a link to the old pregnancy journal? You can email it to me if you don’t wanna put it here. Anonymous trolling for the purpose of making _someone feel like shit_ is the worst. No reason for that crap. ---
**Author:** ![crispety](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/aeb1de/32.png) [@crispety](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crispety)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2003, 4:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-nameless-faceless-coward/206156/337 "2003-10-13T04:52:44Z")
I’m afraid not, **sugaree.** It was deleted after being neglected for a certain amount of time. The journal, as I said, was turned into a fanfiction of some kind (I believe Brian Jaques…you know, Redwall? Mossflower?), so I doubt it would interest you much anyways. You can, however, find yet another journal here: [http://freeopendiary.com/entrylist.asp?authorcode=A762090](http://freeopendiary.com/entrylist.asp?authorcode=A762090) I know she still reads this thread…she posted an angry post on her new journal. But I think I’m done. She doesn’t really interest me as much…feel free to stalk her, though. ---
**Author:** ![tiny\_ham](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/a183cd/32.png) [@tiny\_ham](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tiny_ham)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2003, 1:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-nameless-faceless-coward/206156/338 "2003-10-13T13:36:29Z")
OH good, so finally the thread goes how IDBB intended, with folks like Kambuckta and Starving but Strong coming in and patting her on the head, giving her hugs, telling her everything’s going to be ok, and she’s a swell, if not misunderstood gal. Exactly what she wanted. Faking a pregnancy. That’s fantastic, MavenIsis. I hope you got a real charge out of that one. Nothin’s more fun than toying with people’s emotions. ---
**Author:** ![wring](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/838e76/32.png) [@wring](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wring)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2003, 1:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-nameless-faceless-coward/206156/339 "2003-10-13T13:50:18Z")
At this point in the train wreck, perhaps it’s time to reflect on what we want most and how to achieve it. For those who are sympathetic to her, additional pile ons only serve to support that. Those who think she’s in ijiot (and that would include me) certainly haven’t been swayed by name changes and anything else she posts anywhere else. Maybe time for a new tactic? Like, say, not giving the attention whore the attention? like, say, letting this tread fade off the front page (almost happened ya know).?? ---
**Author:** ![AncientHumanoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ancienthumanoid/32/278_2.png) [@AncientHumanoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AncientHumanoid)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2003, 2:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-nameless-faceless-coward/206156/340 "2003-10-13T14:05:01Z")
Well, I left frustrated after the 2nd page and really don’t want to read all the back stuff… Anyone want to do a one or two paragraph recap? Is she really pregnant? Did she ever acknowledge any helpful posts? Why is this now 7 pages? Just wondering. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-nameless-faceless-coward/206156.md?page=16) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-nameless-faceless-coward/206156.md?page=18)