# You-Solve-It Mafia Game **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [December 11, 2007, 6:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-solve-it-mafia-game/429636 "2007-12-11T18:21:39Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 34
**Author:** ![Hockey\_Monkey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/a183cd/32.png) [@Hockey\_Monkey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hockey_Monkey)\ **Post date:** [December 26, 2007, 8:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-solve-it-mafia-game/429636/661 "2007-12-26T20:12:17Z")
Hi all! Hope everyone had a fantastic holiday! My earlier suspicions of \*\*OAOW \*\* and \*\*brewha \*\* for having no unique dossier characteristics are still with me. Some of you guys think that the dossiers have no bearing on the game, and granted, we can play a straight vanilla on vanilla game totally ignoring the dossiers. I, for one, think the dossiers were given to us for a reason and that they are part of the game. I am choosing to work the dossier angle in the early Day 1 - Day 3 or so stages of the game. After that I will have a better feeling on each person to do better post analysis. My gut is telling me that the unique trait is, if not important, then at least relevant… My first vote of the Day is going to: **brewha** ---
**Author:** ![joyfool](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/df788c/32.png) [@joyfool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/joyfool)\ **Post date:** [December 26, 2007, 9:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-solve-it-mafia-game/429636/662 "2007-12-26T21:00:29Z")
[QUOTE=Diomedes] No, I’m a right bastard. It’s all part of my charm. But I don’t go around killing people at night, now do I? [/QUOTE] If you say so. And how do we know what you do at night? You could just as easily be scum as anyone else. That is, at least if I’m understanding the game at all. 🙂 > [@](#): > > That’s not much of a response to what I still feel is highly questionable. You screwed up, you’ll learn from it in the nextgame, but in this game, you sent out a flare saying “scum here”! Well then, let’s get out the pitchforks! I honestly don’t care if you think that’s not much of a response, nor does it any longer bother me that you think it’s sent out a collossal universal sign that identifies me as scum either. Opinions, no matter how misguided, and all that. Oh, and I’m pretty sure that my inaugural game will also be my finale. > [@](#): > > There’s no ire, here… but I can’t see how you sticking around possibly could hurt the Town, if you were Town. A new and concerned scum, however, might be afraid she’s going to give away {more) information that she shouldn’t. Well, I can’t understand how you can’t understand but then that puts us right back to where we were. I do believe that I’ve adequately explained myself to the point that others have judged differently than you, so I feel now that I will no longer contribute to this ludicrous hijack and leave you to your own devices. Enjoy. > [@](#): > > Oh, my God! Diomedes sucks! I have no idea whether you engage in that or not. However, I stand by my vote because I really do think you’re doing this on purpose. If so, then that speaks volumes all by itself. Therefore, if no one else sees it that way either, than I suppose I’ll amuse myself over here counting flowers on the wall. > [@](#): > > If I was trying to draw attention away from myself, I’d do so by laying low. Is this the part where I point out that scum would probably say this exact thing? No, I think I’ll pass for I have no need to play Captain Obvious. > [@](#): > > Weak effort, and bad form. \< more shrugging \> If you say so, but then again I won’t be too concerned with that particular sentiment coming from your direction. _You_ are the one who has latched on to me and I’ve (unfortunately) wasted all my time here defending against various allegations. You want to continue to spear head that up? Be my guest. Enjoy. Again, I feel you’re hiding something, no matter what it is. If that means my reasoning is “weak” or my presentation “bad form” then so be it. As I’m continually learning from you, it’s not about how you play but rather how you say you do. > [@](#): > > Oh, by the way, I’m a man. Good for you. Cheers. ---
**Author:** ![NAF1138](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naf1138/32/3245_2.png) [@NAF1138](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NAF1138)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2007, 3:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-solve-it-mafia-game/429636/663 "2007-12-27T03:20:18Z")
Now that everyone is back from their day off, you are (predictably by now) hit with another vision. This one from the recently departed Cookies: > [@DeadCookies](#): > > As I strode through the pre-dawn gloom, a thin hint of light was building in the east. I couldn’t sleep. It wasn’t fear so much as restlessness. I was impatient for something, yet I was oddly at piece. Yesterday had turned into a watershed moment for me. > > During one of the group exercises I had exposed myself in full for the first time in my life. I’d taken a leap of faith and laid everything out on the table, and I was not alone in doing so. The gritty honesty expressed by so many was humbling while undeniably inspiring at the same time. It restored my lost faith in humanity. > > I gazed down at the thick fog that filled the lower valleys, smiling at the little girl in me who had once looked upon similar scenes and imagined the mountain tops as islands in the Sea of Fog, where magical otters swim and frolic in the mists. > > I knew that I had passed through a threshold, and that my life would never be the same. A breeze swirled the mists around me and brought a chill to the back of my neck. A strangely familair voice tickled my ears as I turned blindly in the dull and muted silence that now fell around me. > > “You remind me a lot of this chick I met at the mall the other day.”, the voice said, first from my left, and then from my right, as I turned in circles searching for the source of the words. “She turned out to be something of a free spirit. Maybe if you had been a bit more adventurous, I wouldn’t have to free your spirit…” > > I saw sudden burst of motion a few feet in front of me, and the wind was knocked out of my lungs as something hard and heavy hit my chest, sending my back crashing through the a railing and over the ledge that I didn’t even realize I was near. > > But I was not afraid. As the wind howled through my ears and tugged at my clothes and hair, I marveled at how calm I was. The voice was right. If only I could go back and start my life again, knowing them what I know now, in this perfect day of honesty. One of the last conscious thoughts I had was a realization. The voice…it had been the same voice I had heard while gripped in the surreal experience of the after-death vision of my former cow-orker, Santo. The voice that had bitched about 7/11. My ultimate thought was left unfinished as I was swallowed by the quiet blackness. > > Will I fall forever? ---
**Author:** ![ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e9bcb4/32.png) [@ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2007, 3:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-solve-it-mafia-game/429636/664 "2007-12-27T03:32:29Z")
_A ghostly voice apologizes for not passing that through a proof-read or three…_ ---
**Author:** ![storyteller0910](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecae2f/32.png) [@storyteller0910](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/storyteller0910)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2007, 12:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-solve-it-mafia-game/429636/665 "2007-12-27T12:56:43Z")
Y’all, I’m really sorry for my nonexistent participation over the last seven days or so. I’m in Disney World right now, on family vacation until Sunday. I’ve barely had time to glance through this thread - my daughter is disinterested in napping or resting when there’s so many castles and princesses about - so I can’t contribute usefully until I return. Huge apologies, but I will resume excessive blather immediately upon my rejoining of civilization. ---
**Author:** ![sachertorte](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sachertorte/32/3727_2.png) [@sachertorte](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sachertorte)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2007, 3:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-solve-it-mafia-game/429636/666 "2007-12-27T15:40:23Z")
[QUOTE=zuma] I organized a random approach to revealing dossiers because it was part of my sinister plan [/QUOTE] snipped for bs. Oh yay, sarcasm. You know, you could just explain yourself and not be a dick about it. Everyone else answers questions directed at them politely and with the understanding that this kind of questioning is part of the game. I’m not too pleased with your pat answers either. I voted for zuma Yesterday, and I will likely vote for zuma again Today. I’ll hold off to make sure my vote is for reason and not because I’m annoyed. ---
**Author:** ![sachertorte](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sachertorte/32/3727_2.png) [@sachertorte](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sachertorte)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2007, 4:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-solve-it-mafia-game/429636/667 "2007-12-27T16:11:53Z")
Can anyone decipher which attribute **Cookies** is trying to convey to us? I’m stumped. Part of me wants to ignore it entirely since I’m of the position that the dossiers are a red herring, but the other part of me is ‘goal-oriented’ and needs to figure out what Cookies is trying to tell us. Initial thoughts: 1. The killer lied and the characteristic given to Cookies doesn’t match anything revealed publicly. (e.g. the item is something like “I have swam with otters.”) 2. Cookies coded the message harder than Santo Rugger for some reason. - Cookies uses the word “piece” instead of “peace” - “Sea of Fog” is capitalized for some reason. - “free spirit” = exorcism? If we conclude (1), I might have to apologize to **Hockey Monkey**. ---
**Author:** ![Hockey\_Monkey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/a183cd/32.png) [@Hockey\_Monkey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hockey_Monkey)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2007, 4:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-solve-it-mafia-game/429636/668 "2007-12-27T16:30:38Z")
\*\*I once had sex in front of the Washington Monument \*\* = “You remind me a lot of this chick I met at the mall the other day.”, the voice said, first from my left, and then from my right, as I turned in circles searching for the source of the words. "She turned out to be something of a free spirit. OAOW is the only person with both traits that have been revealed to be a killers. Unvote brewha I want to see it others concur about the meaning of Cookies’ revelation before placing my vote. ---
**Author:** ![NAF1138](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naf1138/32/3245_2.png) [@NAF1138](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NAF1138)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2007, 4:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-solve-it-mafia-game/429636/669 "2007-12-27T16:41:01Z")
I was going to post a vote count…but there really aren’t that many votes. Oh what the heck, here is a vote count anyway. 2 - faithfool (Dio, Pleo) 1 - brewha (ShadowFacts) 1 - Diomedes (Faithfool) It takes 9 votes to make sure a lynch occurs. 10 votes will end the Day instantly. You have until New Years Eve to reach some form of consensus. Go Team! P.S. Sorry about the missing vote from faithfool Day 1, it was on my spreadsheet so I am not sure why it didn’t end up in the posted count. ---
**Author:** ![Hawkeyeop](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/958977/32.png) [@Hawkeyeop](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hawkeyeop)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2007, 4:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-solve-it-mafia-game/429636/670 "2007-12-27T16:54:49Z")
[QUOTE=Hockey Monkey] \*\*I once had sex in front of the Washington Monument \*\* = “You remind me a lot of this chick I met at the mall the other day.”, the voice said, first from my left, and then from my right, as I turned in circles searching for the source of the words. "She turned out to be something of a free spirit. OAOW is the only person with both traits that have been revealed to be a killers. Unvote brewha I want to see it others concur about the meaning of Cookies’ revelation before placing my vote. [/QUOTE] I cannot find any other revealed trait that is remotely plausable except for the one you listed. So unless anyone else has any ideas, it is either that trait or a trait that nobody chose to reveal. I’ll take a look at the threads used to see if any statement there seems more likely. If not, I would strongly advocate a lynching of OAOW, more for the fact that it is OAOW public trait that was revealed then anything else. We know that OAOW isn’t lying about that trait. In fact, in most circumstances, I’d be in favor of lynching anyones who’s public trait is revealed. ---
**Author:** ![sachertorte](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sachertorte/32/3727_2.png) [@sachertorte](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sachertorte)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2007, 5:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-solve-it-mafia-game/429636/671 "2007-12-27T17:02:38Z")
Huh? Can someone explain this? ---
**Author:** ![Hal\_Briston](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/a9a28c/32.png) [@Hal\_Briston](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hal_Briston)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2007, 5:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-solve-it-mafia-game/429636/672 "2007-12-27T17:36:58Z")
[QUOTE=sachertorte] Huh? Can someone explain this? [/QUOTE] The area surrounding the Washington Monument is known as “The Mall”. If we take that line to be the clue **Cookies** dropped (and I certainly do) then that would leave **OAOW** as the only person to have both traits revealed in the two death scenes. That would mean **One And Only Wanderers** is the killer, and by definition, scum. Vote **One And Only Wanderers** ---
**Author:** ![Hockey\_Monkey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/a183cd/32.png) [@Hockey\_Monkey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hockey_Monkey)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2007, 5:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-solve-it-mafia-game/429636/673 "2007-12-27T17:39:24Z")
[QUOTE=sachertorte] Huh? Can someone explain this? [/QUOTE] What do you need explained? The Washington Monument is on the Washington Mall. Killer met a chick at the mall that was a free spirit, or as I interpret, would have sex in a public place. I didn’t find any other statements that would remotely match. I imagine that the reveal of traits in the death scenes are going to be a bit more cryptic than blatant, and will require a bit of thought to solve. ---
**Author:** ![Hawkeyeop](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/958977/32.png) [@Hawkeyeop](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hawkeyeop)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2007, 5:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-solve-it-mafia-game/429636/674 "2007-12-27T17:42:20Z")
Vote **One And Only Wanderers** ---
**Author:** ![sachertorte](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sachertorte/32/3727_2.png) [@sachertorte](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sachertorte)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2007, 5:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-solve-it-mafia-game/429636/675 "2007-12-27T17:46:55Z")
Okay. I think I get where you are going. I had taken “mall” to be “shopping center”: mall = washington monument? free spirit = sex? I guess that makes sense, but it is much more indirect than what Santo Rugger gave us. Santo Rugger’s death post was very clear (given the dossiers). Why would Cookies be so much less so? The second dossier item (if correct) is quite damning though. The probability of a non-OAOW killer sharing two items with OAOW and having those two items show up in the death posts is vanishingly small. I can support a OAOW lynch. But I’d feel better if we understood why Cookies’s death post is so very different from Santo Rugger’s. Do the rest of you feel the post is obvious? Am I simply slow today? On preview: So I didn’t get it. You don’t have to be rude about it. ---
**Author:** ![sachertorte](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sachertorte/32/3727_2.png) [@sachertorte](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sachertorte)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2007, 5:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-solve-it-mafia-game/429636/676 "2007-12-27T17:51:39Z")
Sorry. I was overly short in my previous post. ---
**Author:** ![sachertorte](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sachertorte/32/3727_2.png) [@sachertorte](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sachertorte)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2007, 5:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-solve-it-mafia-game/429636/677 "2007-12-27T17:55:14Z")
On a re-read I was reading ‘it’s so obvious how could be so stupid as to not see what is clearly there,’ that probably wasn’t intoned. ---
**Author:** ![Hawkeyeop](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/958977/32.png) [@Hawkeyeop](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hawkeyeop)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2007, 6:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-solve-it-mafia-game/429636/678 "2007-12-27T18:04:07Z")
[QUOTE=sachertorte] Okay. I think I get where you are going. I had taken “mall” to be “shopping center”: mall = washington monument? free spirit = sex? I guess that makes sense, but it is much more indirect than what Santo Rugger gave us. Santo Rugger’s death post was very clear (given the dossiers). Why would Cookies be so much less so? The second dossier item (if correct) is quite damning though. The probability of a non-OAOW killer sharing two items with OAOW and having those two items show up in the death posts is vanishingly small. I can support a OAOW lynch. But I’d feel better if we understood why Cookies’s death post is so very different from Santo Rugger’s. Do the rest of you feel the post is obvious? Am I simply slow today? On preview: So I didn’t get it. You don’t have to be rude about it. [/QUOTE] Cookies and Santo both got information from the moderator which I assume they both used word for word. I think the fact that Cookies was more vague was nothing more then the moderators finding a nice indirect clue for this dossier item. I looked through the complete list of dossier items and the two truths and a lie thread (I don’t think the other thread used would fit this item) and found nothing else that fit even a little bit. So while the evidence isn’t 100% that this clue fits, I do not see any alternative possibilities. ---
**Author:** ![Hockey\_Monkey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/a183cd/32.png) [@Hockey\_Monkey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hockey_Monkey)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2007, 6:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-solve-it-mafia-game/429636/679 "2007-12-27T18:03:40Z")
[QUOTE=sachertorte] On a re-read I was reading ‘it’s so obvious how could be so stupid as to not see what is clearly there,’ that probably wasn’t intoned. [/QUOTE] No no, that isn’t what I meant at all. I didn’t know if you needed my post explained or **Hawkeyeop’s**. Sorry to appear snarky. Not my intent. I too first thought it was a shopping mall, but then when I was reading through the dossier’s a lightbulb went on. ---
**Author:** ![Hawkeyeop](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/958977/32.png) [@Hawkeyeop](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hawkeyeop)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2007, 6:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-solve-it-mafia-game/429636/680 "2007-12-27T18:04:18Z")
Cookies and Santo both got information from the moderator which I assume they both used word for word. I think the fact that Cookies was more vague was nothing more then the moderators finding a nice indirect clue for this dossier item. I looked through the complete list of dossier items and the two truths and a lie thread (I don’t think the other thread used would fit this item) and found nothing else that fit even a little bit. So while the evidence isn’t 100% that this clue fits, I do not see any alternative possibilities. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-solve-it-mafia-game/429636.md?page=33) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-solve-it-mafia-game/429636.md?page=35)