# You-Solve-It Mafia Game **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [December 11, 2007, 6:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-solve-it-mafia-game/429636 "2007-12-11T18:21:39Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 35
**Author:** ![Hawkeyeop](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/958977/32.png) [@Hawkeyeop](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hawkeyeop)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2007, 6:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-solve-it-mafia-game/429636/681 "2007-12-27T18:05:18Z")
Sorry bout the double post (and now triple post…) ---
**Author:** ![HazelNutCoffee](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/ac91a4/32.png) [@HazelNutCoffee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HazelNutCoffee)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2007, 6:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-solve-it-mafia-game/429636/682 "2007-12-27T18:08:04Z")
Will be back after caffeine and breakfast. Sorry for lack of participation - I’ve been out and about for most of the past three days. ---
**Author:** ![sachertorte](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sachertorte/32/3727_2.png) [@sachertorte](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sachertorte)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2007, 6:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-solve-it-mafia-game/429636/683 "2007-12-27T18:24:45Z")
**Hockey Monkey** , it was my mistake. I like **Hawkeyeop’s** explanation of why **Cookies** might have created a less direct death post than for **Santo Rugger**. I can see **mtgman** and **NAF** deciding to make them more obscure, or at least less direct. Also also, I like the idea of looking through the source threads to see if anything else there fits the death post. That I think is the best form of verification we can expect for ruling out the item being some other unknown characteristic. I’m going to vote for OAOW, but first I’d like to re-iterate that while I’m generally against dossier-based lynches, I’m much more trusting of public dossier information than private dossier information. Since the death post matches OAOW’s public item, I’m willing to **vote One and Only Wanderers**. ---
**Author:** ![One\_And\_Only\_Wanderers](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/838e76/32.png) [@One\_And\_Only\_Wanderers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/One_And_Only_Wanderers)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2007, 7:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-solve-it-mafia-game/429636/684 "2007-12-27T19:15:29Z")
I come back from Christmas for this? Not guilty. ---
**Author:** ![joyfool](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/df788c/32.png) [@joyfool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/joyfool)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2007, 7:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-solve-it-mafia-game/429636/685 "2007-12-27T19:19:15Z")
[QUOTE=One And Only Wanderers] I come back from Christmas for this? Not guilty. [/QUOTE] I feel your pain. ☹ A belated Merry Christmas to you. ---
**Author:** ![ShadowFacts](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/shadowfacts/32/2934_2.png) [@ShadowFacts](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ShadowFacts)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2007, 9:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-solve-it-mafia-game/429636/686 "2007-12-27T21:21:02Z")
If nothing else, I think this will be a good test case. According to the dossier info that has been posted, the killer could not be anyone but **OAOW**. If we lynch him and he’s scum, that’s a point in favor of relying on the dossiers. If he’s innocent, then we know people lied about their dossiers and that’s a point in favor of not relying on them. I’m less inclined to rely on them in general, because I do think that scum lied and they will cause innocent townies to be lynched with no possible defense. I mean, think about it: at this point, what can \*\*OAOW \*\*say to convince you not to vote for him? Nothing, because he didn’t say or do anything to garner votes. He just has traits in his dossier, so there’s nothing to defend. All that said, this is a good test and will give us some useful information on which to base future actions. So: **unvote brewha** **vote OAOW** (Another reason I don’t like this is that’s it’s not really fun, which is why I play these games. What are we going to do for the next 4 days? _yawn_ But I suppose that is meta-gaming, so I won’t let it affect my actions here) ---
**Author:** ![Freudian\_Slit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/5daacb/32.png) [@Freudian\_Slit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Freudian_Slit)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2007, 9:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-solve-it-mafia-game/429636/687 "2007-12-27T21:22:58Z")
I guess we have to vote for **OAOW** , huh? I agree with **Shadow**. I liked the psychological aspects, the thrill of the chase. This game feels like it’s more like taking the LSAT than about psyching each other out. ---
**Author:** ![Pleonast](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pleonast/32/1183_2.png) [@Pleonast](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pleonast)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2007, 10:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-solve-it-mafia-game/429636/688 "2007-12-27T22:50:09Z")
I’ve been following along today, but my work situation has gone from underutilized to understaffed. No analysis from me then. That said, the evidence against OAOW is the best lead we have. Either he’s the killer or he’s a Townie who’s unlucky enough to have two overlaps with the lying killer. I’ll take those odds. **unvote faithfool** **vote One And Only Wanderers** ---
**Author:** ![Freudian\_Slit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/5daacb/32.png) [@Freudian\_Slit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Freudian_Slit)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2007, 11:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-solve-it-mafia-game/429636/689 "2007-12-27T23:47:12Z")
Whoops. I forgot to actually vote in my last post. NETA: \*\* ---
**Author:** ![Freudian\_Slit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/5daacb/32.png) [@Freudian\_Slit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Freudian_Slit)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2007, 11:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-solve-it-mafia-game/429636/690 "2007-12-27T23:48:38Z")
And I forgot to post in THAT post, too. NETA: **Vote OAOW** ---
**Author:** ![storyteller0910](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecae2f/32.png) [@storyteller0910](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/storyteller0910)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2007, 1:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-solve-it-mafia-game/429636/691 "2007-12-28T01:21:10Z")
[QUOTE=ShadowFacts] If nothing else, I think this will be a good test case. According to the dossier info that has been posted, the killer could not be anyone but **OAOW**. If we lynch him and he’s scum, that’s a point in favor of relying on the dossiers. If he’s innocent, then we know people lied about their dossiers and that’s a point in favor of not relying on them. [/QUOTE] …well, or the scum selected one murderer for **Santo** and a different murderer for **CooXies** (sorry, everyone, but I’m missing a letter on my hotel computer), and each one had a trait overlapping with **OaoW**. He may well be scum, but I don’t see any advantage to lynching him early. A post history and analysis would be useful, but I don’t have the ability to do one until I get home from vacation. ---
**Author:** ![Hockey\_Monkey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/a183cd/32.png) [@Hockey\_Monkey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hockey_Monkey)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2007, 1:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-solve-it-mafia-game/429636/692 "2007-12-28T01:44:12Z")
**Storyteller** , by “early” do you mean early toDay before the allotted time, or as in this early in the game, let’s not lynch him toDay? :dubious: [Updated spreadsheet](http://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=pGFzeVMas_HcWdROWFdQNLA&gid=1) The unique traits are in blue, and the killer traits are italicized. Of what is revealed on the dossiers, \*\*Kat \*\* and \*\*I \*\* are the only people who share the same traits that have been given in the death scenes. ---
**Author:** ![Kat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/b19c9b/32.png) [@Kat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kat)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2007, 1:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-solve-it-mafia-game/429636/693 "2007-12-28T01:54:11Z")
[QUOTE=storyteller0910] …well, or the scum selected one murderer for **Santo** and a different murderer for **CooXies** (sorry, everyone, but I’m missing a letter on my hotel computer), and each one had a trait overlapping with **OaoW**. [/quote] Well, except that **Cookies** ’ death scene indicated it was the same voice as from **Santo** ’s vision. Vote OAOW ---
**Author:** ![Hockey\_Monkey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/a183cd/32.png) [@Hockey\_Monkey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hockey_Monkey)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2007, 2:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-solve-it-mafia-game/429636/694 "2007-12-28T02:01:08Z")
[QUOTE=Kat] Well, except that **Cookies** ’ death scene indicated it was the same voice as from **Santo** ’s vision. Vote OAOW [/QUOTE] Yep, good catch! I totally spaced about that part. Vote OAOW. ---
**Author:** ![NAF1138](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naf1138/32/3245_2.png) [@NAF1138](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NAF1138)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2007, 2:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-solve-it-mafia-game/429636/695 "2007-12-28T02:11:18Z")
8 - OneAndOnlyWanderers - (Hal Briston, Hawkeyop, sach, shadowfacts, Pleo, Freudian Slit, Kat, HockeyMonkey) 1 - Diomedes - (Faithfool) 1 - Faithfool - (Dio) Only one more vote for OAOW and the 12 hour countdown will start. 2 more to end the Day instantly. ---
**Author:** ![Hawkeyeop](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/958977/32.png) [@Hawkeyeop](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hawkeyeop)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2007, 3:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-solve-it-mafia-game/429636/696 "2007-12-28T03:01:56Z")
[QUOTE=storyteller0910] …well, or the scum selected one murderer for **Santo** and a different murderer for **CooXies** (sorry, everyone, but I’m missing a letter on my hotel computer), and each one had a trait overlapping with **OaoW**. He may well be scum, but I don’t see any advantage to lynching him early. A post history and analysis would be useful, but I don’t have the ability to do one until I get home from vacation. [/QUOTE] How bout the fact that if we don’t kill OAOW and he is scum then they can keep using for night kills. Thus we won’t get any new dossier information. If they have to use someone else, then we will get info on a new person. Maybe even get lucky and get a public trait. ---
**Author:** ![joyfool](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/df788c/32.png) [@joyfool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/joyfool)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2007, 3:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-solve-it-mafia-game/429636/697 "2007-12-28T03:15:25Z")
I’m convinced by the evidence presented. So for now, I’ll put my disquiet about **Dio** on hold and add my suspicion to **OaOW**. Sorry you. ☹ Therefore… unvote Dio vote OaOW And to our illustrious moderators; it’s no big thing that y’all missed my earlier vote. I’m sure it’s just one of those things between 50 gazillion pages in a thread and an ever-growing spreadsheet. ---
**Author:** ![Mtgman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/b5a626/32.png) [@Mtgman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mtgman)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2007, 3:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-solve-it-mafia-game/429636/698 "2007-12-28T03:25:57Z")
And that makes nine on **One And Only Wanderers**. Countdown begins. 9:15 AM CST tomorrow he’ll be executed if no one unvotes or puts an additional vote on him between now and then. Enjoy, Steven ---
**Author:** ![Rysto](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/ecccb3/32.png) [@Rysto](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rysto)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2007, 3:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-solve-it-mafia-game/429636/699 "2007-12-28T03:56:56Z")
Is there any reason to put **OAOW** on the clock so quickly? I don’t like speed lynches. ---
**Author:** ![HazelNutCoffee](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/ac91a4/32.png) [@HazelNutCoffee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HazelNutCoffee)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2007, 4:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-solve-it-mafia-game/429636/700 "2007-12-28T04:09:46Z")
[QUOTE=Kat] Well, except that **Cookies** ’ death scene indicated it was the same voice as from **Santo** ’s vision. [/QUOTE] Hm. Interesting. I did not catch that upon first reading. The evidence is pretty convincing, but I’m going to withhold my vote for the moment, since any extra votes will hasten his already hastened lynch, if I’ve understood the rules correctly. I feel like a lot of players, myself included, have not been able to check in very often this week, what with the holidays and all, and I’d like to have as much time as possible until the actual lynch, in case **OAOW** presents a defense or someone else has some other insight. (Not me, though, sorry; I have a suddenly scheduled interview tomorrow to prep for and a headache to boot.) I know abstaining from a vote seems sketchy at best, but I agree with **Rysto** about not liking speed lynches, so … bite me. 😉 [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-solve-it-mafia-game/429636.md?page=34) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-solve-it-mafia-game/429636.md?page=36)