# You-Solve-It Mafia Game **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [December 11, 2007, 6:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-solve-it-mafia-game/429636 "2007-12-11T18:21:39Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 47
**Author:** ![Freudian\_Slit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/5daacb/32.png) [@Freudian\_Slit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Freudian_Slit)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2008, 5:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-solve-it-mafia-game/429636/921 "2008-01-10T05:53:08Z")
…and comitting murders from beyond the grave! Oh. That’s…NOT the big game secret? Hmmm. ---
**Author:** ![Hal\_Briston](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/a9a28c/32.png) [@Hal\_Briston](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hal_Briston)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2008, 12:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-solve-it-mafia-game/429636/922 "2008-01-10T12:32:00Z")
[QUOTE=Diomedes] I once drove a VW Bug through the front door of a 7/11: OAOW Hockey Monkey Just them two. And OAOW is dead. [/QUOTE] I’m fully prepared to send **HM** to the great rink in the sky today, but what the hell was that bit about loading a sig file? ---
**Author:** ![Pleonast](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pleonast/32/1183_2.png) [@Pleonast](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pleonast)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2008, 3:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-solve-it-mafia-game/429636/923 "2008-01-10T15:07:02Z")
While I digest the info from **Kat** , I’ll respond to **brewha** [QUOTE=brewha] Personally, I think it’d be a better strategy to make a case against who you think is scum and try to get others to follow you, then to just follow someone for the sake of a lynch. [/quote] Absolutely. Unfortunately, there was an hour or so left when I needed to make the choice between you or no lynch. We need to avoid situations like that in the future. > [@](#): > > I’m willing to bet that at least one person that was crusading against me yesterday is scum. Following their lead is a good way to lose this game. You could be right. The problem is you could be Scum, nicely explaining why you failed to get the required number of votes. I don’t count that against you (since it’s equally likely those leading the vote against you are Scum). I do hold it against those who chose _not_ to vote for you. They need to explain themselves. We’ve heard from **story** (did not see the deadline), **Hazel** (forgot about the game?!), and **Dio** (Day ended before he could respond). I want to hear from **faith** and **zuma** about _why they chose a no-lynch over lynching **brewha** _. ---
**Author:** ![zuma](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/e9c0ed/32.png) [@zuma](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/zuma)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2008, 4:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-solve-it-mafia-game/429636/924 "2008-01-10T16:42:34Z")
your aggressive italics scare me pleo. i voted for faithfool. i wasnt around at the end of the day to change my vote. if i were id probably let brewha live. ---
**Author:** ![zuma](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/e9c0ed/32.png) [@zuma](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/zuma)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2008, 4:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-solve-it-mafia-game/429636/925 "2008-01-10T16:50:58Z")
i am pretty ok with the no lynch at this time when the alternative was lynching brewha, if you want a clear answer. i dont think he is scum. ---
**Author:** ![Pleonast](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pleonast/32/1183_2.png) [@Pleonast](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pleonast)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2008, 5:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-solve-it-mafia-game/429636/926 "2008-01-10T17:56:58Z")
[QUOTE=zuma] your aggressive italics scare me pleo. i voted for faithfool. i wasnt around at the end of the day to change my vote. if i were id probably let brewha live. i am pretty ok with the no lynch at this time when the alternative was lynching brewha, if you want a clear answer. i dont think he is scum. [/QUOTE] Thank you for explaining your reasoning. Everyone needs to account for their votes. I’m comfortable calling people on it. ---
**Author:** ![Boozahol\_Squid\_P.I](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/d9b06d/32.png) [@Boozahol\_Squid\_P.I](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boozahol_Squid_P.I)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2008, 6:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-solve-it-mafia-game/429636/927 "2008-01-10T18:31:15Z")
[QUOTE=Hal Briston] I’m fully prepared to send **HM** to the great rink in the sky today, but what the hell was that bit about loading a sig file? [/QUOTE] No clue. I’m going to wait to see what Hockey has to say for herself… once again, I feel a little sketchy for using the dossiers as the sole basis to root out scum. Worked last time, though, didn’t it? ---
**Author:** ![Hal\_Briston](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/a9a28c/32.png) [@Hal\_Briston](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hal_Briston)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2008, 6:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-solve-it-mafia-game/429636/928 "2008-01-10T18:45:35Z")
Sure did…that’s why I’m comfortable sticking with what works until we’re proven otherwise. I’d like to know what she has to say as well, but I don’t know how much of a defense can be brought on this one – she’s the only living player with that trait. Yes, someone could have been lying, but we’re never going to know that any scum lied about their traits until we see evidence to that end. ---
**Author:** ![Hockey\_Monkey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/a183cd/32.png) [@Hockey\_Monkey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hockey_Monkey)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2008, 7:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-solve-it-mafia-game/429636/929 "2008-01-10T19:22:09Z")
I may be the only living player that disclosed that trait, but someone else has it. Someone who also likes grilled cow udders. Which is not one of my traits. \*\*Sachertorte \*\* is the only living player to have disclosed that one. \*\*NAF \*\* explained that the color has nothing to do with anything. I did not kill **Kat**. As far as the dossiers go, I thought they would be helpful to us in the very beginning. And they were. My thoughts are that the people who have 3 unique traits are Associates (me, **storyteller** , and **ShadowFacts** ). It would have been much harder to lie about the dossier and still have 3 traits that no other person shared. I still feel that \*\*brewha’s \*\* lack of a unique trait implicates him as a lying scum. \*\*OAOW \*\* didn’t have any unique traits either. I’m voting **brewha**. I will change it if needed to insure a lynch as long as it isn’t me. ---
**Author:** ![Hockey\_Monkey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/a183cd/32.png) [@Hockey\_Monkey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hockey_Monkey)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2008, 7:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-solve-it-mafia-game/429636/930 "2008-01-10T19:28:07Z")
Reading this again: > [@](#): > > “I’ve finally found something I enjoy more than Fahrvergnügen. Murder.” is what the voice said. And I can’t swear to it, but I could almost hear the pause that followed, as if the person were loading a signature file, and then the last thing I heard was a cheery “Thanks!”, right before I felt the sharp pain in my back. As I blacked out, I saw the tip of the gorram blade that would soon kill me protruding out of my chest. The “Thanks!” could be the clue. - _I can say ‘hello’ and ‘thank you’ in nine languages_. That one belongs to **brewha** , **hazelnutcoffee** , and **OAOW**. ---
**Author:** ![joyfool](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/df788c/32.png) [@joyfool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/joyfool)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2008, 7:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-solve-it-mafia-game/429636/931 "2008-01-10T19:35:50Z")
[QUOTE=Pleonast] …I do hold it against those who chose _not_ to vote for you. They need to explain themselves. We’ve heard from **story** (did not see the deadline), **Hazel** (forgot about the game?!), and **Dio** (Day ended before he could respond). I want to hear from **faith** and **zuma** about _why they chose a no-lynch over lynching **brewha** _. [/QUOTE] I chose not to vote **brewha** because of what I’ve already said… I believe **Dio** to be scum and put my vote there. I understand that’s not a popular opinion (or considered even a less valuable one than some of the others), but there it is. I promise I’ll go back over the evidence recently brought up again, sometime today, and re-formulate my choice if possible. ---
**Author:** ![Boozahol\_Squid\_P.I](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/d9b06d/32.png) [@Boozahol\_Squid\_P.I](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boozahol_Squid_P.I)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2008, 7:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-solve-it-mafia-game/429636/932 "2008-01-10T19:47:25Z")
[QUOTE=faithfool] I chose not to vote **brewha** because of what I’ve already said… I believe **Dio** to be scum and put my vote there. I understand that’s not a popular opinion (or considered even a less valuable one than some of the others), but there it is. I promise I’ll go back over the evidence recently brought up again, sometime today, and re-formulate my choice if possible. [/QUOTE] Other than the fact that I think that you’re scum, is there any reason you think I’m scum? ---
**Author:** ![joyfool](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/df788c/32.png) [@joyfool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/joyfool)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2008, 8:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-solve-it-mafia-game/429636/933 "2008-01-10T20:06:20Z")
[QUOTE=Diomedes] Other than the fact that I think that you’re scum, is there any reason you think I’m scum? [/QUOTE] Okay, if we’re going to go from that perspective… other than the mistakes I made before we even started to play, why do you think I’m scum? Is it something that I’ve been proven to have lied about along the way? A discrepancy in my dossier? Not trying to follow the rules as the group has encouraged us to? Finally, I haven’t gone after anyone, vigorously or otherwise. However, I do think it’s strange when someone does with little or no reason to either. And considering what we have to go on, pushing in one direction adamantly in light of that comes across as misdirection. ---
**Author:** ![sachertorte](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sachertorte/32/3727_2.png) [@sachertorte](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sachertorte)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2008, 8:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-solve-it-mafia-game/429636/934 "2008-01-10T20:10:59Z")
I was wondering how people would react to **Hal** and **Diomedes**'s stance on **Hockey Monkey**. Now that Hockey Monkey has had her say, I’ll state that I’m suspicious of Diomedes and to a lesser extent Hal for the odd stance on Hockey Monkey. (Lesser to Hal because I believe his role claim). It strikes me as opportunistic. Lynching Hockey Monkey for the VWBug attribute doesn’t make sense at all: 1. It is far more likely that Kat’s killer is lying scum who has the VWBug trait and the cow udders trait, but lied about his/her dossier. (The lying is obvious because no one holds both the VWBug trait and the cow udders trait, so why is it such a stretch to believe that scum would lie about both?) 2. Why single out Hockey Monkey today when my being the only living player with the cow udders trait passed without much comment Yesterday? 3. **NAF** was playful with Hockey Monkey in his posting. While he says (after the fact BTW) that he means nothing when he posted, NAF knows Hockey Monkey’s alignment and whether or not she killed Kat. If Hockey Monkey really did kill Kat, then NAF wouldn’t go anywhere near mentioning Hockey Monkey like that. He simply wouldn’t do it. But he did mention Hockey Monkey and I think he did so without thinking, it didn’t occur to him until too late that he allowed himself to be that playful because Hockey Monkey didn’t kill Kat. (I feel like I’m babbling, sorry.) I know that meta-game gets thrown around often, but NAF is a person just like the rest of us, and analyzing his behavior is no different than analyzing a player’s. And we KNOW that NAF has perfect knowledge so analyzing him is even better. 4. I stated on Day One that using private data for lynches is a bad idea since scum could very easily lie. If anything, I’m less inclined to lynch Hockey Monkey today. Also, the dossier-based lynch of **OAOW** worked because the revealed traits matched his private trait and his public trait. Comparing OAOW’s situation to Hockey Monkey’s (or mine) is off-the-mark and opportunistic. On Day Two we knew the killer - drove a VWBug into a 7-11 - had sex at the Washington Monument Mall These traits matched OAOW, and most importantly the Mall trait was OAOW’s public trait. In order for OAOW to be Town, he would 1. have to have a dossier with two traits matching the killer (this doesn’t happen often amongst our population) and, 2. have those two matching traits be the ones randomly pulled (also small chance) The chances of OAOW being town required too many coincidences to have occurred, thus we lynched OAOW on Day Two. (At least that was my reasoning for voting for him). Now look at Hockey Monkey and me ( **sachertorte** ) We each have a private trait that matches one of the two traits revealed by the second killer. Unlike OAOW’s case, this situation is easily explained by the existence of a killer who shares one trait with each of us and the trait just happened to be the one pulled up. In this case one is significantly different than two, and very different than one private and one public. Did that make sense, or am I babbling again? Also, all FOUR traits point to OAOW. That can’t be simple coincidence. (well the first two are easily explained, but the most recent two look less like chance). ---
**Author:** ![storyteller0910](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecae2f/32.png) [@storyteller0910](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/storyteller0910)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2008, 8:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-solve-it-mafia-game/429636/935 "2008-01-10T20:13:39Z")
[QUOTE=Hockey Monkey] Reading this again: The “Thanks!” could be the clue. - _I can say ‘hello’ and ‘thank you’ in nine languages_. That one belongs to **brewha** , **hazelnutcoffee** , and **OAOW**. [/QUOTE] That is some _serious_ reaching. And it seems more likely that our last clue indicated that the killer in question had _not_ eaten grilled cow udders. But of course, I could be wrong about this, which is why overdependence on the dossiers will kill us. But it’s certainly a starting point. I have two goals in the next day or so: an outline of my case against **Diomedes** , as requested late yesterDay, and a post history / analysis of **Hockey Monkey**. I also think, by the way, that we should avoid spending too high a percentage of toDay discussing **brewha**. He might be scum, but if he is, he’s one of four. YesterDay was all about **brewha** ; if toDay is all about **brewha** again, we 'll waste our no-lynch. ---
**Author:** ![storyteller0910](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecae2f/32.png) [@storyteller0910](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/storyteller0910)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2008, 8:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-solve-it-mafia-game/429636/936 "2008-01-10T20:16:48Z")
**sach** , I agree with most of what you’ve posted, but I do have a question about this: Given that you yourself have stated that the scum may lie about their dossiers, and therefore we have no way of knowing what a scum dossier looks like… [QUOTE=sachertorte] 1. have to have a dossier with two traits matching the killer (this doesn’t happen often amongst our population) [/quote] How do you know the parenthetical to be true? ---
**Author:** ![Hockey\_Monkey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/a183cd/32.png) [@Hockey\_Monkey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hockey_Monkey)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2008, 8:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-solve-it-mafia-game/429636/937 "2008-01-10T20:17:59Z")
Really? Why is that serious reaching? We already knew the VW clue, and the cow udders. Is it really that much of a stretch for me to read back over all of the dossiers and see if anything striking pops up? Why would someone say “Thanks!” anyway, if it’s not pertinant? ---
**Author:** ![sachertorte](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sachertorte/32/3727_2.png) [@sachertorte](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sachertorte)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2008, 8:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-solve-it-mafia-game/429636/938 "2008-01-10T20:20:15Z")
[QUOTE=faithfool] I chose not to vote **brewha** because of what I’ve already said… I believe **Dio** to be scum and put my vote there. I understand that’s not a popular opinion (or considered even a less valuable one than some of the others), but there it is. I promise I’ll go back over the evidence recently brought up again, sometime today, and re-formulate my choice if possible. [/QUOTE] **faithfool** , I no longer suspect you due to the **Hal** secret role thing. But I would just like to point out that even if you are correct and **Diomedes** is scum. Diomedes is not the only scum in the game. There are 4 scum left. If you chose not to vote for **brewha** because you believe brewha is Town, that is valid; but thinking Diomedes is scum should not prevent you from considering other players as also being scum (whether brewha or someone else). ---
**Author:** ![Hawkeyeop](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/958977/32.png) [@Hawkeyeop](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hawkeyeop)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2008, 8:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-solve-it-mafia-game/429636/939 "2008-01-10T20:26:41Z")
[QUOTE=faithfool] Finally, I haven’t gone after anyone, vigorously or otherwise. [/QUOTE] Well why not? If you believe Diomedes is scum, then why aren’t you trying to convince others that he is. I am willing to be convinced, but I’ve yet to see you make an argument. If you aren’t going to try to convince others, I don’t see the point of the vote. ---
**Author:** ![Freudian\_Slit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/5daacb/32.png) [@Freudian\_Slit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Freudian_Slit)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2008, 8:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-solve-it-mafia-game/429636/940 "2008-01-10T20:32:01Z")
[QUOTE=sachertorte] **faithfool** , I no longer suspect you due to the **Hal** secret role thing. [/QUOTE] I’m not sure I agree with that. What if they’re both scum and covering for each other? This could easily be something they’re doing to manipulate us into thinking they’re both okay when they’re both in fact scum. Okay, that could be a reach, too. I’m just saying that I’m not 100% sold on anything anyone tells us without verification. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-solve-it-mafia-game/429636.md?page=46) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-solve-it-mafia-game/429636.md?page=48)