# You sir are DISGUSTING! **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [January 13, 2003, 2:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-sir-are-disgusting/148232 "2003-01-13T02:53:01Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 10
**Author:** ![Lilairen](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/8491ac/32.png) [@Lilairen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lilairen)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2003, 10:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-sir-are-disgusting/148232/181 "2003-01-14T22:34:22Z")
> [@](#): > > And not just because it’s immoral, but because trying to have such an agreement with a friend was BOUND to blow up in your face at some point. No, I don’t think it was BOUND to blow up at some point; there are plenty of people who have this sort of relationship with complete success and amicability. On the other hand, insisting on the relationship being clandestine seems likely to me to increase the odds of it blowing up. (I’m speaking of someone who has had until recently a relationship with someone who was closeted about said relationship to a variety of people important to his life; regardless of whether or not we were legitimately involved, _I_ felt that it was being treated as a cheating relationship. It caused me a serious amount of stress and anguish, and, while I didn’t feel that I could legitimately demand that the other party stop lying about our relationship (he wasn’t, in a technical sense, but – well, technical senses don’t always get through to the emotions), until he did “come clean” about it, it was hellish.) If one doesn’t work to make agreements about things like sex with a friend, who the hell can one expect to make such an agreement with? ---
**Author:** ![blowero](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/41988e/32.png) [@blowero](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/blowero)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2003, 11:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-sir-are-disgusting/148232/182 "2003-01-14T23:52:19Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Beadalin \* > Unsatisfactory to… you? To who? If you’d read this thread carefully, which I don’t think you did, you’d have noticed where **M\_G** shared that her agreement with her former friend came into play after she left an eight-year relationship in which she was deeply in love. Most people don’t end eight-year relationships with ease, and most are emotionally unavailable for a great deal of time after such a break-up. So because she was emotionally unavailable, you think she should also be sexually unavailable? Why? Especially in what was, according to the terms of their agreement, a safe environment for her to enjoy her own and her friend’s sexuality? I’m not suggesting that nobody should ever have casual sex. I admit I have done it myself. I just think the idea of commitment without love is rather odd. I suspect another motive, one that perhaps she isn’t ready to admit to. When people are hurt (by losing someone they loved for 8 years, for example), they often will subconsciously do things to make themselves unavailable, because they don’t want to get hurt again. It’s not that I don’t think she should have sex, it’s that I think what she did was emotionally unhealthy for her. By “committing” to this friend when they didn’t share love, she took herself out of circulation, preventing herself from truly falling in love again. I don’t see the upside to that. The only possible benefit would be to be able to have unprotected sex without getting an STD, and she said she wasn’t all that into the sex anyway. I just don’t get how you think that was a good idea. > [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Lady of the Lake \* > blowero, > > Yes, but does the outcome of her choice HAVE to be the outcome that has actually taken place? Your statement seems to assume that no other outcome is possible, which is just not true. > > So, why should she have to re-evaluate her lifestyle choices if the outcome is not a given within her lifestyle choice? IN MY OPINION, buddy-fucking arrangements like that are bound to end badly. I like to think that after knocking around this planet for a few decades, that I have learned a little about how people relate to each other. > [@](#): > > Okay, here’s my big problem with your post. > > Cite? Excuse me, did you think we were having a DEBATE? I’m just applying a little common sense to the situation. I think you’d be pretty hard-pressed to find ANY psychologist who is of the opinion that having a long-term exclusive sexual relationship with a platonic friend is an emotionally healthy thing to do. I’m sure as hell not going to PROVE it to you. If you disagree, that’s your choice. > [@](#): > > Basically I don’t think her type of relationship is BOUND to blow up, not only because we have had actual proof in this thread of a successful ‘friendsexship’, but because I think this is a personal lifestyle judgment transferring to someone else’s life. This just isn’t a fair thing to do as we do not know enough about her, but also because are we suddenly made God that our lifestyles are the ‘perfect kind’? It generalizes her situation and all situations like her, and I do not this helps the discussion. That’s such bullshit. My life is by no means ‘perfect’. I’ve made tons of mistakes, and I’ve seen my friends make tons of mistakes. At some point, if you are observant, you start to see a pattern. [quote] Okay, I feel that by adding ‘unsatisfactory’ to describe her ‘kind of relationship’ you are adding another unnecessary personalized judgment that does not deserve to be there. WAS her relationship unsatisfactory DURING the relationship? Only she can answer that, not you. [quote] She already answered that. This would be a satisfactory relationship: “I’m so in love with this guy. We have fantastic sex. I want us to grow old together.” This is UNsatifactory: “Well, I really just want to be friends with him, but he wants to have sex, so what the hell?” Sorry, it just ain’t a good relationship. I don’t know how to be more clear on that. > [@](#): > > Basically, don’t we have to prove that this type of relationship HAS to be unsatisfactory across the board before adding subjective labels like this? Uh, no - we don’t. Stop with the proof thing already. > [@](#): > > The issue of this thread is that a trusted friend broke her trust. > > Perhaps I should explain why I am arguing against some of the judgments here with a little story: > > A homosexual man starts a thread about his long time partner leaving him and the grief he feels. Many people support him, but a few people join the thread with one purpose in mind. To tell him how immoral homosexuality is and that he is going to hell, to tell him how likely homosexual relationships are to lead to depression, to let him know that heterosexual relationships are the ‘best’ way, and to link to Christian lifestyle websites etc… > > How does this deal with the point of the thread: his grief at the ending of a relationship? Is this REALLY the best time to be doing the preaching? Is it entirely appropriate in this situation? \*\* Oh shit! Your little story is SO off-base. Fuck you for trying to make me look like a homophobe.:mad: You picked the wrong guy to respond to, because I was NOT preaching. If you had read my post carefully you would have known that. In my opinion, homosexuality is NOT immoral. Here’s my point, which obviously completely whooshed you: What makes a good relationship is LOVE, plain and simple. If two men or two women love each other, more power to them. But if you try to have a sexual relationship without love, you are simply asking for trouble. IN MY OPINION. ---
**Author:** ![blowero](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/41988e/32.png) [@blowero](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/blowero)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2003, 12:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-sir-are-disgusting/148232/183 "2003-01-15T00:00:52Z")
If a Mod could fix my coding error in the preceding post, I would be grateful. ---
**Author:** ![blowero](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/41988e/32.png) [@blowero](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/blowero)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2003, 12:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-sir-are-disgusting/148232/184 "2003-01-15T00:06:23Z")
One more thing: I think there might be some confusion about my intent. I never meant to imply that I think Mighty Girl is a _bad person_, because I don’t think that. I just think that the decisions she made were bad _for her_. ---
**Author:** ![Incubus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/c68b51/32.png) [@Incubus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Incubus)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2003, 12:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-sir-are-disgusting/148232/185 "2003-01-15T00:43:09Z")
ditto. I think there is some misunderstanding here about the intent of some posters. I’m not condemning the actions done, I’m giving my feedback about it. There is a definite knee-jerk response to this, a “If you are contrary to my stance, then fuck off and die” attitude. I think there is more than a thin red line between defending one’s actions/beliefs and attacking others who disagree. ---
**Author:** ![loinburger](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/db5fbb/32.png) [@loinburger](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/loinburger)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2003, 3:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-sir-are-disgusting/148232/186 "2003-01-15T03:43:00Z")
> [@](#): > > _Originally posted by **EasyPhil** _ > Then by this logic, **Mighty\_Girl** shouldn’t have a problem if she hasn’t contracted a disease from this guy. There was not emotional connection, no harm, no foul, right??? I don’t see how that follows. She trusted a friend who then violated that trust by breaking a promise that he made to her while at the same time putting her needlessly at risk-- that, IMO, constitutes “harm.” I just don’t see what was “harmful” about her not telling Friend A that she was having casual sex with Friend X, i.e. I don’t understand why you called her a liar. > [@](#): > > _Originally posted by **Incubus** _ > I’m not condemning the actions done > [@](#): > > _Originally posted by **Incubus** _ > There is no honor among thieves. Please explain. ---
**Author:** ![CasperQ](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f0a364/32.png) [@CasperQ](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CasperQ)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2003, 4:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-sir-are-disgusting/148232/187 "2003-01-15T04:31:03Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by UncleBill \ ***\My wife wants the truth, and that is what she will get from me. If she says “Does this make me look fat?” it is not a trap. If it makes her look fat, I may be diplomatic, and tell her she looks thinner in another dress/color/style, but I WILL tell her. If she asks me, she wants to know my opinion. \** Just a slight hijack, here - I sure wish EVERYONE were as honest as **UncleBill** and his wife; it’d make life a heckofa lot simpler… \ [sub]end hijack[/sub] ---
**Author:** ![Mighty\_Girl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/7bcc69/32.png) [@Mighty\_Girl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mighty_Girl)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2003, 5:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-sir-are-disgusting/148232/188 "2003-01-15T05:24:05Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by **EasyPhil** \* > Then by this logic, **Mighty\_Girl** shouldn’t have a problem if she hasn’t contracted a disease from this guy. There was not emotional connection, no harm, no foul, right??? What logic exactly? Maybe you didn’t take the time to read the entire thread but for your own consumption I will give you a short version: There was emotional connection. He was my friend. That’s exactly my complain. We both made a promise. He broke it. Even if there wasn’t ANY emotional connection a promise is a promise in my book. Even if made to a stranger. I am sorry that your High Moral Beliefs doesn’t include the keeping of promises and sees no problem with that. I didn’t promise my friends or family that I would notify them if I had sex. Therefore by not notifying them I am not lying. If they had asked I would have just told them to mind their own business. So how exactly did you get the above conclusion based on the scenario I describe above. ---
**Author:** ![Mighty\_Girl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/7bcc69/32.png) [@Mighty\_Girl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mighty_Girl)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2003, 5:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-sir-are-disgusting/148232/189 "2003-01-15T05:37:55Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by **blowero** \* > One more thing: I think there might be some confusion about my intent. I never meant to imply that I think Mighty Girl is a _bad person_, because I don’t think that. I just think that the decisions she made were bad _for her_. > [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by **blowero** \* > And **not just because it’s immoral** , but because trying to have such an agreement with a friend was BOUND to blow up in your face at some point. (emphasys mine) Let’s see, I am not a bad person. But I commit inmoral acts. Since actions don’t happen in a vacuum for an inmoral action to happen the person who commit it must be by definition inmoral. So I am not bad, just inmoral. Glad to have that clear. ---
**Author:** ![techchick68](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ea5d25/32.png) [@techchick68](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/techchick68)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2003, 6:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-sir-are-disgusting/148232/190 "2003-01-15T06:55:01Z")
> [@](#): > > Crafter\_Man said: > > I disagree that “everybody deserves better.” IMO, only women of admirable moral character and self-respect deserve a virtuous man. Which begs the question: Do you think you’re a woman of character? Do you feel self-respect is one of your strong attributes? That’s a fucking LOW fucking blow, asshole, if I don’t say so myself. Yeah I disagree with her methods of having a relationship, but that, sir, is one fucked way to put it. Look, she made a bad decision and that’s that, I think she knows in now, maybe, maybe not. Could she have done better? Hell yes, but that, sir, is one fucked up statement/question. People make bad decisions, they do what their heart thinks is right, they plug along hoping they judged the person correctly. She didn’t make the right decision with the right guy but you for you to state that makes me fucking ill. I have made more “bad moral decisions” in my life than I care to admit. While I do believe she set her self up for a falling out, I sure as fuck, asshole, don’t believe that you have any right to request her to respond to bullshit like that. She did what she did, right or wrong, but fucking A what a dick you come across as. I only came in here to give her my past transgresions (sp), as a 34 year old woman that may or may not have a lot of regrets. But for you to pull that bullshit. Sir, you SUCK donkey ass while fucking an armadillo with your tiny penis. This was a civil conversation until you stopped in here, questioning her character. BULLSHIT. I was actually hoping for a Pit thead that could be resolved with civilized resolve. Your post just set me off the edge. “IMO, only women of admirable moral character and self-respect deserve a virtuous man.” So what does that have to do the with the OP??? ---
**Author:** ![techchick68](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ea5d25/32.png) [@techchick68](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/techchick68)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2003, 7:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-sir-are-disgusting/148232/191 "2003-01-15T07:05:26Z")
Look, I need to clarify something. I don’t think that **Mighty** made the best decision in her life. But I don’t completely fault her, except for that whole " I learned something" thing, that she needs own up to. But there’s not one point I think that she needs to be apologetic to any fucking person in this thread, including me. She went in, possibly eyes closed to the possiblities. However, there, in this thread, as far as I am concerned, a point to be rude or nasty with her about her decision. We all learn the hard way in some ways. I applaud her for being up-front and honest. Do I agree with her methods? NO, I don’t and I hope she learns from it. But this is hardly a thread to be a dick/asshole/bitch in. Was I self-righteous, I 'spose I have been but that’s based on past experiences that have been less than satisfying so I suck at that. Most of them have been extremely emotional things that hurt me. But don’t you sit there and be an ass because of whatever. She vented. Some of us disagreed with her methods, but didn’t come down on her. This is isn’t a pile on type of thread. This is a “I agree, I am sorry.” or a " I don’t agree and here are my reasons" thread. She never asked you to agree but she sure as fuck didn’t ask you to be a dick about it. She has every right to be pissed. I just wish some of those of us that have gone through a similar thing in the past had been able to steer her the other way…lilfe happens but don’t give her shit. ---
**Author:** ![EasyPhil](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/e47c2d/32.png) [@EasyPhil](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EasyPhil)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2003, 7:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-sir-are-disgusting/148232/192 "2003-01-15T07:19:26Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Mighty\_Girl \* > \*\*What logic exactly? > > Maybe you didn’t take the time to read the entire thread but for your own consumption I will give you a short version: > > There was emotional connection. He was my friend. That’s exactly my complain. > \*\* I didn’t want to take the liberty of re-posting your original OP, but I did pull the last paragraph: > [@](#): > > **Why, oh why? Why can’t people be honest? My respect for him would have remained intact. My already dim respect for humanity wouldn’t have been further damaged. And he still has the nerve to casually deny it, “I don’t know what you are talking about”. Yeah, right. Scrape up some honesty and self-worth you sad excuse for a man and tell the truth. Save whatever little respect I might have had left for you; you just blew your last chance not to be included in my list of People that Thoroughly Disgust Me.** Now here’s the point I’m making. You’re essentially living a lie, involved in a clandestine sexual whatever you want to call it. You’re doing what ever you need to do to conceal it from family and friends i.e. your “paranoia”, you’re not exactly operating in a “honest” fashion. Is it reasonable for him to trust you, given these circumstances? Frankly I don’t see why you’re hanging your hat on this whole honesty thing, when you don’t seem to have a problem **not** being honest. > [@](#): > > \*\* > We both made a promise. He broke it. Even if there wasn’t ANY emotional connection a promise is a promise in my book. Even if made to a stranger. I am sorry that your High Moral Beliefs doesn’t include the keeping of promises and sees no problem with that.\*\* First of all **Mighty\_Girl** , you don’t know what my beliefs are, or what I will or will not do, but I will tell you this; I will not sneak around having sex with someone under oath of secrecy. That’s just plain ludicrous, I don’t have to live like that. YMMV. > [@](#): > > \*\* > I didn’t promise my friends or family that I would notify them if I had sex. Therefore by not notifying them I am not lying. If they had asked I would have just told them to mind their own business. > > So how exactly did you get the above conclusion based on the scenario I describe above. \*\* Well, do you portray yourself as a honest person to your family and friends? If the answer to that is yes, why can’t you talk to them about this? ---
**Author:** ![blowero](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/41988e/32.png) [@blowero](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/blowero)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2003, 7:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-sir-are-disgusting/148232/193 "2003-01-15T07:30:01Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Mighty\_Girl \* > \*\*Let’s see, I am not a bad person. But I commit inmoral acts. Since actions don’t happen in a vacuum for an inmoral action to happen the person who commit it must be by definition inmoral. So I am not bad, just inmoral. > > Glad to have that clear. \*\* There are actions that hurt others, and there are actions that hurt only yourself. If you engage in self-destructive behavior that ultimately hurts _you_, that doesn’t make you an evil person. Where exactly did I lose you on that? Are you upset because I DON’T think you’re evil? BTW, I usually try not to comment on spelling, but you wrote “inmoral” 3 times in the same paragraph. It’s spelled: IMmoral. ---
**Author:** ![techchick68](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ea5d25/32.png) [@techchick68](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/techchick68)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2003, 7:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-sir-are-disgusting/148232/194 "2003-01-15T07:58:21Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by EasyPhil \* > > Well, do you portray yourself as a honest person to your family and friends? If the answer to that is yes, why can’t you talk to them about this? Even though I have been against her method of this “relationship” as she said from the beginning. It’s none of the their fucking business. None, what-so-ever. If I chose to have a clandestine relationship, then it is so but there is no requirements for me to tell even my best friend. That is my honor to honor myself with the relationship I chose to reveal or not. What harm does that you, if you were a member of the family? This shouldn’t even be part of this conversation you guys. She decided it was a relationship, while a bad choice in my opinion, but a relationship she wanted to have. So why does that predispose (sp) her family to it? Her family had nothing to do with it as far as I can tell. Hell I have many relationships that are not of my family’s concern. Does this make me dishonest? Honestly? Am I dishonest for not telling them of a fuck buddy situation? Umm, NO, this is my life. I prefer to go about it in a way that makes sense to me. If I am required to reveal my tangles at 34, never married, please fucking shoot me. FUCK, that’s such bullshit. ---
**Author:** ![techchick68](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ea5d25/32.png) [@techchick68](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/techchick68)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2003, 8:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-sir-are-disgusting/148232/195 "2003-01-15T08:07:48Z")
DAmn, now I defending her… But hell, what the fuck does me or anyone for that matter have to do with being an _honest_ person? Life, shit, the world happens. FUCK. ---
**Author:** ![Mighty\_Girl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/7bcc69/32.png) [@Mighty\_Girl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mighty_Girl)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2003, 11:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-sir-are-disgusting/148232/196 "2003-01-15T11:56:46Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by **EasyPhil** \* > Now here’s the point I’m making. You’re essentially living a lie, involved in a clandestine sexual whatever you want to call it. You’re doing what ever you need to do to conceal it from family and friends i.e. your “paranoia”, you’re not exactly operating in a “honest” fashion. Is it reasonable for him to trust you, given these circumstances? Frankly I don’t see why you’re hanging your hat on this whole honesty thing, when you don’t seem to have a problem **not** being honest. > > First of all **Mighty\_Girl** , you don’t know what my beliefs are, or what I will or will not do, but I will tell you this; I will not sneak around having sex with someone under oath of secrecy. That’s just plain ludicrous, I don’t have to live like that. YMMV. For the umtiempth time I will explain to you: It is not a custom, nor a requirement that I notify my family and friends of whom I sleep with. I am never notified myself what they are up to in this regards. It is the nature of our relationship: don’t ask, don’t tell. NOBODY has ever asked "are you sleeping with Guy in Question? Nor have they asked “are you celibate?”. You don’t want to live that? Good for you, go ahead and get the center page of your local paper to inform your acquaintances of your sexual activities, or lack thereof. Do not insist that I am doing wrong, my informing them is not make their life better, I am not denying them of any certain joy. > [@](#): > > _Originally posted by **blowero** _ > BTW, I usually try not to comment on spelling, but you wrote “inmoral” 3 times in the same paragraph. It’s spelled: IMmoral. And how exactly is that relevant to the subject matter. :eek: Is it a sign of my moral character? Not that you are entitled to the explanation, anyways, English is my second language and I am not about to start spellchecking my posts. ---
**Author:** ![Mighty\_Girl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/7bcc69/32.png) [@Mighty\_Girl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mighty_Girl)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2003, 12:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-sir-are-disgusting/148232/197 "2003-01-15T12:33:04Z")
What really gets to me is the Holier Than Thou attitude of certain posters. You think this particular relationship was bound to end? So did I. It was a temporary arrangement, we just didn’t mark an end-date in the calendar. Was it bound to end badly? the chances were the same for any relationship, IMO. Everybody here is operating in this regard ignoring the ONLY available data that we have, that is, that of 4 posters that have confessed to having done this only ONE had this result. Mr. Guy in Question would not have been faithful if we had walked down the isle. What caused this is a flaw in his character, not the lack of a ring. I can accept that you feel uncomfortable being yourself in this type of relationship, not everything is made for everybody, there are certain things I would not do. If your moral rules dictates that this type of relationship is i **m** moral (as some have expressed) it does not mean that it is inherently flawed (as in “it will end in tears”). Don’t mix one and the other. There is ABSOLUTELY nothing that guarantees that a relationship will be successful in the long run. However, you are trying to impose your moral values in me, questioning my character for having a relationship without commitment. I dare to disagree. Even if it had been true that there was not commitment (and there was) I don’t think it is i **m** moral if nobody is hurt or a promise is broken. And there was a sentimental (although not romantic) relationship, but this is STILL not enough for the SDMB Moral and Religious Squad. As we have been duly informed sex without “commitment” (church sanctioning?) is i **m** moral. You have decided that a woman (person, whatever) that have sex “without commitment” is a person that either commits “in **m** moral” acts, is a “thief”, is of questionable “moral character” and lacks “self respect”. Notice quote marks. Now I ask you. Who the fuck died and left you in charge of Morals? Cecil? ---
**Author:** ![UncleBill](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/d26b3c/32.png) [@UncleBill](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/UncleBill)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2003, 1:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-sir-are-disgusting/148232/198 "2003-01-15T13:09:23Z")
NO **CECIL** DIDN’T DIE !! **CECIL** CAN’T DIE!! NOOOooooooo… This may be late, (bottom of page 4), but how are you sure he DID sleep with Girl X? You say he has denied it. Did SHE tell you? Or is it a third party, ignorant of your former relationship? I’m just curious is that rant was justified. ---
**Author:** ![Mighty\_Girl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/7bcc69/32.png) [@Mighty\_Girl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mighty_Girl)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2003, 1:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-sir-are-disgusting/148232/199 "2003-01-15T13:15:20Z")
A common acquaintance, obviously ignorant of the situation, jokingly informed me of certain previously unacquainted ladies of questionable repute who spent the whole night in his hotel room in a certain recent trip. I refuse to believe they were singing old sailors songs. ---
**Author:** ![Mighty\_Girl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/7bcc69/32.png) [@Mighty\_Girl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mighty_Girl)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2003, 1:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-sir-are-disgusting/148232/200 "2003-01-15T13:17:09Z")
Oh by the way. He does accept that said incident happen. He just denies the sex part. Ahem… [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-sir-are-disgusting/148232.md?page=9) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-sir-are-disgusting/148232.md?page=11)