# You say you are a christian - I say you nead to grow up **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [March 13, 2002, 12:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-say-you-are-a-christian-i-say-you-nead-to-grow-up/97955 "2002-03-13T00:44:54Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Bhudda](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/57b2e6/32.png) [@Bhudda](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bhudda)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2002, 4:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-say-you-are-a-christian-i-say-you-nead-to-grow-up/97955/61 "2002-03-13T16:27:18Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by SeaHawk \* > \*\* > > Perhaps there aren’t many here, but ther is a whole lot of them out there, especially in USA. Everything from Southern Baptists , Mormons to Assembles of God. > > These types have often a very facistisc attitude towards non-believers and moderate christians. They are more or less programed by their “god” and their leaders. > > Remaining stupidity truncated > \*\* Ok, so you want to call out religion’s by denomination now? Ok, so here I am, a Southern Baptist. You want to bad mouth me and my religious views? You say I am programmed by my “leaders”? May be the pit, but cite that I am controlled in anyway by my Church. First, Jerry “Farawell” (It is actually Falwell, you troglodyte) and the like are promoting their personal beliefs, not the religious beliefs of all of the Southern Baptists in the world. I will openly say right now, as a Southern Baptist that Jerry Falwell is a hamster twat. I would imagine most Southern Baptist I know would think the same, if in a more polite, way about him. Now, on to the other topics. Evolution - Of course I believe in evolution. It is proven as a scientific principle and flat out obvious in the world. Now, how does that detract from my beliefs. My personal belief is God is omnipotent, that is all things are his. That means God created evolution; that is, evolution is one of the “tools” God used to create everything. Want to change my mind on this hypothesis, prove that God didn’t create evolution as a tool to create the world. The Bible - Of course it not a literal translation written down from someone who say things happen. Hell, read the wonderful series of articles on the straight dope board about who wrote the bible. It is a beautiful piece of work. Where you are getting confused is in is this; we do not say it is a direct, literal translation of the events (somewhat like a court record). What we say it is a divine, inspired work. That is God led the writers in what they created. The same could be said for the translators. Read the introduction to the King James Bible. It is written by the team of scribes who translated it. They openly say they did the best job they could in translating, and they hope God led them to do the job right. They make no claims it is perfect. And as for you talking down about the bible, and saying their are mistakes in it; have you ever read it and found one of these mistakes or discrepancies you speak of? To sum it up, you wish to argue a point. You have no education that I can see about the point you are arguing. Have you studied my religion before you told me how it works? If you want to bad mouth the bible, you also take on Jewish beliefs as well as some of the Moslem beliefs. Did you realize that? Instead you rip into Christians. News flash, it isn’t Christians who made all the prophesy about Jesus, it was the Jewish religion. Christians are the ones who believe these prophecies have happened. Simply put, your arguments are weak. You have studied nothing except some works from one Agnostic person. Someone told you to wait 10 or 15 years then speak on it. I will expand on that, spend 10 to 15 years studying religion - that includes all religions, then give us your opinion then. :wally ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2002, 4:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-say-you-are-a-christian-i-say-you-nead-to-grow-up/97955/62 "2002-03-13T16:31:36Z")
Any chance of this being moved to GD where it belongs? ---
**Author:** ![zev\_steinhardt](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/97f17d/32.png) [@zev\_steinhardt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/zev_steinhardt)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2002, 4:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-say-you-are-a-christian-i-say-you-nead-to-grow-up/97955/63 "2002-03-13T16:47:24Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Jeff Olsen \* > \*\*Any chance of this being moved to GD where it belongs? \*\* I would think not. It’s not a debate. It’s just one person’s ranting and raving and the rest of us pointing out to him how immature he is being. Zev Steinhardt ---
**Author:** ![SeaHawk](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ccd318/32.png) [@SeaHawk](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SeaHawk)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2002, 4:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-say-you-are-a-christian-i-say-you-nead-to-grow-up/97955/64 "2002-03-13T16:54:56Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Bhudda \* > \*\* > .My personal belief is God is omnipotent, that is all things are his. That means God created evolution; that is, evolution is one of the “tools” God used to create everything. Want to change my mind on this hypothesis, prove that God didn’t create evolution as a tool to create the world. > :wally \*\* This is what I mean by clutching at straws. ---
**Author:** ![Munch](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/munch/32/5281_2.png) [@Munch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Munch)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2002, 5:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-say-you-are-a-christian-i-say-you-nead-to-grow-up/97955/65 "2002-03-13T17:01:26Z")
Stop the presses. SH just made a post with zero errors in it! ---
**Author:** ![Bhudda](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/57b2e6/32.png) [@Bhudda](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bhudda)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2002, 5:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-say-you-are-a-christian-i-say-you-nead-to-grow-up/97955/66 "2002-03-13T17:08:43Z")
No errors, yes. Also no rebuttal. ---
**Author:** ![armedmonkey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/d6d6ee/32.png) [@armedmonkey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/armedmonkey)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2002, 5:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-say-you-are-a-christian-i-say-you-nead-to-grow-up/97955/67 "2002-03-13T17:09:50Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by SeaHawk \* > > > [@](#): > > > > _Originally posted by reprise_ > > It’s ironic that at least half of the people who’ve taken offence at the OP’s statements are agnostic or atheist. Wonder when he’ll make an OP regarding abortion…I can’t wait. > > \*\*Maybe it’s because many of you have swallowd the agenda of these bible facists. > People who believe and teach that jesus is the only way to god are nothing but facists. \*\* Huh? The atheists have swallowed the agenda of the bible fascists? But if they’re atheists, why would they…oh screw it. never mind. > [@](#): > > \*\*It wouldn’t surprise me if these types will find it hard to live here in a decade or so. I think politicans in Europe and USA are working with something that will limit their behavior and teaching. \*\*so to prevent fascism (well, “bible fascism”) the US needs to tear up the bill of rights and the first amendment? But if Americans were trying to prevent authoritarianism, why would we…oh fuck it. my head hurts. Why do I feel like one of the Billy Goats Gruff looking down from the bridge? ---
**Author:** ![tiggeril](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tiggeril/32/7234_2.png) [@tiggeril](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tiggeril)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2002, 5:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-say-you-are-a-christian-i-say-you-nead-to-grow-up/97955/68 "2002-03-13T17:13:45Z")
They say this cat Og is one bad motha… (Shut yo mouth!) :hurt voice: I’m just talkin’ bout Og… Ahhh…ssss… Og… Og it good! Ahh…ssss… Og it! Og it REAL GOOD! Og baby baby, baby baby… The og is a bloom, shoots up through the stony ground… there’s no room, no space to rent in this town… Out og luck, and the reason you had to care. The traffic is stuck, you’re not moving anywhere… \IT’S A BEAUTIFUL OG!! Don’t let it get away! And now it’s time to leave and make it alone… I know that I can’t take no more, and that ain’t no lie… og og og, baby og og og. Og you wanna be my lover, you have got to og. Oggin’ is too easy, but that’s the way it is… The only og who could ever reach me… was the og of a preacher man. The only og who could ever teach me… was the og of a preacher man. Yes he was, he was. Cause she walks like she ogs and she ogs like she walks… She ogs! She ogs! Oh, baby, when she moves, she moves. So take this wine, and drink with me. Let’s delay our misery. Og tonight, and fight the break of dawn… New York, London, Paris, Munich, everybody talkin’ 'bout og music! _OG: The Musical_ is an Off-Off-Off-Off-Off-Off-Off-Off-Off-Off-Off-Off-Off- Off-Off-Off-Off-Off-Off-Off-Off-Off-Off-Off-Off-Off-Off-Off-Off-Off-Off-Off-Off-Off-Off-Off-Off-Off-Off-Off- Off-Off-Off-Off-Off-Off-Off-Off-Broadway Production. ---
**Author:** ![Polycarp](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/82dd89/32.png) [@Polycarp](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Polycarp)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2002, 5:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-say-you-are-a-christian-i-say-you-nead-to-grow-up/97955/69 "2002-03-13T17:32:08Z")
> [@](#): > > My personal belief is God is omnipotent, that is all things are his. That means God created evolution; that is, evolution is one of the “tools” God used to create everything. Want to change my mind on this hypothesis, prove that God didn’t create evolution as a tool to create the world. > > This is what I mean by clutching at straws. > Stop the presses. SH just made a post with zero errors in it! \*\*Munch, you’re dead wrong. He made a post with no _grammatical or spelling_ errors. But it was a post with highly offensive errors of personal conduct and logic. **SeaHawk** , explain to me in what way **Bhudda** was “clutching at straws” in making the statement he did. Or be convicted, on the evidence of your own posts, of being as narrow-minded as every fundamentalist you’d care to tar with the term. ---
**Author:** ![Bhudda](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/57b2e6/32.png) [@Bhudda](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bhudda)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2002, 5:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-say-you-are-a-christian-i-say-you-nead-to-grow-up/97955/70 "2002-03-13T17:34:27Z")
Beeblebrox, Maybe this will help explain. Beeblebrox, this marklar wants to change your marklar. They don’t want this marklar or any of these marklars to have their own beliefs, because it’s bad for their marklar. He uses marklar to try and force marklars to believe his marklar. He will take all your marklars and replace them with marklar. So, he has come here, to SDMB. Please, let these marklars stay at the SDMB where they can grow and prosper, without any marklars, marklars, or marklars! Does that help? 😛 ---
**Author:** ![Hamlet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hamlet/32/2818_2.png) [@Hamlet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hamlet)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2002, 5:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-say-you-are-a-christian-i-say-you-nead-to-grow-up/97955/71 "2002-03-13T17:36:23Z")
Og is Dead!!! Followers of Og, it is not too late to save your souls. The way of Og is stewn with lies and leads only to eternal pain in the bowels of Ghell, where you will be tortured by incoherent, poorly spelled rants by immature, closeminded fools. For a mere $500, I can guarantee you eternal life through the great Ot. Ot is the way the truth and the life. Send the money soon, or Ot will call me home. ---
**Author:** ![imthjckaz](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/imthjckaz/32/3223_2.png) [@imthjckaz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/imthjckaz)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2002, 5:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-say-you-are-a-christian-i-say-you-nead-to-grow-up/97955/72 "2002-03-13T17:37:29Z")
Ok, who’s gonna start the "Why was SeaHawk Banned? thread? ---
**Author:** ![Ferrous](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/8e7dd6/32.png) [@Ferrous](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ferrous)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2002, 6:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-say-you-are-a-christian-i-say-you-nead-to-grow-up/97955/73 "2002-03-13T18:05:50Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Jeff Olsen \* > \*\*Any chance of this being moved to GD where it belongs? \*\* Oh, plenty of debates go in in the Pit. Some of them every bit as good as, or better than the GD ones. Plus you get to call each other “fucknugget.” ---
**Author:** ![Munch](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/munch/32/5281_2.png) [@Munch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Munch)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2002, 7:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-say-you-are-a-christian-i-say-you-nead-to-grow-up/97955/74 "2002-03-13T19:18:00Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by imthjckaz \* > \*\*Ok, who’s gonna start the "Why was SeaHawk Banned? thread? \*\* Yeah, I never saw _that_ one coming… Who’da thunk it? ---
**Author:** ![Hamlet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hamlet/32/2818_2.png) [@Hamlet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hamlet)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2002, 7:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-say-you-are-a-christian-i-say-you-nead-to-grow-up/97955/75 "2002-03-13T19:34:29Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Ferrous \* > \*\* > Oh, plenty of debates go in in the Pit. Some of them every bit as good as, or better than the GD ones. Plus you get to call each other “fucknugget.” \*\* You’re wrong. Fucknugget. ---
**Author:** ![Ferrous](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/8e7dd6/32.png) [@Ferrous](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ferrous)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2002, 7:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-say-you-are-a-christian-i-say-you-nead-to-grow-up/97955/76 "2002-03-13T19:41:12Z")
Go felch something, asshat. 😛 ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2002, 7:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-say-you-are-a-christian-i-say-you-nead-to-grow-up/97955/77 "2002-03-13T19:58:47Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Ferrous \* > \*\* > Oh, plenty of debates go in in the Pit. Some of them every bit as good as, or better than the GD ones. Plus you get to call each other “fucknugget.” \*\* Aha! You fell into my trap by ensuring this thread will _never_ be elevated from the pit! 😛 ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2002, 8:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-say-you-are-a-christian-i-say-you-nead-to-grow-up/97955/78 "2002-03-13T20:14:28Z")
Actually, I was expecting this thread to be locked once the banning took place so my question would have been rendered moot. ---
**Author:** ![Judith\_Prietht](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/b19c9b/32.png) [@Judith\_Prietht](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Judith_Prietht)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2002, 8:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-say-you-are-a-christian-i-say-you-nead-to-grow-up/97955/79 "2002-03-13T20:34:31Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by tiggeril \* > Ahhh…ssss… Og… Og it good! Ahh…ssss… Og it! Og it REAL GOOD! Og baby baby, baby baby… > And now it’s time to leave and make it alone… I know that I can’t take no more, and that ain’t no lie… og og og, baby og og og. > > Og you wanna be my lover, you have got to og. Oggin’ is too easy, but that’s the way it is… > > The only og who could ever reach me… was the og of a preacher man. The only og who could ever teach me… was the og of a preacher man. Yes he was, he was. > > Cause she walks like she ogs and she ogs like she walks… She ogs! She ogs! Oh, baby, when she moves, she moves. > > So take this wine, and drink with me. Let’s delay our misery. Og tonight, and fight the break of dawn… > > New York, London, Paris, Munich, everybody talkin’ 'bout og music! > _OG: The Musical_ is an Off-Off-Off-Off-Off-Off-Off-Off-Off-Off-Off-Off-Off- Off-Off-Off-Off-Off-Off-Off-Off-Off-Off-Off-Off-Off-Off-Off-Off-Off-Off-Off-Off-Off-Off-Off-Off-Off-Off-Off- Off-Off-Off-Off-Off-Off-Off-Off-Broadway Production. Oh my freaking Og! **tiggeril** , it’s almost illegal how much I’m rolling. You truly rock. And **Polycarp** , thanks. I wasn’t expecting such lucid, intelligent reasoning so late in my day. ---
**Author:** ![ultrafilter](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/3d9bf3/32.png) [@ultrafilter](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ultrafilter)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2002, 8:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-say-you-are-a-christian-i-say-you-nead-to-grow-up/97955/80 "2002-03-13T20:39:25Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by imthjckaz \* > \*\*Ok, who’s gonna start the "Why was SeaHawk Banned? thread? \*\* I think we’re posting in it right now. And I’ve just got to say, reading you guys’s tearing an idiot into shreds reminded me of just how badly I’ve missed this place. Thanks, everybody. 🙂 [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-say-you-are-a-christian-i-say-you-nead-to-grow-up/97955.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-say-you-are-a-christian-i-say-you-nead-to-grow-up/97955.md?page=5)