# You-Solve-It Mafia Game **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [December 11, 2007, 6:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-solve-it-mafia-game/429636 "2007-12-11T18:21:39Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 57
**Author:** ![storyteller0910](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecae2f/32.png) [@storyteller0910](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/storyteller0910)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2008, 7:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-solve-it-mafia-game/429636/1121 "2008-01-18T19:36:54Z")
Yeah, I kind of saw that one coming. As they say: Bah! Go town! ---
**Author:** ![Hal\_Briston](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/a9a28c/32.png) [@Hal\_Briston](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hal_Briston)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2008, 7:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-solve-it-mafia-game/429636/1122 "2008-01-18T19:37:12Z")
Damn… I always have a problem with **storyteller** – IMO, he plays this game probably better than anyone else. He’s very insightful, and often picks up on and points out small quirks and trends that I’d have never noticed otherwise. Therefore, I often find myself almost blindly following his lead. The problem is, in the back of my mind I’m always wondering if all this brilliant insight isn’t going to be followed up by an M2-style sledgehammer to the head. So then… **story** , damn sorry to see you go, but at least we have confirmation that your theories were coming from the right place. Time to go back and reread. ---
**Author:** ![Boozahol\_Squid\_P.I](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/d9b06d/32.png) [@Boozahol\_Squid\_P.I](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boozahol_Squid_P.I)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2008, 7:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-solve-it-mafia-game/429636/1123 "2008-01-18T19:41:42Z")
::scratches chin:: And here I was, thinking he might be a reasonable lynch target. But in the end, I agree with Hal: Boy’s too smart for this game. I eagerly await your final post. ---
**Author:** ![Pleonast](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pleonast/32/1183_2.png) [@Pleonast](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pleonast)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2008, 10:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-solve-it-mafia-game/429636/1124 "2008-01-18T22:37:11Z")
Looks like I need to re-evaluate everyone from scratch. That’ll have to wait until after the weekend, though. ---
**Author:** ![Hawkeyeop](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/958977/32.png) [@Hawkeyeop](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hawkeyeop)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2008, 1:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-solve-it-mafia-game/429636/1125 "2008-01-19T01:24:56Z")
So Hockey, how is your profile on Storyteller coming? 😉 My goal for the weekend is to study Freudian’s dossier, and to look at who did and didn’t vote for him. I believe OAOW dossier was a decoy and not of much use, but Freudian should give us a better idea how the scum are playing this game. ---
**Author:** ![Boozahol\_Squid\_P.I](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/d9b06d/32.png) [@Boozahol\_Squid\_P.I](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boozahol_Squid_P.I)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2008, 1:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-solve-it-mafia-game/429636/1126 "2008-01-19T01:35:26Z")
[QUOTE=Hawkeyeop] So Hockey, how is your profile on Storyteller coming? 😉 My goal for the weekend is to study Freudian’s dossier, and to look at who did and didn’t vote for him. I believe OAOW dossier was a decoy and not of much use, but Freudian should give us a better idea how the scum are playing this game. [/QUOTE] Freudian was a lady, FWIW. When you check Freudian’s dossier, make sure you check what order she revealed in. I have a feeling that, unlike OAOW, she wasn’t intended to be a mob-sac. ---
**Author:** ![Boozahol\_Squid\_P.I](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/d9b06d/32.png) [@Boozahol\_Squid\_P.I](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boozahol_Squid_P.I)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2008, 1:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-solve-it-mafia-game/429636/1127 "2008-01-19T01:36:28Z")
EBWOP: There should have been something to the effect of “I agree with you that…” in there. ---
**Author:** ![Hockey\_Monkey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/a183cd/32.png) [@Hockey\_Monkey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hockey_Monkey)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2008, 1:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-solve-it-mafia-game/429636/1128 "2008-01-19T01:36:29Z")
Kinda moot now dontcha think? 😛 I am eagerly awaiting his death scene. ---
**Author:** ![zuma](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/e9c0ed/32.png) [@zuma](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/zuma)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2008, 5:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-solve-it-mafia-game/429636/1129 "2008-01-19T17:56:35Z")
Hurry the hdl up, story. ---
**Author:** ![Boozahol\_Squid\_P.I](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/d9b06d/32.png) [@Boozahol\_Squid\_P.I](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boozahol_Squid_P.I)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2008, 8:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-solve-it-mafia-game/429636/1130 "2008-01-19T20:06:16Z")
Damnit… hy do we always have to waste half our day waiting on the dead guy? Can we start throwing out votes now? ---
**Author:** ![Boozahol\_Squid\_P.I](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/d9b06d/32.png) [@Boozahol\_Squid\_P.I](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boozahol_Squid_P.I)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2008, 12:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-solve-it-mafia-game/429636/1131 "2008-01-20T00:44:59Z")
All right: This is all pending a change based on storyteller’s death post, but I’m going to do a rapid about-face toDay. I’m not voting for faithfool! The fact that there have only been two people who have regular joined me on this particular Crusade of mine wasn’t going to dissuade me. The fact that one of those two just turned out to be scummalicious gives me pause. Freudian didn’t have much reason to think she’d be found out this quickly (reducing my WIFOM thoughts), and had joined me on prior days makes me think that she was taking advantage of my bull-headed tenacity to get a townie lynch in (and entirely discredit me). So… zuma was the other person who leapt onto my ready made bandwagon, and also tried to buddy up to me in the same manner as Freudian. Seems a bit too ripe to hope for two scum doing the exact same thing. Hawkeyeop and Pleonast are currently my Dio-gut leaders in scumminess… but I bet you folks will want more than that before I toss a vote down. I’ll look over thier posts and see if I can put together a coherant argument against either. If not… well, rationale hasn’t slowed me down yet in voting. ---
**Author:** ![brewha](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/91b2a8/32.png) [@brewha](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brewha)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2008, 3:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-solve-it-mafia-game/429636/1132 "2008-01-20T15:48:50Z")
Before I get into assumptions, here are the facts. **Pleonast, HockeyMonkey, HazelNutCoffee** , and **Hal Briston** did not vote for **Frued**. Obviously, they are not all scum. But, I’m willing to bet at least one of them is - maybe both (or all three?). [QUOTE=Pleonast] > [@Brewha](#): > > I couldn’t be more opposed. Either kill me today or call me town and focus on someone else. This is two days in a row that too much time has been analyzing me to no positive outcome. So you are suggesting we do that again tomorrow? That would be the most pro scum thing we could do. > > If the majority opinion is that analyzing me again tomorrow or the next day is a good idea - just chuck me off the cliff now - because there is no way we can win if we keep wasting time like this. Wow, you attack me for trying to get others out of the blinders of focusing only on you. I was beginning to lean towards thinking you were one of us. But this whole “lynch me or trust me, NOW” simply reeks of Scum trying to force a false dichotomy. (Similar to what **Hal** ’s been trying to do, too.) And then this sudden rush onto **Freud**? **story** made a reasonable case and now there’s a headlong rush to lynch? Looks like a lot of me-too votes, perfect for scum jump on. Count me as highly skeptical of that bandwagon. Based on **brewha** ’s reaction to my post and speed with which the **Freud** votes built up: **unvote faithfool** **vote brewha** [/QUOTE] Here’s the first post that tripped my scumdar. You claim that I ‘attacked’ you. I did no such thing. I can’t even see a way that my post could be misconstrued as an attack. I assure you that the ‘lynch me or trust me’ was not a bluff. I didn’t want another day wasted by analyzing me. This post seems alot like someone trying to protect **Frued** by getting the bandwagon focused back on me. Then there were these two posts: [QUOTE=Hockey Monkey] You guys don’t need me to change my vote right now, so I’ll keep mine where it is. I find it quite interesting that brewha has managed to escape the noose two Days in a row. If the rest of you guys don’t find that to be compelling I don’t know what more I can do. I think the Freudian Slit wagon built a head of steam way too fast, but if any funny business happens at the end of the day I’ll make sure I do what I can to make the lynch happen. (Unless you all want to switch back to brewha.) [/quote] [QUOTE=Hockey Monkey] Twice now the scum have managed to save you **brewha**! I’ll be on your case again tomorrow if you guys don’t kill me tonight. [/QUOTE] I would like to point out that there are no power roles in this game. I can’t think of any reason why scum would sacrifice one of their members for another. If I were scum, it makes no sense that my fellow DA’s would save me by lynching another DA. The scum were obviously not involved in getting the vote switched from me to **Frued**. If fact, I’m willing to bet that they were probably trying to cast guilt on someone else as a last ditch effort to save **Frued**. I’m pointed the big stinky FOS at both these \*\*Hockey Monkey \*\* and **Pleonast**. ---
**Author:** ![brewha](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/91b2a8/32.png) [@brewha](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brewha)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2008, 3:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-solve-it-mafia-game/429636/1133 "2008-01-20T15:50:47Z")
EBYOP Please disregard the extraneous ‘these’ at the end of my post. Stupid no edit rule. Grumble grumble. ---
**Author:** ![Boozahol\_Squid\_P.I](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/d9b06d/32.png) [@Boozahol\_Squid\_P.I](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boozahol_Squid_P.I)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2008, 7:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-solve-it-mafia-game/429636/1134 "2008-01-21T07:53:02Z")
::kicks story’s corpse:: Speak, damn you! ---
**Author:** ![zuma](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/e9c0ed/32.png) [@zuma](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/zuma)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2008, 2:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-solve-it-mafia-game/429636/1135 "2008-01-21T14:00:24Z")
story is smelling awfully ripe. I gavent had a chance to review the voting history yet, but that is where I will be looking today. Hopefully mayby whatever last maggot is feeding on whats left of story will mayby tell us things. ---
**Author:** ![storyteller0910](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecae2f/32.png) [@storyteller0910](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/storyteller0910)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2008, 4:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-solve-it-mafia-game/429636/1136 "2008-01-21T16:38:52Z")
\ Stop yelling at me! My maggots submitted their final report before kickoff of the early game yesterday. \ ---
**Author:** ![Hawkeyeop](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/958977/32.png) [@Hawkeyeop](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hawkeyeop)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2008, 5:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-solve-it-mafia-game/429636/1137 "2008-01-21T17:30:46Z")
I agree with Brewha in that there is likely scum among those who didn’t vote for Freudian. This was a key lynch for us and probably an unexpected one for them. I tend to doubt that they did much jumping on the bandwagon, when without each individual vote, Freudian might not have been lynched, This analysis doesn’t work as well if Brewha is scum, but his vote for Freudian made her a viable candidate, a dangerous action for a scum. I would, however, throw Faithfool into the list of suspects. Her vote for Freudian came after we already had a majority. In fact, I find that much more suspicious then Pleo’s refusal to jump on the bandwagon and vote of Brewha. Pleo could of voted Freudian there with no risk. Hockey and Hazel, for reasons already stated, do not seem scummy to me. Hal, on the other hand, said he would rather vote for Freudian then Brewha, but then never actually voted, sending massive red flags my way. On to the dossier analysis. As it turns out, Freudian’s dossier was remarkably similar to OAOW. He revealed his hand right after OAOW, (He was 16th) and like OAOW, he had no first traits. He had 4 unique and 1 copied. So perhaps our reasoning on Mhaye was solid, and he was just the exception to the rule. The other people with no first traits are Faithfool, me, Kat (dead), and Hal Briston. Hey look there. Faithfool and Hal Briston come up as most suspicious under both of those ways of looking at things. So they are my top two targets. Faithfool, due to having more additional evidence against her is the current #1. Of course, I think one can twist my arm into voting Brewha. ---
**Author:** ![Pleonast](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pleonast/32/1183_2.png) [@Pleonast](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pleonast)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2008, 5:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-solve-it-mafia-game/429636/1138 "2008-01-21T17:33:39Z")
Here’s my best estimate at final vote counts (since **NAF** doesn’t post them). I’ve colored the dead based on their alignment. **Day One** 10 - MHaye - (OAOW, zuma, brewha, Dio, Hawkeyeop, Kat, Cookies, Pleonast, HockeyMonkey, Freudian Slit) 3 - zuma - (sach, Mhaye Hal Briston) 1 - Diomedes - (Storyteller) 1 - brewha - (ShadowFacts) 3 - No Vote - faith, Hazel, Rysto **Day Two** 8 - OneAndOnlyWanderers - (Hal Briston, Hawkeyop, sach, shadowfacts, Pleo, Freudian Slit, Kat, HockeyMonkey) 1 - Diomedes - (Faithfool) 1 - Faithfool - (Dio) 6 - No Vote - brewha, Hazel, Rysto, zuma, story, OAOW **Day Three** 7 - brewha (sach, HockeyMonkey, Hawkeyeop, Freudian Slit, Rysto, Hal Briston, Pleo) 2 - Diomedes (faithfool, kat) 2 - faithfool (zuma, Dio) 1 - Hawkeyeop (brewha) 2 - No Vote - Hazel, story **Day Four** 8 - Freudian Slit (story, sach, brewha , zuma, dio, faithfool, rysto, hawk) 2 - brewha (HM, Freudian) 2 - Diomedes (HNC, Hal) 1 - faithfool (pleo) 0 - No Vote - N/A I’ll go ahead and post, but I want to stare at this a bit to see if it means anything. ---
**Author:** ![Hockey\_Monkey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/a183cd/32.png) [@Hockey\_Monkey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hockey_Monkey)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2008, 5:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-solve-it-mafia-game/429636/1139 "2008-01-21T17:36:26Z")
[QUOTE=Hawkeyeop] I agree with Brewha in that there is likely scum among those who didn’t vote for Freudian. This was a key lynch for us and probably an unexpected one for them. I tend to doubt that they did much jumping on the bandwagon, when without each individual vote, Freudian might not have been lynched, This analysis doesn’t work as well if Brewha is scum, but his vote for Freudian made her a viable candidate, a dangerous action for a scum. [/QUOTE] I only want to address this part right now. If \*\*brewha \*\* is scum it would have been dangerous for him NOT to vote for **Freudian**. Or for \*\*Freudian \*\* not to vote for **brewha**. It would have looked especially suspicious for them not to. If there were two of them up on the block yesterday, they would have had to vote for each other because not doing so would have garnered extra suspicion. We can’t assume now that \*\*brewha \*\* is not scum because he voted for one. No no no. ---
**Author:** ![Hawkeyeop](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/958977/32.png) [@Hawkeyeop](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hawkeyeop)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2008, 5:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-solve-it-mafia-game/429636/1140 "2008-01-21T17:47:03Z")
[QUOTE=Hockey Monkey] I only want to address this part right now. If \*\*brewha \*\* is scum it would have been dangerous for him NOT to vote for **Freudian**. Or for \*\*Freudian \*\* not to vote for **brewha**. It would have looked especially suspicious for them not to. If there were two of them up on the block yesterday, they would have had to vote for each other because not doing so would have garnered extra suspicion. We can’t assume now that \*\*brewha \*\* is not scum because he voted for one. No no no. [/QUOTE] You are arguing that I don’t find Brewha scummy enough? Yeesh. In this case though, Brewha’s action was not scummy. He didn’t jump on a bandwagon, he started one. At the time of Brewha’s vote, Freudian had only one vote upon him. A number of people had one vote on them. They, in part, weren’t getting additional votes, because they were unlikely to reach majority. Brewha’s 2nd vote for Freudian started the momentum. Now an additional vote would be the third and she would a viable alternate to Brewha. So, if Brewha was scum, he was trading a scum with little suspicion upon him (at the time) for one of great suspicion. It doesn’t seem like a great trade off to me. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-solve-it-mafia-game/429636.md?page=56) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-solve-it-mafia-game/429636.md?page=58)