# You-Solve-It Mafia Game **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [December 11, 2007, 6:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-solve-it-mafia-game/429636 "2007-12-11T18:21:39Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 31
**Author:** ![Boozahol\_Squid\_P.I](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/d9b06d/32.png) [@Boozahol\_Squid\_P.I](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boozahol_Squid_P.I)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2007, 6:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-solve-it-mafia-game/429636/601 "2007-12-21T18:29:44Z")
Thank you for your valued service to the corporation, **MHaye**. Please leave your keys and badge on your desk, and security will escort you to the Employee Discharge Center. ---
**Author:** ![Hal\_Briston](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/a9a28c/32.png) [@Hal\_Briston](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hal_Briston)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2007, 6:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-solve-it-mafia-game/429636/602 "2007-12-21T18:41:58Z")
Huh…that’s odd – I could’ve sworn I had a vote on the table, but for the life of me I can’t find it. Well, here’s where I was going with it: Vote **zuma** I’m still befuddled by his “dio is town like me” quote – was that ever adequately explained (I’m willing to concede that there is a chance that it was, and I missed it). However, even though I’m putting this out there now, I would be willing to get on board with a switch to **Mhaye** if it became necessary at the end of the day. ---
**Author:** ![Hal\_Briston](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/a9a28c/32.png) [@Hal\_Briston](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hal_Briston)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2007, 6:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-solve-it-mafia-game/429636/603 "2007-12-21T18:43:26Z")
And now that I finally click “submit” on the post I wrote two hours ago (stupid _work_ getting in the way…), I find that my vote is mostly moot…ah well… ---
**Author:** ![NAF1138](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naf1138/32/3245_2.png) [@NAF1138](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NAF1138)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2007, 7:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-solve-it-mafia-game/429636/604 "2007-12-21T19:09:15Z")
With about 2 hours and 30 minutes left to go, here is an official vote count so all you stats keepers can keep up with your stats. 10 - MHaye - (OAOW, zuma, brewha, Dio, Hawkeyeop, Kat, Cookies, Pleonast, HockeyMonkey, Freudian Slit) 3 - zuma - (sach, Mhaye Hal Briston) 1 - Diomedes - (Storyteller) 1 - brewha - (ShadowFacts) 15 of 18 votes cast Day will end at 1:30 today Pacific time. (just under 2 1/2 hours from now) ---
**Author:** ![MHaye](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/bbe5ce/32.png) [@MHaye](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MHaye)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2007, 7:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-solve-it-mafia-game/429636/605 "2007-12-21T19:28:12Z")
So let’s get this straight. **Zuma** sets an order of dossier revelation. The person before me posts his dossier at 2am, a time when I am in fact asleep. I spend the daytime hours prioritising real life, and deal with both placing a vote and posting my dossier within five hours of the close of the business day (so maybe 6 hours total, as I tended to turn my attention to games about 4pm). Then **Zuma** claimed I made you wait, _when I was following his timetable_. Something smells there. Perhaps Mr. **Zuma** has some explaining to do. ---
**Author:** ![NAF1138](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naf1138/32/3245_2.png) [@NAF1138](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NAF1138)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2007, 8:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-solve-it-mafia-game/429636/606 "2007-12-21T20:29:47Z")
The workday ends in exactly one hour. Hurry it along people. ---
**Author:** ![Freudian\_Slit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/5daacb/32.png) [@Freudian\_Slit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Freudian_Slit)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2007, 8:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-solve-it-mafia-game/429636/607 "2007-12-21T20:31:00Z")
So if ten people have voted, that’s a majority and if no one changes anything, then **MHaye** will die? ---
**Author:** ![NAF1138](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naf1138/32/3245_2.png) [@NAF1138](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NAF1138)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2007, 8:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-solve-it-mafia-game/429636/608 "2007-12-21T20:38:00Z")
[QUOTE=Freudian Slit] So if ten people have voted, that’s a majority and if no one changes anything, then **MHaye** will die? [/QUOTE] Yup. ---
**Author:** ![Boozahol\_Squid\_P.I](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/d9b06d/32.png) [@Boozahol\_Squid\_P.I](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boozahol_Squid_P.I)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2007, 8:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-solve-it-mafia-game/429636/609 "2007-12-21T20:38:50Z")
[QUOTE=Freudian Slit] So if ten people have voted, that’s a majority and if no one changes anything, then **MHaye** will die? [/QUOTE] Looks like it. If any of the current voters for **MHaye** back off, we’ll have a no-lynch. ---
**Author:** ![NAF1138](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naf1138/32/3245_2.png) [@NAF1138](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NAF1138)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2007, 8:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-solve-it-mafia-game/429636/610 "2007-12-21T20:45:12Z")
ok, guys. I am going to lunch, so I might be a tiny bit late with the end of Day post. Remember, the Day ends at 1:30 pacific time regardless. If you have anything strategywise to discuss speak now or till Monday hold your peace. ---
**Author:** ![HazelNutCoffee](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/ac91a4/32.png) [@HazelNutCoffee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HazelNutCoffee)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2007, 8:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-solve-it-mafia-game/429636/611 "2007-12-21T20:57:59Z")
Whew. We’re still in the Day, right? For some reason I thought the day ended 4pm Central time. I think that was the last game. Anyway. vote **zuma** For being inconsistent in strategy, and for not explaining the “Dio is town like me” quote. I wish I had more and stronger reasons, but such is voting on the first Day. :: crawls back under blankets :: ---
**Author:** ![Kat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/b19c9b/32.png) [@Kat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kat)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2007, 9:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-solve-it-mafia-game/429636/612 "2007-12-21T21:05:13Z")
[QUOTE=MHaye] So let’s get this straight. **Zuma** sets an order of dossier revelation. The person before me posts his dossier at 2am, a time when I am in fact asleep. I spend the daytime hours prioritising real life, and deal with both placing a vote and posting my dossier within five hours of the close of the business day (so maybe 6 hours total, as I tended to turn my attention to games about 4pm). Then **Zuma** claimed I made you wait, _when I was following his timetable_. Something smells there. Perhaps Mr. **Zuma** has some explaining to do. [/QUOTE] While it may be true that the person#1 (Rysto) posted while you were asleep, you posted twice between the time Rysto put up his dossier and you put up yours. The delay was caused by your need to ask Hal what he knew about your dossier. The timeline of the dossier reveals goes like this: 12-15-07 12’24 AM Central Time, Post 286 zuma announces MHaye as person #2 to reveal dossier 12-15-07 5:30 AM Central Time, Post 300 MHaye questions zuma’s random-order generation plan 12-17-07 8:28 AM Central Time, Post 338 zuma gives up on the random order and starts posting his dossier (rather incoherently from his phone) 12-17-07 9:03 AM Central Time, Post 343 MHaye posts that he’s undecided about revealing and thinks he’s overlooking something, and will let everyone know in a few hours (about 7 PM GMT) what he’s decided. (Note: According to [timezoneconverter.com](http://timezoneconverter.com), 9:03 AM Central Time is 3:03 PM GMT, so he gave himself 4 hours here. He actually posted his dossier manifesto (see two notes down) at GMT 9:47 PM on 12/18, over 36 hours after he made this post) 12-17-07 8:05 PM Central Time, Post 395 Rysto (person #1 on the random-order list) posts his dossier 12-18-07 2:33 PM Central Time, Post 435 MHaye posts, chiding faithfool for self-voting and voting for zuma, also says he wants to take some time drafting his bit about dossier reveals. 12-18-07 3:47 PM Central Time, post 445 MHaye posts his opinion on dossier reveals, asks Hal a question. 12-18-07 5:02 PM Central Time, post 452 Hal answers MHaye’s question 12-18-07 5:45 PM Central Time, post 453 MHaye responds to Hal’s answer and posts his dossier ---
**Author:** ![sachertorte](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sachertorte/32/3727_2.png) [@sachertorte](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sachertorte)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2007, 9:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-solve-it-mafia-game/429636/613 "2007-12-21T21:09:08Z")
End of Day Post: I’m at peace with the **MHaye** lynch. While I’m not currently voting for MHaye, I do not have strong objections to the decision. Who I find suspicious and why - **zuma** The “dio is town” comment certainly started the suspicion, and I think that I would have been able to get past it had zuma answered questions directed at him promptly. My trouble is I asked zuma about the dio comment (12/17 10AM EST), and I had to ask a second time (12/18 9AM EST) to get a response. zuma posted at least 5 times between the first request and the second. I found his avoiding the issue suspicious and it earned my vote, which is where my vote stands. Along with my vote I asked zuma to explain the his thinking from designing a random approach to dossier reveals to ignoring his own reveal policy. That query also as gone unanswered. Therefore, I am suspicious and remain suspicious of zuma. **faithfool** She could just be inexperienced. But she could be inexperienced scum too. The most serious point of suspicion I have is her self vote. As scum, her self-labeled inexperience could be a liability as she could accidently out her teammates. Killing herself off prevents such a mistake. As Town, she would have nothing to worry about and has no need to self-vote. While neither side would benefit from a teammate’s suicide, I can see more scum reasons for doing so than town. **brewha** I have lingering suspicions on brewha. He responded to my query, but I’ll need to think about him some more. ---
**Author:** ![Freudian\_Slit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/5daacb/32.png) [@Freudian\_Slit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Freudian_Slit)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2007, 9:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-solve-it-mafia-game/429636/614 "2007-12-21T21:27:44Z")
[QUOTE=sachertorte] **faithfool** She could just be inexperienced. But she could be inexperienced scum too. The most serious point of suspicion I have is her self vote. As scum, her self-labeled inexperience could be a liability as she could accidently out her teammates. Killing herself off prevents such a mistake. As Town, she would have nothing to worry about and has no need to self-vote. While neither side would benefit from a teammate’s suicide, I can see more scum reasons for doing so than town. [/QUOTE] I keep coming back to this too. Inexperienced does not equal innocent in a game like this. I remember in the last game, where I was inexperienced (and often used that as an excuse), it turns out that I was the most dangerous role in the entire game. I hadn’t thought of the suicidal thing–it was something I wouldn’t have done last game but then I wasn’t really on a team. **Faithfool** ’s strategy just really reminds me of mine last game. Unfair or not–I would’ve probably acted like that even if I were a freemason, it’s just making me think. ---
**Author:** ![Freudian\_Slit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/5daacb/32.png) [@Freudian\_Slit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Freudian_Slit)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2007, 9:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-solve-it-mafia-game/429636/615 "2007-12-21T21:35:21Z")
NETA: At this point in the game I don’t want to vote for her since we’re so close to getting **MHaye** off. And it’s only suspicion. I’m sticking with my vote. ---
**Author:** ![Kat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/b19c9b/32.png) [@Kat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kat)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2007, 9:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-solve-it-mafia-game/429636/616 "2007-12-21T21:48:49Z")
[QUOTE=Freudian Slit] we’re so close to getting **MHaye** off [/QUOTE] Is that true, \*\*MHaye{/b]? Should I post this? Should I post this? I’m posting this… 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Hockey\_Monkey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/a183cd/32.png) [@Hockey\_Monkey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hockey_Monkey)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2007, 9:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-solve-it-mafia-game/429636/617 "2007-12-21T21:57:50Z")
Hey now, it’s not Happy Hour yet! (or is it?) ---
**Author:** ![Boozahol\_Squid\_P.I](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/d9b06d/32.png) [@Boozahol\_Squid\_P.I](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boozahol_Squid_P.I)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2007, 10:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-solve-it-mafia-game/429636/618 "2007-12-21T22:04:44Z")
[QUOTE=Hockey Monkey] Hey now, it’s not Happy Hour yet! (or is it?) [/QUOTE] Happy hour? I had a three martini lunch… I think I’m going to just hit the pretzel bowl for a bit. ---
**Author:** ![Freudian\_Slit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/5daacb/32.png) [@Freudian\_Slit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Freudian_Slit)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2007, 10:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-solve-it-mafia-game/429636/619 "2007-12-21T22:15:59Z")
[QUOTE=Kat] Is that true, \*\*MHaye{/b]? Should I post this? Should I post this? I’m posting this… 😃 [/QUOTE] Wow. I truly am living up to this new username. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![NAF1138](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naf1138/32/3245_2.png) [@NAF1138](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NAF1138)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2007, 10:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-solve-it-mafia-game/429636/620 "2007-12-21T22:28:12Z")
As the sun began to set on your peaceful little mountain commune a concensus was reached. You had spent most of the day looking at each others dossiers, debating the nature of the information shared amongst you and generally putting off the inevitable. But you can wait no more. It was time for someone to die. At first people discussed possibly killing faithfool, she hadn’t been with the company long. Or maybe Hal Briston or that drunken loudmouth zuma? No, it would seem that MHaye was going to be tossed off the cliff. It was for the best. Some people trusted him, but he got 10 votes…what could you do. “Time for a teambuilding activity!” someone shouted. “Everyone grab hold of MHaye and on the count of three lift him in the air! 1-2-3! Now on the count of 3 everyone walk him to the edge of the cliff and throw him to his death! 1-2-3.” MHaye, wide awake and screaming this whole time cursed you as he fell. But soon he was too far away to hear, and shortly after that, too far away to see. Which is good, because he probably made quite a mess. MHaye - Associate has been killed. 17 of you are now left. Night 2 will end 48 hours from the end of the previous Day. So 1:30 Pacific time on Sunday December 23rd. Go Team! [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-solve-it-mafia-game/429636.md?page=30) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-solve-it-mafia-game/429636.md?page=32)