# You saw "Jay and Silent Bob Strike Back". What did you "catch" in the film? SPOI **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [August 26, 2001, 2:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-saw-jay-and-silent-bob-strike-back-what-did-you-catch-in-the-film-spoi/78150 "2001-08-26T02:45:08Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Tars\_Tarkas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/6a8cbe/32.png) [@Tars\_Tarkas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tars_Tarkas)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2001, 6:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-saw-jay-and-silent-bob-strike-back-what-did-you-catch-in-the-film-spoi/78150/41 "2001-08-29T18:20:49Z")
> [@](#): > > Tars, I just saw Chasing Amy and Alyssa said that her ‘Friend’ had sex with a dead guy, not her sister. Unless I’m not thinking of the right Clerks girl. That’s Caitlien Briee(sp?), Dante’s ex, who also had sex with Rick Darris, but in high school. Heather Jones was the girl who thought Dante was out of shape when he was getting the ticket for selling cigarettes to a four year old. ---
**Author:** ![Drastic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/f9ae1b/32.png) [@Drastic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Drastic)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2001, 6:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-saw-jay-and-silent-bob-strike-back-what-did-you-catch-in-the-film-spoi/78150/42 "2001-08-29T18:33:52Z")
One thing I noticed that hasn’t been mentioned (he said with crossed fingers) was, in several of the scenes in the Miramax lot, a random fellow is carrying around the exact same scaffolding-prop that Brodie got clonked on the head with in **Mallrats**. > [@](#): > > It is somewhat humorous, but then I probably just ruined it for everybody. Ooops. My biggest disappointment when I discovered that the other night was that (unless I missed it), the firing-back posting that Jay dictated to Silent Bob wasn’t there. That was a thing of beauty. ---
**Author:** ![ModernRonin2](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c37758/32.png) [@ModernRonin2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ModernRonin2)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2001, 6:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-saw-jay-and-silent-bob-strike-back-what-did-you-catch-in-the-film-spoi/78150/43 "2001-08-29T18:36:41Z")
Kevin Smith was on Loveline a couple weeks back. Adam, the big jerk, complained bitterly because “all my scenes were cut out of the film.” Smith may have put him in the credits like that as a joke. ;] The whole movie is one big long reference-fest. I stopped counting. Definitely much better if you’ve seen Clerks, Mallrats, Chasing Amy and Dogma multiple times. (Actually, no need to see Mallrats or Dogma more than once, IMO.) -Ben ---
**Author:** ![Mofo\_Rising](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/85f322/32.png) [@Mofo\_Rising](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mofo_Rising)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2001, 7:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-saw-jay-and-silent-bob-strike-back-what-did-you-catch-in-the-film-spoi/78150/44 "2001-08-29T19:54:02Z")
“Only Ben Affleck can stop. . . THE MOONRAPER!” Remember his character’s predilection in MALLRATS? ---
**Author:** ![Jack\_Batty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jack_batty/32/3201_2.png) [@Jack\_Batty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jack_Batty)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2001, 8:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-saw-jay-and-silent-bob-strike-back-what-did-you-catch-in-the-film-spoi/78150/45 "2001-08-29T20:03:45Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Drastic \* > \*\* > My biggest disappointment when I discovered that the other night was that (unless I missed it), the firing-back posting that Jay dictated to Silent Bob wasn’t there. That was a thing of beauty. \*\* Ha! That’s the first thing I look for too. What a pisser. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Robot\_Arm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/robot_arm/32/18280_2.png) [@Robot\_Arm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Robot_Arm)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2001, 12:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-saw-jay-and-silent-bob-strike-back-what-did-you-catch-in-the-film-spoi/78150/46 "2001-08-30T00:39:26Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Tars Tarkas \* > > > [@](#): > > > > Trish the Dish from Mallrats talks to Alyssa from Chasing Amy about why they didn’t make a Chasing Amy movie > > They went together because they are sisters (Trisha Jones and Alyssa Jones). There third sister, Heather, was in Clerks and went to the beach with Rick Darris. Are we sure that Joey Lauren Adams was playing Alyssa Jones from _Chasing Amy_ and not Gwen Turner from _Mallrats_? I know she gives a look of recognition when Trish mentions “Chasing Amy”, but that’s not conclusive. Besides, “Chasing Amy” was another of Holden’s comics, Alyssa’s was “Idiosyncratic Routine”. ---
**Author:** ![nooc](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/b487fb/32.png) [@nooc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/nooc)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2001, 1:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-saw-jay-and-silent-bob-strike-back-what-did-you-catch-in-the-film-spoi/78150/47 "2001-08-30T01:30:34Z")
robot: I think it was suppose to be alyssa jones because those two would be sisters and that would make more sense. at least to me ---
**Author:** ![Scruff](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/6f9a4e/32.png) [@Scruff](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scruff)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2001, 1:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-saw-jay-and-silent-bob-strike-back-what-did-you-catch-in-the-film-spoi/78150/48 "2001-08-30T01:42:51Z")
In the scene outside the testing lab, after the van blows up, there’sa scene that **looks** like it’sa reference to another movie. Jay falls to his knees, and as the camera pulls straight up and away from him, he looks up at the camera and screams “Justice!” Anyone know if this was just a moment, or where the original came from? ---
**Author:** ![KrustyKlown](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/b4bc9f/32.png) [@KrustyKlown](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/KrustyKlown)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2001, 3:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-saw-jay-and-silent-bob-strike-back-what-did-you-catch-in-the-film-spoi/78150/49 "2001-08-30T03:17:56Z")
For those Star Wars fans out there (can I get a shout out?!), the “Greedo shooting first” comment actually referred to the re-release of Star Wars, where they added a blaster shot from Greedo before Han’s because TPTB thought it would be much better of Han to shoot in self-defense, while the rest of us (obviously including Kevin Smith) liked that he shot first. Suddenly, he’s not nearly as much of a bad-ass. I think I was the only one in the theater who got that joke. Such a nerd. I thought the still screen with the ad for Mark Hammil was unnecessary. They didn’t do it for Carrie Fisher, why Hammil? It’s not like they didn’t play up the Luke angle. The guy staring at the poster coming out of the movie also was Snowball in Clerks. Krusty ---
**Author:** ![dwtno](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/858c86/32.png) [@dwtno](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dwtno)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2001, 3:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-saw-jay-and-silent-bob-strike-back-what-did-you-catch-in-the-film-spoi/78150/50 "2001-08-30T03:53:56Z")
I took Jay’s shouting “Justice!” to the heavens as a Trek reference. (Kirk: “Kahhhhhhhn!!!” From Star Trek: The Wrath of Kahn) And speaking of Trek, the scene at the diner took place next to a very recognizable rock formation used in the original “Star Trek” series. Remember the Gorns from the episode “Arena?” In fact, note the name of the restaurant: Arena Diner. Outside of the Trek relm… - Chris Rock’s production assistant is wearing an “Infinity Highway” t-shirt just like Matt Damon’s at the beginning of “Dogma.” - Many of the music cues relate back to the earlier movies (for instance, listen for the “Chasing Amy” theme music when Holden is first introduced.) - In the credit roll, someone is listed as “Mewes Wrangler.” - Jay calls someone cockknocker in Chasing Amy. - Loved the “Land of the Lost” tribute. Thought I was going to spew Coke when Ferrell called himself Marshall Wilenholly! - And the Alanis Morissette appearance at the end has a very specific meaning. She’s holding a book open to the last page. The book is titled “Viewaskewniverse” and the last page says “The End.” God (i.e., Kevin) is closing the last chapter on his creation. So long Jay and Silent Bob. ---
**Author:** ![dwtno](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/858c86/32.png) [@dwtno](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dwtno)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2001, 4:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-saw-jay-and-silent-bob-strike-back-what-did-you-catch-in-the-film-spoi/78150/51 "2001-08-30T04:06:48Z")
One more… - Banky’s comic book store “Banky’s Secret Stash” looks an awful lot like Kevin’s real-life comic book store, “Jay and Silent Bob’s Secret Stash.” ---
**Author:** ![Gozu\_Tashoya](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/7993a0/32.png) [@Gozu\_Tashoya](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gozu_Tashoya)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2001, 6:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-saw-jay-and-silent-bob-strike-back-what-did-you-catch-in-the-film-spoi/78150/52 "2001-08-30T06:29:21Z")
Hooper’s response to Banky’s “Shaft” line at the end of the movie. I damn near pissed myself. ---
**Author:** ![silent\_rob](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e9a140/32.png) [@silent\_rob](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silent_rob)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2001, 6:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-saw-jay-and-silent-bob-strike-back-what-did-you-catch-in-the-film-spoi/78150/53 "2001-08-30T06:50:25Z")
Thank you kindly, **Audrey**. 😃 And thank you too, **PolishSausage**. I’m not sure, **pldennison**. It might have been Ernie, though he looked a little too bulky for Ernie (who’s pretty skinny compared to Ratface). But I’m seeing it again this weekend (“Hey Rob, we’re going to see JASBSB this weekend. You want to go again?” “Do I?!?”), so I’ll check again. Yep, **Tars** , they’re sisters; that’s why I mentioned them going together. And Adams was definitely playing Alyssa, because Trish made the comment as to why they hadn’t made the movie about her (Alyssa) and Holden from the “Chasing Amy” comic. ---
**Author:** ![silent\_rob](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e9a140/32.png) [@silent\_rob](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silent_rob)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2001, 7:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-saw-jay-and-silent-bob-strike-back-what-did-you-catch-in-the-film-spoi/78150/54 "2001-08-30T07:05:09Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by dwtno \* > \*\*- Banky’s comic book store “Banky’s Secret Stash” looks an awful lot like Kevin’s real-life comic book store, “Jay and Silent Bob’s Secret Stash.” \*\* Heh, right you are. 🙂 It’s the same comic book store, and they got the same people to make the sign for Brodie’s store who made it for their real-life store. Also, **Montfort** , Joey Lauren Adams and Kevin Smith are actually still pretty good friends. She was even going to do the commentary for the _Chasing Amy_ Criterion disc shortly after they broke up, but there was a scheduling problem (though Kevin speaks very highly of her on that track). The break-up wasn’t the reason for the her lack of parts in Kevin’s movies. The part of Bethany in _Dogma_ was originally written for Joey, but the studio meddled with that (plus she ended up being busy at the time of shooting, anyway). They said that they needed a bigger star to play the part (also the reason why Baby Dave wasn’t the cinematographer on _Dogma_). Kevin’s next movie is a drama/comedy, along the lines of _Chasing Amy_, starring Ben Affleck. Kevin is very much hoping to get Joey and Jason Lee to star in it, as well. ---
**Author:** ![HannibalV](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/e47c2d/32.png) [@HannibalV](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HannibalV)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2001, 8:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-saw-jay-and-silent-bob-strike-back-what-did-you-catch-in-the-film-spoi/78150/55 "2001-08-30T08:07:25Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Slacker \* > \*\*another one I caught: > > Jay was wearing a “Bezerker” shirt. Remember that dude from Clerks? \*\* It’s a little off-topic, but the “Berzerker” shirt is available for sale at your local comics shop (it may need to be ordered). It’s actually a tour t-shirt for the band Berserker–the “F\*ck Your Yankee Bluejeans Tour” to be exact. Trying to think if there’s anything I caught that no one else did…In the “Good Will Hunting 2” sequence, when the cameras are rolling, Affleck is putting on an intentionally awful fake accent, perhaps to show how bad his “GWH” accent could have been. The “gay serial killer movie” reference from Affleck to Damon was about “The Talented Mr. Ripley”. One more from the semi-obvious category: did you catch what Jay was doing when they got out of the Jeep in Hollywood? Sitting upright, then wiping his lips… Anyone know if/when we’ll see the screenplay published, as we did with “Clerks/Chasing Amy” and “Dogma”? ---
**Author:** ![dwtno](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/858c86/32.png) [@dwtno](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dwtno)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2001, 12:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-saw-jay-and-silent-bob-strike-back-what-did-you-catch-in-the-film-spoi/78150/56 "2001-08-30T12:34:53Z")
Thought of some more… - The boys try to climb aboard a Derris buslines bus. This was the same busline used in Dogma (twice!) and, of course, the name comes from the famous Rick Derris of Clerks. - When one of the girls pulls a knife on Jay, he looks at it and says (quite sincerely) “We gonna have cake?” This was a line cut from Dogma. - Although it’s an obvious one, no one’s mentioned Gus Van Sant, yet. He directed The real “Good Will Hunting” but was two busy counting his money to direct the fictional “Good Will Hunting 2.” - Another obvious rif, but the LA drug dealers, besides being members of the International Dealer’s Union with J&S.B, were also in other ways a mirror world version of J&SB: black & white, rather than skinny and fat, but one was silent while the other spoke. ---
**Author:** ![JosephFinn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/3bc359/32.png) [@JosephFinn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JosephFinn)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2001, 4:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-saw-jay-and-silent-bob-strike-back-what-did-you-catch-in-the-film-spoi/78150/57 "2001-08-30T16:03:41Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by pldennison \* > \*\* > > > [@](#): > > > > \*Originally posted by silent\_rob \* > > \*\*-“Ratface”, who is the production designer for this and other View Askew flicks, reprises the role of the cop he had in _Dogma_ when he arrests Jay & Silent Bob. In _Dogma_, he was the guy that got his neck snapped. > > \*\* > > Are you sure that was Ratface? It looked to me like Ernie O’Donnell, who played Rick Derris in _Clerks_. \*\* You’re both correct. Ratface plays the cop who has his neck snapped in _Dogma_. Ernie O’Donnell makes the obligatory Derris appearance in _Jay and Silent Bob_ as the cop who arrests them (and c’mon, of course Rick Derris would end up as a jerk cop). Incidentally, Ethan Suplee (the William of _Mallrats_) is the guys who rags on Jay and Bob’s mothers at the beginning of the movie: “Nice parenting!” Kudos to my wife for beating me to these references. ---
**Author:** ![Phoebestar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/13edae/32.png) [@Phoebestar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Phoebestar)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2001, 4:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-saw-jay-and-silent-bob-strike-back-what-did-you-catch-in-the-film-spoi/78150/58 "2001-08-30T16:18:34Z")
> [@](#): > > _Originally posted by JosephFinn \* > Incidentally, Ethan Suplee (the William of Mallrats) is the guys who rags on Jay and Bob’s mothers at the beginning of the movie: “Nice parenting!”_\* Actually, that’s not Ethan Supplee at the beginning. I don’t believe he was able to be in J&SBSB because of scheduling conflicts. I think, although I’m not sure, that the guy that criticizes Jay and Silent Bob’s mom is the guy that played Cohee Lundin in _Chasing Amy_, John Willyung. I see, however, that’s he’s not credited on the IMDB. It might be someone else… I know the guy’s been in other Smith films. Does anyone know who it is? It’s been bothering me. ---
**Author:** ![JosephFinn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/3bc359/32.png) [@JosephFinn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JosephFinn)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2001, 4:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-saw-jay-and-silent-bob-strike-back-what-did-you-catch-in-the-film-spoi/78150/59 "2001-08-30T16:45:59Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Phoebestar \* > \*\* > > > [@](#): > > > > _Originally posted by JosephFinn \* > > Incidentally, Ethan Suplee (the William of Mallrats) is the guys who rags on Jay and Bob’s mothers at the beginning of the movie: “Nice parenting!”_\* > > Actually, that’s not Ethan Supplee at the beginning. I don’t believe he was able to be in J&SBSB because of scheduling conflicts. > > I think, although I’m not sure, that the guy that criticizes Jay and Silent Bob’s mom is the guy that played Cohee Lundin in _Chasing Amy_, John Willyung. I see, however, that’s he’s not credited on the IMDB. It might be someone else… I know the guy’s been in other Smith films. Does anyone know who it is? It’s been bothering me. \*\* You know, I’m an idiot. That was John Willyung (the infamous “fingercuffs” dude). My brain had an outage. Sorry about that, and just for that I have to let a dead apostle wear my coat for a week. ---
**Author:** ![Joe\_Cool](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ecb155/32.png) [@Joe\_Cool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Joe_Cool)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2001, 5:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-saw-jay-and-silent-bob-strike-back-what-did-you-catch-in-the-film-spoi/78150/60 "2001-08-30T17:16:46Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by dwtno \* > **I took Jay’s shouting “Justice!” to the heavens as a Trek reference. (Kirk: “Kahhhhhhhn!!!” From Star Trek: The Wrath of Kahn)** I really don’t think that was a Khan reference, closer to a “FREEEEEEEEEEEDOOOOOOOOMMMMMMMMMM!!!” Braveheart reference. Any the one I saw that nobody seems to have mentioned: Holden said “Now look at these two morose lookin sonsabitches. Why the long faces, boys?” when Jay & Silent Bob showed up at his place to ask about likeness rights money. The same thing Jay said to him in the diner in Chasing Amy, when they showed up to collect their likeness rights money. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-saw-jay-and-silent-bob-strike-back-what-did-you-catch-in-the-film-spoi/78150.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-saw-jay-and-silent-bob-strike-back-what-did-you-catch-in-the-film-spoi/78150.md?page=4)