# You saw "Jay and Silent Bob Strike Back". What did you "catch" in the film? SPOI **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [August 26, 2001, 2:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-saw-jay-and-silent-bob-strike-back-what-did-you-catch-in-the-film-spoi/78150 "2001-08-26T02:45:08Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![voguevixen](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b5ac83/32.png) [@voguevixen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/voguevixen)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2001, 1:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-saw-jay-and-silent-bob-strike-back-what-did-you-catch-in-the-film-spoi/78150/21 "2001-08-27T01:00:55Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Mahaloth \* > \*\*13. The references to Pee-Wee’s Big Adventure. And Kevin Smith was mad at Tim Burton for stealing a scene from one of his works? \*\* Actually, the reason Smith is mad at Burton is because when Burton was named the director of _Superman Lives_ he gave the thumbs down to the script Smith had written, which was the only one anyone liked at the time. So now no script at all pretty much. It’s possible the Pee-Wee scenes were a tribute to PEE-WEE you know! 😉 You guys are catching some good ones, I gotta see it again for sure. (I missed too much the first time because the friend I went with bought me a bucket sized soda, against all my protests, so guess where I ended up every 20 minutes? :rolleyes: ) ---
**Author:** ![drm](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a88e57/32.png) [@drm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/drm)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2001, 1:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-saw-jay-and-silent-bob-strike-back-what-did-you-catch-in-the-film-spoi/78150/22 "2001-08-27T01:04:04Z")
When they are in the nuns car, “Buddy Christ” is on the dashboard (Dogma). I don’t remember if this was mentioned but the orangutan was named Suzanna like in Mallrats ---
**Author:** ![Slacker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/6bbea6/32.png) [@Slacker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slacker)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2001, 3:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-saw-jay-and-silent-bob-strike-back-what-did-you-catch-in-the-film-spoi/78150/23 "2001-08-27T03:35:58Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Montfort \* > \*\* > > > [@](#): > > > > \*Originally posted by Mahaloth \* > > \*\*4. You can see the dude from Mall Rats still staring at the 3-d picture outside the movie theater. \*\* > > Wasn’t this the Clerks Willam (Scott Mosier, aka the producer/uncreative half of View Askiew), and not the Mallrats Willam (Ethan Suplee), though? \*\* Correct. That dude’s also the producer. ---
**Author:** ![Slacker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/6bbea6/32.png) [@Slacker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slacker)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2001, 3:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-saw-jay-and-silent-bob-strike-back-what-did-you-catch-in-the-film-spoi/78150/24 "2001-08-27T03:46:31Z")
another one I caught: Jay was wearing a “Bezerker” shirt. Remember that dude from Clerks? ---
**Author:** ![Kaitlyn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/73ab20/32.png) [@Kaitlyn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kaitlyn)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2001, 4:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-saw-jay-and-silent-bob-strike-back-what-did-you-catch-in-the-film-spoi/78150/25 "2001-08-27T04:15:53Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Jester \* > \*\* > > > [@](#): > > > > \*Originally posted by Number Six \* > > \*\*My movie geek friends have been telling me for months how great Kevin Smith movies are, so I finally broke down and went to see this one with them last night. My reaction was eh. Competent filmmaking, nothing specatatular, nothing that tells me I should go back and see the others. Friends are going back tonight. I saw nothing worth revisiting. \*\* > > Ah, but there’s your problem, **Six**. You can’t even _begin_ to appreciat “Jay and Silent Bob Strike Back” for what it is until you have seen the other movies. Almost all of the major gags in the movies were based off of tie-ins to Smith’s other movies, sort of inside jokes for those who have seen them. I can certainly understand how someone who hadn’t seen “Clerks,” “Mallrats” or “Chasing Amy” (not so much “Dogma”) would not think of “Jay and Silent Bob” as anything special, because you would have missed most of the jokes. My advice: watch the other movies, then watch “Jay and Silent Bob” again. I’m almost sure that you’ll like it better. \*\* That explains it. If most of the big jokes are references to other movies, this movie would seem to be aimed squarely at Kevin Smith fans. As I am not in that group, I would have been better off elsewhere. My movie geek friends (this is not meant as an insult; I consider myself a movie geek) had already made the suggestion that I go back and see the other movies. Ain’t gonna happen. I’m not going to watch three movies just so that I can go back to a movie I didn’t much care for the first time and appreciate it more. IMO, a movie should be good on it’s own terms. _Strange Brew_ is funny even if you know nothing about Hamlet, but it’s a lot funnier if you know the play and can pick out the references. I’m not saying that Jay and Bob is bad, but it should come with a “For those who’ve seen the other Kevin Smith films only” warning. By the way, is this a sequel? My friends who recommended it said it isn’t, but it sure felt like one. ---
**Author:** ![silent\_rob](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e9a140/32.png) [@silent\_rob](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silent_rob)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2001, 8:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-saw-jay-and-silent-bob-strike-back-what-did-you-catch-in-the-film-spoi/78150/26 "2001-08-29T08:27:56Z")
I’ve seen it twice and loved it. I was fortunate enough to have seen it those two days in a row. A mini-poster on the way to me. 😃 **Number Six** , it’s not technically a sequel, as it’s a story separate from the other films. However, the main plot is a take off of some stuff that happens in _Chasing Amy_. It’s very true that fans of Kevin Smith’s other films (or people that have at least seen them) will get a lot more out of it. But that’s not the reason you should go back and watch _Clerks_, _Chasing Amy_, and _Dogma_…you should watch them because they’re really great movies. Though some might not like _Mallrats_ as much, it’s pretty funny, too. The things I caught: -The poster whose SN is “MagnoliaFan” is a reference to Kevin Smith’s long-time feud with writer/director P. T. Anderson -There’s a Buddy Christ statue (from _Dogma_) on Carrie Fisher’s dashboard -Jay also wears a Quick-Stop “uniform” -Steve-Dave wears the _Mallrats_ t-shirt he wore in the original openning of _Chasing Amy_ (and Steve-Dave wears the oh-so-sweet hockey jersey that I own as well) -When Jay & Silent Bob are running through the backlots there is a guy in a Daredevil suit that gets knocked over -“Ratface”, who is the production designer for this and other View Askew flicks, reprises the role of the cop he had in _Dogma_ when he arrests Jay & Silent Bob. In _Dogma_, he was the guy that got his neck snapped. -The article behind the counter of Brodie’s comic shop shows him hosting the Tonight Show (from _Mallrats_) -Trish the Dish from _Mallrats_ talks to Alyssa from _Chasing Amy_ about why they didn’t make a _Chasing Amy_ movie -Dante and Randal getting married might be a reference to an episode of _Clerks: The Animated Series_, where it showed them getting married -Banky talking about how he doesn’t kiss guys (“Despite what you may have heard…”) is a reference to _Chasing Amy_ -Affleck & Damon’s line about doing a movie because your friend says you owe them is, I think, a reference to them not thanking Kevin in their Academy Awards thank you speech (Kevin & Scott exec-produced _Good Will Hunting_ and were instrumental in getting it made) -Holden’s greeting to Jay & Bob was Jay’s greeting to him in _Chasing Amy_ -Brodie’s stink-palm is from _Mallrats_ (pretty obvious reference, but one all the same) -There were the characters from _Reservoir Dogs_ walking through the backlots -Scott Mosier was also the AD for _Good Will Hunting 2_ (the guy who says “Just react, don’t say anything. Especially you.”) -The Utility Belt from _Mallrats_ is used again -Jay’s line “Flea fat-ass, flea!” is a take-off on his line from _Mallrats_: “Fly fat-ass, fly!” -All of the Mooby stuff (like the kid’s Pat-Pat hat and such) references _Dogma_ -The _Starwars_ references: the “Griedo shooting first” line and Mark Hamill’s lines about fighting a Jedi and “Not again…” to getting his hand cut off (besides the fact that it was Mark Hamill) -Jay’s “Hetero life-partner” line is also from _Dogma_ -Wes Craven makes a cameo, which is returning a favor for Jay & Silent Bob’s cameo in _Scream 3_ -Judd Nelson plays the sheriff; he was cast partially (if not mainly) because of the references to John Hughs’s movies in _Dogma_ Well, that’s all I can think of for now. Dang…and that’s a lot of them. ---
**Author:** ![Geek\_Mecha](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/ecae2f/32.png) [@Geek\_Mecha](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Geek_Mecha)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2001, 9:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-saw-jay-and-silent-bob-strike-back-what-did-you-catch-in-the-film-spoi/78150/27 "2001-08-29T09:02:46Z")
I knew **rob** was gonna come in here and kick ass. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![SPOOFE](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/c5a1d2/32.png) [@SPOOFE](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SPOOFE)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2001, 9:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-saw-jay-and-silent-bob-strike-back-what-did-you-catch-in-the-film-spoi/78150/28 "2001-08-29T09:24:39Z")
I can’t believe nobody mentioned my favorite half-reference… Just after the “escape from the diner” scene… when Jay, Silent Bob, and Suzanne dive into the sewer opening, that was very reminiscent of the “escape from the detention block” scene in Star Wars. Or maybe I’m just seeing things. I coulda SWORN I saw a Star Destroyer in the background… 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Osip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/4491bb/32.png) [@Osip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Osip)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2001, 12:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-saw-jay-and-silent-bob-strike-back-what-did-you-catch-in-the-film-spoi/78150/29 "2001-08-29T12:15:32Z")
Just saw it last night. I personally liked the scene where everyone is coming out of the movie. Some of the lines are priceless. I have to say after watching all his other movies repeatedly on DVD I found J&SBSB FANfuckingTASTIC!! It was the first movie in a long time I have seen that I walked out of at the end and felt Good! Then again, after American Pie 2 (which was a good movie) I had a great urge to take a long walk in a field with a revolver and a bottle of whiskey. Gonna have to see it again and you can bet good money I will purchase it on DVD when availible! Osip ---
**Author:** ![pldennison](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/9fc29f/32.png) [@pldennison](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pldennison)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2001, 12:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-saw-jay-and-silent-bob-strike-back-what-did-you-catch-in-the-film-spoi/78150/30 "2001-08-29T12:48:41Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by silent\_rob \* > \*\*-“Ratface”, who is the production designer for this and other View Askew flicks, reprises the role of the cop he had in _Dogma_ when he arrests Jay & Silent Bob. In _Dogma_, he was the guy that got his neck snapped. > \*\* Are you sure that was Ratface? It looked to me like Ernie O’Donnell, who played Rick Derris in _Clerks_. ---
**Author:** ![Sealemon88](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/c68b51/32.png) [@Sealemon88](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sealemon88)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2001, 12:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-saw-jay-and-silent-bob-strike-back-what-did-you-catch-in-the-film-spoi/78150/31 "2001-08-29T12:51:31Z")
This movie kicked ass. Plain and simple. Yes, it’s aimed at Kevin smith fans, though. This is a strength and a weakness of the movie, as those who’ve never ever heared of Clerks or Chasing Amy are gonna find themselves scratching their heads through a lot of the film. Captain Obvious sez: The scene in the pipe where the monkey pulls Jay And Silent Bob over the edge to escape arrest is a parody of The Fugitive. Montfort: I thought Smith was dating/engaged to the blond from Chaising amy. I need to catch up on my gossip. ☹ ---
**Author:** ![PolishSausage](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/a9a28c/32.png) [@PolishSausage](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PolishSausage)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2001, 1:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-saw-jay-and-silent-bob-strike-back-what-did-you-catch-in-the-film-spoi/78150/32 "2001-08-29T13:36:04Z")
silent\_rob, truly kick ass. A quick note, to expand on the Judd Nelson thing. Not onlt do they mention John Hughs’s movies in Dogma, but Jay and Silent Bob also single out Judd’s character. ---
**Author:** ![Montfort](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/d6d6ee/32.png) [@Montfort](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Montfort)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2001, 1:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-saw-jay-and-silent-bob-strike-back-what-did-you-catch-in-the-film-spoi/78150/33 "2001-08-29T13:43:53Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Sealemon88 \* > \*\*Montfort: I thought Smith was dating/engaged to the blond from Chaising amy. I need to catch up on my gossip. ☹ \*\* Nah, they broke up soon after the release of _Chasing Amy_. I think. That’s why Joey Lauren Adams wasn’t in _Dogma_ and only had a cameo appearance in J&SBSB. ---
**Author:** ![edwino](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/35a633/32.png) [@edwino](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/edwino)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2001, 1:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-saw-jay-and-silent-bob-strike-back-what-did-you-catch-in-the-film-spoi/78150/34 "2001-08-29T13:57:10Z")
A few more: When they go visit Affleck-as-_Mallrats_ character in the beginning, they visit the Internet Poop Shoot movie site. This looks exactly like [http://www.aintitcool.com](http://www.aintitcool.com). Apparently they talk jack about Kevin Smith at that site and it has irked (or amused or whatever) Kevin Smith in the past. Also, when Affleck describes the Internet to him, his speech is somewhat reminiscent of Obi Wan’s speech about the force. Affleck says something along the lines of “The Internet is a worldwide network which binds together computers…” and Obi Wan says “The force is an energy field which binds together all living things.” Then again, I may be hallucinating. Also, I did think the dive into the sewers thing was reminiscent of _Star Wars_. Also, they poke fun at many Affleck movies (_Phantoms_, [iReindeer Games\*, _Forces of Nature_) which were all I think made by Miramax. ---
**Author:** ![Tars\_Tarkas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/6a8cbe/32.png) [@Tars\_Tarkas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tars_Tarkas)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2001, 2:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-saw-jay-and-silent-bob-strike-back-what-did-you-catch-in-the-film-spoi/78150/35 "2001-08-29T14:34:38Z")
> [@](#): > > Trish the Dish from Mallrats talks to Alyssa from Chasing Amy about why they didn’t make a Chasing Amy movie They went together because they are sisters (Trisha Jones and Alyssa Jones). There third sister, Heather, was in Clerks and went to the beach with Rick Darris. ---
**Author:** ![Brood\_McEto](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/65b543/32.png) [@Brood\_McEto](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Brood_McEto)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2001, 2:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-saw-jay-and-silent-bob-strike-back-what-did-you-catch-in-the-film-spoi/78150/36 "2001-08-29T14:38:29Z")
I have to agree that this movie was really funny. Yes, you get more out of it if you have actually seen the other four movies, but it’s not necessary. My fiancée had only seen Dogma and Mallrats (in that order) previously to seeing this one. She’s never seen Clerks, and we saw Chasing Amy afterwards. She didn’t get a lot of the Smith references, but she agreed that it was a very funny film. There was plenty of sight gags and off color humor to keep you laughing, even if you had never heard of Jay and Silent Bob. I plan on buying this movie when it comes out on DVD. I’d love to get Clerks on DVD, but at the local Best Buy and Hastings it is about $35 (as is Blues Brothers) and I can’t figure this out. Anyone got an idea? ---
**Author:** ![Brood\_McEto](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/65b543/32.png) [@Brood\_McEto](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Brood_McEto)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2001, 2:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-saw-jay-and-silent-bob-strike-back-what-did-you-catch-in-the-film-spoi/78150/37 "2001-08-29T14:41:16Z")
Tars, I just saw Chasing Amy and Alyssa said that her ‘Friend’ had sex with a dead guy, not her sister. Unless I’m not thinking of the right Clerks girl. ---
**Author:** ![Phoebestar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/13edae/32.png) [@Phoebestar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Phoebestar)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2001, 3:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-saw-jay-and-silent-bob-strike-back-what-did-you-catch-in-the-film-spoi/78150/38 "2001-08-29T15:24:29Z")
… to this thread, that is. I think alot of the stuff that’s mentioned as “references” to Smith’s other movies are not so much references as part of the View Askew Universe that they live in, if that makes sense. Oh, and the “Magnolia Fan” bit… it did arise from Smith’s differences with PT Anderson’s stuff, but more directly, over the controversy that arose on his WWW board (which I read regularly) after Magnolia was released. He didn’t like it, and a bunch of Anderson supporters logged onto his board and bashed him. It was really great to see so much of the WWW board stuff make it into the movie. ---
**Author:** ![Jack\_Batty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jack_batty/32/3201_2.png) [@Jack\_Batty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jack_Batty)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2001, 3:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-saw-jay-and-silent-bob-strike-back-what-did-you-catch-in-the-film-spoi/78150/39 "2001-08-29T15:46:33Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by edwino \* > \*\*A few more: > > When they go visit Affleck-as-_Mallrats_ character in the beginning, they visit the Internet Poop Shoot movie site. This looks exactly like [http://www.aintitcool.com](http://www.aintitcool.com). \*\* Actually, Affleck was reprising his _Chasing Amy_ character, Holden, not his _Mallrats_ character, Shannen. Also, has anybody visited [Viewaskew.com](http://www.viewaskew.com/) lately? There is an angry note from Kevin Smith talking about these “fuckers at Movie Poop [Shoot.com](http://Shoot.com)” or something like that. He provides a link, and when you go there it looks just like the message board site they were looking at in the movie, with all the same message titles and everything. But the links on the message board lead you to clips from the movie. It is somewhat humorous, but then I probably just ruined it for everybody. Ooops. ---
**Author:** ![friedo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/8edcca/32.png) [@friedo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/friedo)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2001, 6:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-saw-jay-and-silent-bob-strike-back-what-did-you-catch-in-the-film-spoi/78150/40 "2001-08-29T18:08:17Z")
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