# You-Solve-It Mafia Game **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [December 11, 2007, 6:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-solve-it-mafia-game/429636 "2007-12-11T18:21:39Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 11
**Author:** ![brewha](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/91b2a8/32.png) [@brewha](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brewha)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2007, 5:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-solve-it-mafia-game/429636/201 "2007-12-14T17:15:27Z")
Since the conversation has dropped into the gutter, I will take this moment to clarify that I am NOT a woman despite what the femine “a” at the end of my name may imply. I’m am not at all opposed to showing my ‘boobs’, but I doubt there will be any requests. ---
**Author:** ![HazelNutCoffee](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/ac91a4/32.png) [@HazelNutCoffee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HazelNutCoffee)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2007, 5:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-solve-it-mafia-game/429636/202 "2007-12-14T17:17:27Z")
Mmm. Man-boobs. ---
**Author:** ![Freudian\_Slit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/5daacb/32.png) [@Freudian\_Slit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Freudian_Slit)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2007, 5:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-solve-it-mafia-game/429636/203 "2007-12-14T17:17:55Z")
And I’m not a guy. Even though the word Freud is in my name. ---
**Author:** ![Hal\_Briston](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/a9a28c/32.png) [@Hal\_Briston](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hal_Briston)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2007, 5:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-solve-it-mafia-game/429636/204 "2007-12-14T17:23:49Z")
[QUOTE=Santo Rugger] Speaking of six, as long as we don’t have to do any Six Sigma training, system process or safety documentation training, I’m up for anything. [/QUOTE] Actually, some kind of safety training sounds like it could be very helpful in the near future. ---
**Author:** ![ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e9bcb4/32.png) [@ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2007, 6:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-solve-it-mafia-game/429636/205 "2007-12-14T18:36:08Z")
_Emergency Procedures_ If you should ever come upon a dead body, always remember that your first phone call should always be to the Corporate Legal Team. ---
**Author:** ![Hockey\_Monkey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/a183cd/32.png) [@Hockey\_Monkey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hockey_Monkey)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2007, 6:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-solve-it-mafia-game/429636/206 "2007-12-14T18:38:34Z")
I’ll point out that I am not a guy, but I still like boobies. I see a Sexual Harrassment Seminar in our near future. ---
**Author:** ![sachertorte](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sachertorte/32/3727_2.png) [@sachertorte](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sachertorte)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2007, 7:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-solve-it-mafia-game/429636/207 "2007-12-14T19:56:58Z")
[QUOTE=Hockey Monkey] I’ll point out that I am not a guy, but I still like boobies. [/QUOTE] That’s okay. I’m a guy, and I don’t like boobies; so we balance out. ---
**Author:** ![Mtgman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/b5a626/32.png) [@Mtgman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mtgman)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2007, 8:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-solve-it-mafia-game/429636/208 "2007-12-14T20:03:10Z")
> [@Hockey Monkey](#): > > I see a Sexual Harrassment Seminar in our near future. Yea, and this place being a monastery originally, and therefore having communal sleeping and bathing facilities may complicate matters. Enjoy, Steven ---
**Author:** ![Santo\_Rugger](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e95f7d/32.png) [@Santo\_Rugger](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Santo_Rugger)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2007, 8:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-solve-it-mafia-game/429636/209 "2007-12-14T20:09:57Z")
[QUOTE=Hal Briston] Actually, some kind of safety training sounds like it could be very helpful in the near future. [/QUOTE] \*\*\*\* off. I do safety basis for a plutonium facility. The last thing I need is more safety training. ---
**Author:** ![Freudian\_Slit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/5daacb/32.png) [@Freudian\_Slit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Freudian_Slit)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2007, 8:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-solve-it-mafia-game/429636/210 "2007-12-14T20:19:44Z")
Ewww. Communal bathing facilities? Okay, I’ll be in the hot tub. They may be communal but I call dibbsies for the next hour. Now where did I put my bubbles, my bathwater gin and my ducky? (Okay, okay, because it’s an office theme…um…I’m washing off the stench of TPS reports and water cooler talk.) ---
**Author:** ![NAF1138](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naf1138/32/3245_2.png) [@NAF1138](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NAF1138)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2007, 9:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-solve-it-mafia-game/429636/211 "2007-12-14T21:34:35Z")
I know what you are thinking, "What, a Dawn post? Already? But Day wasn’t supposed to start for an hour! There were so many boobies! We can’t start yet! I’m frightened. " Yes, I know. But it will be alright. You see, unlike other mafia games, when you read this only one of you will be dead. Comforting, no? Dawn is coming early to this peaceful mountain retreat. It would seem that Disgruntled Associates LLP held a meeting last Night and decided to make an example out of one of you. You find Santo Rugger a good friend and associate strung up outside the entrance to the monastery. His body had clearly been moved from the place he was killed. and hung there as a warning. You cut his body down and take it to the cemetery (handy that the monastery has a cemetery isn’t it?) and give dear old Santo a proper burial. You look around for clues as to who did this. Surely the killers are among you. But you see nothing but a sea of frightened faces. You seem to all come to the same conclusion at once. None of you are safe until the killers in Disgruntled Associates LLP are dead. You decide that you will have pitch someone off the cliff each Day and rummage through their briefcase to determine their association. (The teambuilding exercises are paying off already, look at the quality groupthink you have going on!). Santo Rugger – Associate is dead. With 18 alive it will be 9 to start the 12 hour countdown and 12 for an instant pitch off the mountainside. The Day will end no later than 1 week from this post. Friday December 21st at 1:30 pm Pacific (by board time). Remember if no one gets at least 9 votes, no one gets chucked off the mountain. Santo Rugger, you have 48 hours from the time of this post to PM your final message to the Mods, or we will post one for you. Meeting adjourned. Go Team! ---
**Author:** ![NAF1138](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naf1138/32/3245_2.png) [@NAF1138](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NAF1138)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2007, 9:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-solve-it-mafia-game/429636/212 "2007-12-14T21:46:19Z")
Let’s give you an accurate player list too. In the order y’all signed up: 1.storyteller0910 2.HazelNutCoffee 3.Freudian Slit 4.brewha 5.MHaye 6.ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies 7.sachertorte 8.Hawkeyeop 9.ShadowFacts 11. Pleonast 12. One And Only Wanderers 13. Rysto 14. Hal Briston 15. faithfool 16. zuma 17. Hockey Monkey 18. Kat 19. Diomedes Past Players 10.Santo Rugger - Associate killed Night 1 ---
**Author:** ![Rysto](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/ecccb3/32.png) [@Rysto](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rysto)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2007, 9:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-solve-it-mafia-game/429636/213 "2007-12-14T21:50:25Z")
That can’t be right. **Santos Rugger** not scum? That’d never happen. This must be some kind of trick. ---
**Author:** ![ShadowFacts](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/shadowfacts/32/2934_2.png) [@ShadowFacts](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ShadowFacts)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2007, 9:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-solve-it-mafia-game/429636/214 "2007-12-14T21:50:33Z")
[QUOTE=NAF1138] 10.Santo Rugger - Associate killed Night 1 [/QUOTE] Well, there goes my first vote 😉 It is kind of funny that he finally gets to be Town but gets offed before he can actually play. “Instant Karma gonna get you.” 🆒 ---
**Author:** ![storyteller0910](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecae2f/32.png) [@storyteller0910](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/storyteller0910)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2007, 9:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-solve-it-mafia-game/429636/215 "2007-12-14T21:52:32Z")
All right, now that we can talk, let’s start with the big and obvious question: the dossiers. How do they affect the game, and can anyone think of even the tiniest disadvantage to revealing them publicly? I can’t, yet, and I’ve been thinking about it for two days. ---
**Author:** ![Santo\_Rugger](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e95f7d/32.png) [@Santo\_Rugger](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Santo_Rugger)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2007, 9:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-solve-it-mafia-game/429636/216 "2007-12-14T21:54:51Z")
I was highly suspecting that was going to happen. Damn you Disgruntleds for not letting me see more boobies! But, thanks, it’s kind of an honor of sorts to be the first one taken out. Good luck ass-ociates, have fun with your cubicleness. 😃 I’ll try and get my death scene out before I leave work today, so you guys can have as much time as possible with it. ---
**Author:** ![Rysto](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/ecccb3/32.png) [@Rysto](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rysto)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2007, 9:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-solve-it-mafia-game/429636/217 "2007-12-14T21:57:46Z")
[QUOTE=storyteller0910] All right, now that we can talk, let’s start with the big and obvious question: the dossiers. How do they affect the game, and can anyone think of even the tiniest disadvantage to revealing them publicly? I can’t, yet, and I’ve been thinking about it for two days. [/QUOTE] Well, the scum are just going to lie about their dossiers. Why wouldn’t they? Unless there’s some hidden mechanism in the game for revealing living players’ dossiers, we’d never catch anybody in a lie, either. The trouble we have with the dossiers is that we don’t know exactly how they’re going to play into this game – there’s that nagging 7% of the game that’s been left hidden. So, absent a good reason to reveal the dossiers, I’d be wary of revealing them myself. ---
**Author:** ![storyteller0910](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecae2f/32.png) [@storyteller0910](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/storyteller0910)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2007, 10:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-solve-it-mafia-game/429636/218 "2007-12-14T22:03:25Z")
[QUOTE=Rysto] Well, the scum are just going to lie about their dossiers. Why wouldn’t they? Unless there’s some hidden mechanism in the game for revealing living players’ dossiers, we’d never catch anybody in a lie, either. The trouble we have with the dossiers is that we don’t know exactly how they’re going to play into this game – there’s that nagging 7% of the game that’s been left hidden. So, absent a good reason to reveal the dossiers, I’d be wary of revealing them myself. [/QUOTE] Well, the only thing I thought of is next to meta-gaming, but still, here it is. The scum would _have_ to lie about their dossiers, of course, which would mean making up completely original facts. It is possible that, looking at each person’s list, we would be able to see a pattern or two. For example, the mods have all but stated that there is a certain amount of overlap among dossiers. For this reason, any dossiers that have absolutely _no_ overlap with any others are likely to be invented. Of course, the problem is that there’s no way to simultaneously post our dossiers, so scum would be able to create a certain amount of overlap. Still, they’d be forced to try to invent something out of whole cloth that fits into an overall pattern that they can’t see in full. Does that make sense? ---
**Author:** ![sachertorte](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sachertorte/32/3727_2.png) [@sachertorte](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sachertorte)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2007, 10:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-solve-it-mafia-game/429636/219 "2007-12-14T22:08:04Z")
[QUOTE=storyteller0910] All right, now that we can talk, let’s start with the big and obvious question: the dossiers. How do they affect the game, and can anyone think of even the tiniest disadvantage to revealing them publicly? I can’t, yet, and I’ve been thinking about it for two days. [/QUOTE] I wary of the Dossiers. Scum could use the information to game the system and manipulate the town. Also, scum lie, and as **Rysto** points out, there is no way to catch scum in a Dossier lie (is there? I can’t think of any). My current position is that the public information is pro-town and that the rest of the dossier is there to confuse us. A note on numbers: NAF mentioned 17%. 1/6 = 0.16667, which rounds to 17%. NAF mentioned a 7% secret. 1/14 = 0.07142, which rounds to 7%. 19 players - 5 scum = 14. I conclude that we have a secret role. ---
**Author:** ![Rysto](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/ecccb3/32.png) [@Rysto](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rysto)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2007, 10:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-solve-it-mafia-game/429636/220 "2007-12-14T22:10:46Z")
It’s just too easy, though. A mass claim is the most obvious move than any ruleset must be able to deal with. In the last game( **Pleonast** ’s Conspiracy game) the mass claim idea came up as well. It would have ended up being disastrous for the Town, though, because of a hidden recruitment mechanic in the rules. Just because there’s no readily apparent answer to a mass claim doesn’t mean that our esteemed mods haven’t dealt with it. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-solve-it-mafia-game/429636.md?page=10) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-solve-it-mafia-game/429636.md?page=12)