# You, sir. Yes, you! Are a partisan asshole. **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [August 6, 2011, 11:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-sir-yes-you-are-a-partisan-asshole/591780 "2011-08-06T23:10:33Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 10
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2011, 7:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-sir-yes-you-are-a-partisan-asshole/591780/181 "2011-08-14T07:33:04Z")
> [@Bosstone](#): > > Yeah, I just don’t see why people think you’re obnoxious. Taking the opportunity to launch into an anti-liberal rant rather than actually deal with the conversation at hand is totally cool. You’re the one who raised the issue, aren’t you? You claimed that my assertions about the effect of liberalism had been disproved, and I simply countered that by showing that they hadn’t. > [@Bosstone](#): > > Well yeah, and the ones who take any opportunity to explain how conservatives are the root of all evil are also tiresome. Or are you ignoring the fact that Der Trihs got tagged in here too? Yeah, he got tagged here - _in this thread_! But neither he nor most of the board’s other raving lefties come in for the sort of criticism I do for saying essentially the same thing only in political reverse. > [@Bosstone](#): > > If you can’t see why “I don’t know why I get dumped on when I tell liberals they’re responsible for everything wrong in the country. It’s not like I swear” is either disingenuous or rock stupid, you’re really not any better than SA. I have never said anything remotely like this. I know perfectly well why I get dumped on, and swearing has nothing to do with it. Where swearing comes in is in comparison with posters whose behavior in that regard is much worse than mine yet I get tagged for being abusive. There are posters on this board who can scarcely start a post without insulting the intelligence of whoever they’re talking to and call their opponents every name in the book (except those no longer allowed) and yet no one ever calls them abusive. I don’t do that and generally strike a less personally insulting tone, and yet I’m the one who gets tagged for being abusive. Again, it all boils down to politics. > [@GIGObuster](#): > > just gave up on Starving Artist when a discussion turned into looking for evidence that liberals were the reason why conservatives confuse the origins of life with evolution, SA not only ignored the direct quotes of conservative groups pushing for that confusion in legislative bodies or in academia, when pressed into finding sources that showed liberals or scientists that actively confused poor conservatives into an ignorant scientific position like Evolution=origin of life (Evolution does not deal with the origins of life or the universe, Abiogenesis and Cosmology does) SA produced a Google Vomit (posting a google search and not ever looking at what the hits did say) when he was cornered into finding evidence for his position. And there was nothing wrong with that. We could have thrown cites back and forth all day showing what this guy said or that guy did and gotten exactly nowhere. So I showed that Google easily found tons of instances where liberal comments on evolution had led people to confuse evolution with abiogenesis, and that was the end of that. > [@GIGObuster](#): > > That he never noticed how unreasonable or silly was that assholish maneuver told me volumes of what his methods of debate are. Nope, it was neither silly nor assholish. It was simple, quick and conclusive, and it proved my point about as perfectly as it could be proved. ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2011, 7:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-sir-yes-you-are-a-partisan-asshole/591780/182 "2011-08-14T07:36:35Z")
Well, I think I’ve done an adequate job of taking on all comers this evening, but I was getting tired of all this before **GIGObuster** and **Robot Arm** showed up and I’m not about to start a new round with them. I’m out for the night. ---
**Author:** ![Omg\_a\_Black\_Conservative](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/7ba0ec/32.png) [@Omg\_a\_Black\_Conservative](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Omg_a_Black_Conservative)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2011, 7:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-sir-yes-you-are-a-partisan-asshole/591780/183 "2011-08-14T07:38:05Z")
> [@GIGObuster](#): > > Well, I’m just saying, and I also pointed at other examples, (one from this thread, once again showing his very dumb debating or argument tactics) care to ignore it too? > > The point here is that yes, not all conservatives are like that; heck, even here there have been already more than 2 posters that are conservative or leaning that way that are telling you that you are making a huge mistake into defending SA. I’m not defending anyone. Just pointing out the fact that it works both ways. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2011, 7:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-sir-yes-you-are-a-partisan-asshole/591780/184 "2011-08-14T07:41:41Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > And there was nothing wrong with that. We could have thrown cites back and forth all day showing what this guy said or that guy did and gotten exactly nowhere. So I showed that Google easily found tons of instances where liberal comments on evolution had led people to confuse evolution with abiogenesis, and that was the end of that. Only that it was not, I also pointed there that your Google Vomit was a very stupid tactic as even I posted that your first link from that Google search actually showed the opposite of what you tried to demonstrate. > [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > Nope, it was neither silly nor assholish. It was simple, quick and conclusive, and it proved my point about as perfectly as it could be proved. All it showed is that you ignored even a demonstration of why that tactic was stupid. But I’m not complaining much, the objective there was to show how dumb that was, the fact that you are still trying to tell others that it was still one your “finest hours” is direct evidence of your delusion. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2011, 7:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-sir-yes-you-are-a-partisan-asshole/591780/185 "2011-08-14T07:44:51Z")
> [@Omg\_a\_Black\_Conservative](#): > > I’m not defending anyone. Just pointing out the fact that it works both ways. And I’m just saying, you need to find better examples to comment about, otherwise I will have to assume you are not finding anything wrong on what SA is doing. ---
**Author:** ![Robot\_Arm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/robot_arm/32/18280_2.png) [@Robot\_Arm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Robot_Arm)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2011, 7:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-sir-yes-you-are-a-partisan-asshole/591780/186 "2011-08-14T07:50:35Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > Well, I think I’ve done an adequate job of taking on all comers this evening, but I was getting tired of all this before **GIGObuster** and **Robot Arm** showed up and I’m not about to start a new round with them. I’m out for the night. I was talking to **John Mace** , not you. But damn, I guess I’m not on **Starving** ’s ignore list. ETA: Does anyone think he’s actually gone for the night? ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2011, 8:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-sir-yes-you-are-a-partisan-asshole/591780/187 "2011-08-14T08:06:33Z")
> [@GIGObuster](#): > > Only that it was not, I also pointed there that your Google Vomit was a very stupid tactic as even I posted that your first link from that Google search actually showed the opposite of what you tried to demonstrate. > All it showed is that you ignored even a demonstration of why that tactic was stupid. > > But I’m not complaining much, the objective there was to show how dumb that was, the fact that you are still trying to tell others that it was still one your “finest hours” is direct evidence of your delusion. I don’t remember what the first link said, but I do know it doesn’t matter in the slightest. I said in that thread that lots of people had been confused over the years by liberal comments on evolution, comments which gave rise to a fairly widespread belief that evolution, presented as the alternative to creationism, explains the origin of life. Google found lots of hits to support that contention and it doesn’t matter a whit what the first link says. Now I’m out. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2011, 8:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-sir-yes-you-are-a-partisan-asshole/591780/188 "2011-08-14T08:09:29Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > No, it’s more like, to use my response to _Bosstone_ as an example, I make a comment about how liberalism has rent asunder the fabric of American life and caused all these social problems we have today, and you come charging in yelling “Cite that liberals tore America’s social fabric!” Clearly no cite can reasonably be expected to exist which would prove or disprove my claim either way. That’s not actually true, as you know, because you’ve been given plenty of cites that disprove all of those claims, repeatedly. You are, of course, correct that no single cite can prove all of those claims. Because those claims are all false. Which you know. And **Robot Arm** wins a kewpie doll! ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2011, 8:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-sir-yes-you-are-a-partisan-asshole/591780/189 "2011-08-14T08:10:18Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > I don’t remember what the first link said, but I do know it doesn’t matter in the slightest. I said in that thread that lots of people had been confused over the years by liberal comments on evolution, comments which gave rise to a fairly widespread belief that evolution, presented as the alternative to creationism, explains the origin of life. Google found lots of hits to support that contention and it doesn’t matter a whit what the first link says. > > Now I’m out. And then you also ignore then why the other links were suspect, you see, on a Google Vomit you also got (more often than not) creationist tripe that attempted to pass as science, in other words: worthless citations. Keep digging SA, the point I also tried to make there and here is that you are indeed still deluded into thinking that was a winning strategy. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2011, 8:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-sir-yes-you-are-a-partisan-asshole/591780/190 "2011-08-14T08:22:30Z")
Also, this point was missed on that sad example of defending ignorance: you do need to check the citations **if only to demonstrate to others that you understand even the basics of the subject**. You are indeed wrong in assuming that you gave “plenty of cites that disprove all of those claims” because **you never did check what you got in the Google Vomit** I did though. When you are not being able to identify the good sources from the bad is clear evidence for all that you are not being capable of discriminating the good information from the bad, or that you are an incompetent or a partisan tool. Choose your poison. ---
**Author:** ![El\_Kabong](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/el_kabong/32/496_2.png) [@El\_Kabong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Kabong)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2011, 1:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-sir-yes-you-are-a-partisan-asshole/591780/191 "2011-08-14T13:09:42Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > This country is chock-a-block with kids growing up troubled, under educated and underprivileged in single-parent homes, drug addicts and drug-related death and criminality are rampant, we have a revolving door prison system, a lousy educational system, and an almost complete breakdown in sexual morality - > > **a breakdown so complete that one in four high school girls has an STD…** Really? one quarter of all high-school age females in the United States is infected with a STD? [That’s not what the CDC says](http://www.cdc.gov/std/stats09/tables/trends-table.htm). The highest rate for high-school-age females (for gonorrhea in African American females aged 15-19 in the cited 2009 study) is 2.6 percent, not 25 percent. Even without that, what rational person could possibly believe that 25% of all high-school age girls in the United States have sexually-transmitted diseases? Do you really believe this would go completely unreported or undiscussed? > [@](#): > > **…and kids are giving each other blow jobs in grade school classrooms.** You keep bringing this bizarre factoid up, to a point where frankly it comes off as creepy. Are you trying to get us to believe that there is some sort of epidemic of grade-school age blow jobs going on, taking place in the schools themselves? Have you a single reference that demonstrates that this is a common or widespread issue? > [@](#): > > Each and every one of these problems is directly traceable to liberal values and liberal social engineering. No, no they are not; I remind you you haven’t even got your facts straight, much less linked them in any substantive way to ‘liberalism’. You saying they are is pure opinion, based, as we see above, on ‘facts’ that you, in the most charitable interpretation, have misrepresented. > [@](#): > > None of this has been disproven. Well, yes it has. You partisan asshole. ---
**Author:** ![El\_Kabong](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/el_kabong/32/496_2.png) [@El\_Kabong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Kabong)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2011, 1:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-sir-yes-you-are-a-partisan-asshole/591780/192 "2011-08-14T13:57:25Z")
> [@Omg\_a\_Black\_Conservative](#): > > But launching an anti-conservative rant is cool, right? Because that’s pretty much what happens almost like clockwork around here. OK, so we’re agreed that launching baseless anti-conservative rants is bad behavior, right? So, assuming this agreement, launching baseless anti-liberal rants in response is: a) bad behavior b) perfectly justified by the circumstances; ‘I give as good as I get’ c) a justifiable means of punishing any members of this board who I deem to be unfair to conservatives d) well, it’s really just trolling, but I seem to be able to get away with it in this form and it garners me the attention I crave. For me, I’m pretty sure that only one of the above answers is correct for a person who claims to have any personal integrity. BTW, nice screen name. Not intended as a partisan jab al all, I’m sure. ---
**Author:** ![mhendo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mhendo/32/3159_2.png) [@mhendo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mhendo)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2011, 4:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-sir-yes-you-are-a-partisan-asshole/591780/193 "2011-08-14T16:16:14Z")
> [@El\_Kabong](#): > > Really? one quarter of all high-school age females in the United States is infected with a STD? [That’s not what the CDC says](http://www.cdc.gov/std/stats09/tables/trends-table.htm). The highest rate for high-school-age females (for gonorrhea in African American females aged 15-19 in the cited 2009 study) is 2.6 percent, not 25 percent. In **Starving Artist** ’s world, a factor of 10 is mere liberal quibbling. You’re just obfuscating the issue. Some more [pesky evidence](http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/mm5730a1.htm): > [@](#): > > The lack of recent change in the prevalence of HIV- and STD-related risk behaviors among high school students might have contributed to recent increases in related health outcomes. For example, during 2003–2006, in the 33 states with confidential, name-based HIV infection reporting, the estimated\*\* annual number of HIV/acquired immunodeficiency syndrome cases diagnosed among adolescents aged 15–19 increased 34%, from 993 in 2003 to 1,332 in 2006\*\* (7). Similarly, after decreasing annually since 1999, **gonorrhea infection rates among adolescents aged 15–19 years increased 2% from 2004 to 2005, from 421.9 to 431.8 per 100,000, and then increased 6% from 2005 to 2006, from 431.8 to 458.8 per 100,000** (8). Also, birth rates among adolescents aged 15–19 years decreased annually during 1991–2005 and then increased for the first time during 2005–2006, from 40.5 live births per 1,000 females in 2005 to 41.9 in 2006 (9). Programs and activities aimed at addressing these health outcomes should involve parents and families, schools, youth-serving organizations, health-care providers, the media, government agencies, and youths themselves. ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2011, 5:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-sir-yes-you-are-a-partisan-asshole/591780/194 "2011-08-14T17:18:12Z")
> [@](#): > > Each year, between 8 and 10 million American teens contract a sexually transmitted disease.[47] According to the U.S. Centers for Disease Control, almost half of the 19 million sexually transmitted diseases reported in the U.S. occur in young people, ages 15 to 24.[48] Lloyd Kolbe, director of the CDC’s Adolescent and School Health program, called the STI problem “a serious epidemic.”[49] The younger an adolescent is when they first have intercourse, the more likely they are to get a STI throughout their teenage years.[50] > > Human papillomavirus (HPV) is the most common STI among teens as well as adults.[51] In the CDC study, 18% of teen girls were infected with HPV.[52] Another study found that HPV infections account for about half of STIs detected among 15- to 24-year-olds each year.[53] While most HPV infections cause no disease, HPV does cause genital warts and cervical cancer. An HPV vaccine protects women against two HPV types which cause 70% of cervical cancers as well as two types associated with 90% of genital warts.[48] Ideally the woman should be vaccinated before initial sexual activity, since the vaccine is only effective before exposure to the HPV types. > > **A 2008 study by the CDC found that one in four teen girls, or an estimated 3 million girls, has an STI**.[52] The study of 838 girls who participated in a 2003–04 government health survey found the highest overall prevalence among black girls, nearly half in the study were infected, compared with 20 percent among both whites and Mexican-American teens.[54] The same study found that, among those who were infected, 15% had more than one STI, and 20% of those who said they had only one sexual partner were infected.[52] > > In the CDC study, 4% were infected with chlamydia, historically the most prevalent of all STIs in the general population. More than a third of all chlamydia cases occur in those aged 15 to 19.[55] > > In the CDC study, 2% were infected with herpes simplex. The herpes infection rate fell between 1988 and 2004 among teens as well as the overall population.[56] Overall, the number of Americans aged 14 to 49 who tested positive for herpes 2 infection fell by a relative rate of 19 percent between 1988 and 2004—from 21 percent in the late 1980s and early 1990s to 17 percent 10 years later, the researchers reported. The number of people aged 14 to 19 who tested positive for new herpes simplex 2 infections dropped from 5.8 percent in a 1988–1994 survey to just 1.6 percent 10 years later. [bolding mine] [Cite](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adolescent_sexuality_in_the_United_States) ---
**Author:** ![mhendo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mhendo/32/3159_2.png) [@mhendo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mhendo)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2011, 5:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-sir-yes-you-are-a-partisan-asshole/591780/195 "2011-08-14T17:50:26Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > [bolding mine] > > [Cite](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adolescent_sexuality_in_the_United_States) I am literally dumbfounded. [slow handclap] I do believe that is the first time in years (perhaps ever) that i have seen you present relevant and accurate information to support a factual claim. I acknowledge that you were correct about the 1 in 4 figure. [Here](http://www.cdc.gov/stdconference/2008/press/release-11march2008.htm) is the original CDC press release. See, that really wasn’t very hard, was it? Despite all your retarded bleating and whining and pathetic excuses, straightforward factual claims generally can either be supported or they can’t. If they can, you’ll generally find that people are willing to look at the evidence honestly. Of course, there are different orders of fact and interpretation, and one of your big problems is your completely ahistorical outlook, and your constant obsession with drawing extremely problematic and unjustified causative chains. Even if 1 in 4 teenage girls has an STD, the idea that this was caused by liberalism is so completely stupid as to defy all logic and reason. Take the sexually transmitted diseases issue. Sure, it’s possible that the rise in STDs might be traced, in some small measure, to what you call “liberal values and liberal social engineering.” But the idea that it can be “directly traced” is completely absurd, and shows a total lack of understanding about the complexities of historical change. Also, if we’re looking for proximate causes, it seems to me that it is just as logical to blame the increase on conservative opposition to proper sex education in America’s schools. You will, of course, poo-poo even the possibility, and will no doubt fall back on some version of “Well, it’s only under liberalism that teenagers want to have sex all the time.” And that is part of your dishonesty. Even when you’re right about particular facts and issues, your interpretive framework is not one of rationality and historical understanding; it is simply an attempt to shoehorn everything into your ideological obsessions. ---
**Author:** ![Bosstone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/22d042/32.png) [@Bosstone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bosstone)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2011, 6:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-sir-yes-you-are-a-partisan-asshole/591780/196 "2011-08-14T18:35:03Z")
> [@mhendo](#): > > You will, of course, poo-poo even the possibility, and will no doubt fall back on some version of “Well, it’s only under liberalism that teenagers want to have sex all the time.” And that is part of your dishonesty. Even when you’re right about particular facts and issues, your interpretive framework is not one of rationality and historical understanding; it is simply an attempt to shoehorn everything into your ideological obsessions. Shakespeare was the beginning of the end. ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2011, 8:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-sir-yes-you-are-a-partisan-asshole/591780/197 "2011-08-14T20:54:21Z")
> [@El\_Kabong](#): > > Anyway, your statement above again assumes facts not in evidence. Two fucking words: “social conservative”, actually spoken by someone else other than the person being described, and with no further elaboration, and you are already constructing some elaborate edifice of presumed evil. Based on two words. That’s frankly a bit deranged. Very noble sounding - except of course you fail to come up with examples. What “socially conservatives” beliefs are neither malignant, bigoted, nor tyrannical? That blacks are inferior? That women shouldn’t be allowed in leadership positions? That sex is evil? That Christianity is the One True Religion and should be enshrined in law? That homosexuality should be outlawed? That it isn’t rape if she’s your wife? You say I shouldn’t condemn someone because of the label “social conservative”, but then don’t given any details of the actual social conservative beliefs he has - because it would then become obvious why I condemn him from the phrase “social conservative”, or that he actually isn’t a “social conservative” at all. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2011, 9:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-sir-yes-you-are-a-partisan-asshole/591780/198 "2011-08-14T21:38:16Z")
Got me curious, too. In the last few centuries, the liberal democracies have gradually (at times grudgingly) accepted that women aren’t stupid, blacks aren’t stupid, nonChristians aren’t evil… what “socially conservative” values did you mean, El\_Kabong? I’m a little hard-pressed to think up a “conservative” value that has been “lost” that didn’t _deserve_ to be lost since it no longer served a useful function and/or came to be seen as serving a negative function. ---
**Author:** ![curlcoat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ea5d25/32.png) [@curlcoat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/curlcoat)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2011, 10:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-sir-yes-you-are-a-partisan-asshole/591780/199 "2011-08-14T22:16:13Z")
> [@Der\_Trihs](#): > > Very noble sounding - except of course you fail to come up with examples. What “socially conservatives” beliefs are neither malignant, bigoted, nor tyrannical? Smaller government. ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2011, 10:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-sir-yes-you-are-a-partisan-asshole/591780/200 "2011-08-14T22:21:15Z")
> [@curlcoat](#): > > Smaller government. That’s not a socially conservative belief. You can’t impose your code of behavior on other people without a large government; not a small one. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-sir-yes-you-are-a-partisan-asshole/591780.md?page=9) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-sir-yes-you-are-a-partisan-asshole/591780.md?page=11)