# You-Solve-It Mafia Game **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [December 11, 2007, 6:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-solve-it-mafia-game/429636 "2007-12-11T18:21:39Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 61
**Author:** ![Hal\_Briston](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/a9a28c/32.png) [@Hal\_Briston](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hal_Briston)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2008, 4:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-solve-it-mafia-game/429636/1201 "2008-01-24T04:54:23Z")
Hell, I’m still playing the “anyone who says I’m scum stands an excellent chance of being scum” game, so I’m up for a hare-brained scheme… ---
**Author:** ![zuma](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/e9c0ed/32.png) [@zuma](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/zuma)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2008, 8:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-solve-it-mafia-game/429636/1202 "2008-01-24T08:06:48Z")
I’m going to be voting for one of the non- **freudian** voters. And I count **faithfool** in that group, given that her vote came after it was already a done deal. My vote will probably come down to either her or **HazelNutCoffee** who really does seem to have a voting history of hiding in the shadows with one-off votes, and avoiding taking any sort of stand. That said, I’m not done reviewing and re-reading. Also, I want to address this, from **Pleonast** , [day 3](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=9340701&postcount=847): > [@Pleonast](#): > > Revealing our Dossiers was to me so obviously a pro-Town move, I felt unilaterally stating mine was the best course of action. And, as it turns out, the Town ended up following me. If you think leading the Town in a pro-Town direction is scummy, then you need to re-adjust your scumdar. I agree with you completely, if you are town. However, while recently browsing through the pre-game, before the game was full and before roles had been assigned: > [@Pleonast](#): > > The Dossier: I’m tempted, as a player, to immediately reveal my Dossier. Of course, if I’m scum, I’ll probably lie some. Is there any reason for a Townie not to truthfully reveal all their Dossier at the beginning? > [@Pleonast](#): > > I’m not certain how the Dossier will work either. But three points: 1) all the Town truthfully revealing their Dossier won’t break the game, 2) no Townie is more valuable than any other, so no one to protect by hiding among the vanillas, and 3) more information will make any Dossier analysis easier. Thus, I’m thinking Townies should quickly and truthfully reveal their Dossiers. Now, like I said, I agree with you, but I don’t think you get to “take credit” for something you basically locked yourself into doing before your role had even been assigned. If you are town, well, you’re doing what you said you thought would be a good idea for town to do. If, however, you are scum, you had no choice but to pursue this on day 1, as you’d eventually have been strung up if you didn’t, given your pre-game comments. So that post bugs a little. ---
**Author:** ![joyfool](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/df788c/32.png) [@joyfool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/joyfool)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2008, 1:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-solve-it-mafia-game/429636/1203 "2008-01-24T13:48:58Z")
Sorry to say, but I’m equally clueless as some of the others. So I’d be thrilled to know which rabbit to follow down what hole… [last sentence to be misconstrued later.] ---
**Author:** ![zuma](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/e9c0ed/32.png) [@zuma](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/zuma)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2008, 2:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-solve-it-mafia-game/429636/1204 "2008-01-24T14:00:27Z")
Faith. I am of the opinion that vote histories are an excellent place to start now that we know many alignments. Take a look at revealed traits too. ---
**Author:** ![HazelNutCoffee](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/ac91a4/32.png) [@HazelNutCoffee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HazelNutCoffee)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2008, 2:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-solve-it-mafia-game/429636/1205 "2008-01-24T14:03:07Z")
Gee, if I’d known that voting with the majority would have confirmed my Towniness, I would have jumped on every bandwagon that formed from Day 1. [/sarcasm] I have to run to class - but I do want to say that I voted based on what _I_ thought was right. If I’d been the last vote to swing the majority you’d probably find that scummy too, no? :dubious: ---
**Author:** ![brewha](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/91b2a8/32.png) [@brewha](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brewha)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2008, 2:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-solve-it-mafia-game/429636/1206 "2008-01-24T14:27:42Z")
I’ve already outlined my reasons back in post [1132](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=9387316&postcount=1132) I don’t like that **Hockey Monkey** said that she would be on my case tomorrow regardless of the outcome of Fruedian Slit’s lynch. It seemed to be a last ditch effort to save her fellow scum. Vote Hockey Monkey I think **Pleonast** is equally scummy and would be willing to vote for him as well. ---
**Author:** ![NAF1138](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naf1138/32/3245_2.png) [@NAF1138](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NAF1138)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2008, 3:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-solve-it-mafia-game/429636/1207 "2008-01-24T15:17:11Z")
[QUOTE=HazelNutCoffee] When does the Day end again? Sorry, I’m really bad at keeping track of dates and times. [/QUOTE] Friday at 11:30 am. ---
**Author:** ![Hawkeyeop](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/958977/32.png) [@Hawkeyeop](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hawkeyeop)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2008, 3:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-solve-it-mafia-game/429636/1208 "2008-01-24T15:26:08Z")
Okay. Seems like it is time to get some votes on the board. **Vote Faithfool** For the reasons in the post I linked for Zuma. ---
**Author:** ![Hockey\_Monkey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/a183cd/32.png) [@Hockey\_Monkey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hockey_Monkey)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2008, 3:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-solve-it-mafia-game/429636/1209 "2008-01-24T15:37:24Z")
[QUOTE=brewha] I’ve already outlined my reasons back in post [1132](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=9387316&postcount=1132) I don’t like that **Hockey Monkey** said that she would be on my case tomorrow regardless of the outcome of Fruedian Slit’s lynch. It seemed to be a last ditch effort to save her fellow scum. Vote Hockey Monkey I think **Pleonast** is equally scummy and would be willing to vote for him as well. [/QUOTE] I made no last ditch effort to save anybody. If you will recall, I said I would change my vote if any funny business happened at the end of the day to make sure she was lynched. My vote wasn’t needed at the time, and I wanted to stay on record with my vote for you. ToDay, however, another person has come to the forefront of my mind as scum. I still think you, **brewha** , are scum, but \*\*HazelNutCoffee \*\* has gained some ground in that area too. I will be happy voting for either of you today, but to be consistent… **vote brewha** ---
**Author:** ![Hal\_Briston](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/a9a28c/32.png) [@Hal\_Briston](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hal_Briston)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2008, 3:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-solve-it-mafia-game/429636/1210 "2008-01-24T15:58:58Z")
Ok, less than a day remaining…time to get on record. For all the faulty logic employed in [post 1137](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=9390524&postcount=1137) and for voting for someone I’m pretty sure is town – vote **Hawkeyeop** If it comes down to necessity, I’d also be behind taking out **Pleonast** , **Diomedes** or (to a lesser extent) **brewha**. ---
**Author:** ![Hawkeyeop](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/958977/32.png) [@Hawkeyeop](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hawkeyeop)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2008, 4:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-solve-it-mafia-game/429636/1211 "2008-01-24T16:06:03Z")
[QUOTE=Hal Briston] Ok, less than a day remaining…time to get on record. For all the faulty logic employed in [post 1137](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=9390524&postcount=1137) and for voting for someone I’m pretty sure is town – vote **Hawkeyeop** If it comes down to necessity, I’d also be behind taking out **Pleonast** , **Diomedes** or (to a lesser extent) **brewha**. [/QUOTE] Faulty logic? Care to elaborate? ---
**Author:** ![joyfool](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/df788c/32.png) [@joyfool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/joyfool)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2008, 4:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-solve-it-mafia-game/429636/1212 "2008-01-24T16:31:29Z")
Well since we’d better hurry up and do something, I’m going to go with the fact that we constantly came \>thisclose\< to lynching **brewha**. Must be something there, right? 'Least that’s what I’d previously been reading some. Therefore… **vote brewha** ---
**Author:** ![zuma](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/e9c0ed/32.png) [@zuma](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/zuma)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2008, 4:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-solve-it-mafia-game/429636/1213 "2008-01-24T16:49:47Z")
you are vnting brewha?[ **vote faithfool** [ I was ready to vote HNc. ---
**Author:** ![NAF1138](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naf1138/32/3245_2.png) [@NAF1138](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NAF1138)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2008, 4:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-solve-it-mafia-game/429636/1214 "2008-01-24T16:58:33Z")
looks like there are finally enough votes to warrent a count: 2 - brewha (HM, faithfool) 2 - faithfool (hawkeye, zuma) 1 - Hocky Monkey (brewha) 1 - Hawkeyeop (Hal) 1 - HazelNutCoffee (Pleo) 7 out of 11 votes cast. It takes 6 on one person to make the lynch thing happen, it takes 7 to end the Day early. You have 26.5 hours left to make a decision. ---
**Author:** ![zuma](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/e9c0ed/32.png) [@zuma](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/zuma)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2008, 5:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-solve-it-mafia-game/429636/1215 "2008-01-24T17:13:55Z")
I find it interesting that those that had nothing tn dn with lynching FS are now voting the way they are. ---
**Author:** ![Hal\_Briston](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/a9a28c/32.png) [@Hal\_Briston](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hal_Briston)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2008, 5:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-solve-it-mafia-game/429636/1216 "2008-01-24T17:17:56Z")
[QUOTE=Hawkeyeop] Faulty logic? Care to elaborate? [/QUOTE] Already did: [QUOTE=Hawkeyeop] Hal, on the other hand, said he would rather vote for Freudian then Brewha, but then never actually voted, sending massive red flags my way. [QUOTE=Hal Briston] \ My vote wasn’t necessary to sent **Freudian** over the cliff. If I had switched and she turned up scum, then you could claim “oh, scum _had_ to vote for her because they couldn’t save her”. If I switched and she turned up clean, then it would be “oh, what a scummy bandwagon vote”. [/QUOTE] [/QUOTE] You also found suspicion with the fact that I had no first traits, ignoring the fact that as the last to reveal, I _wouldn’t_ have first traits. [QUOTE=Hawkeyeop] Hey look there. Faithfool and Hal Briston come up as most suspicious under both of those ways of looking at things. So they are my top two targets. [/QUOTE] And I counter that both of those way of looking at things reveal nothing suspicious. Scum, however, would be well served to convince everyone otherwise. ---
**Author:** ![Hawkeyeop](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/958977/32.png) [@Hawkeyeop](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hawkeyeop)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2008, 5:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-solve-it-mafia-game/429636/1217 "2008-01-24T17:30:40Z")
[QUOTE=Hal Briston] Already did: You also found suspicion with the fact that I had no first traits, ignoring the fact that as the last to reveal, I _wouldn’t_ have first traits. [/QUOTE] Well yes. But the fact you were last wasn’t random. You chose to reveal after everyone else had. ---
**Author:** ![Hockey\_Monkey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/a183cd/32.png) [@Hockey\_Monkey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hockey_Monkey)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2008, 5:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-solve-it-mafia-game/429636/1218 "2008-01-24T17:33:21Z")
[QUOTE=zuma] I find it interesting that those that had nothing tn dn with lynching FS are now voting the way they are. [/QUOTE] How exactly? ---
**Author:** ![HazelNutCoffee](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/ac91a4/32.png) [@HazelNutCoffee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HazelNutCoffee)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2008, 5:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-solve-it-mafia-game/429636/1219 "2008-01-24T17:40:00Z")
[QUOTE=Pleonast] So let’s say the scum were split on the **brewha** vote. That means one of sach, HockeyMonkey, Hawkeyeop, Rysto, Hal Briston, Pleo are scum. And two of faithfool, zuma, Dio, Hazel. (Removing **brewha** , since this is all premised on him being Town.) And I think scum were more likely to not vote for **Freud**. These are HockeyMonkey, Hazel, Hal, Pleo. The intersection of my two short lists is **Hazel**. Based on this vote analysis, I’ll **vote Hazel** [/QUOTE] I really don’t get the first part of your reasoning - that one person from your first list and two people from your second list are scum. If that is true, **HockeyMonkey** , you, and **Hal** all intersect your supposed “might be scum” list. I am the only one that intersects the “two scum in this list” and “didn’t vote for **Freudian Slit** ” list, but why the hell does that make me more suspcious than those who intersect your “one scum in this list” and “didn’t vote for **Freud** ”? I think most of you are thinking I’m scummy because I never cast a vote for known scum, and have never followed the majority when it comes to casting votes. Well, let’s see what the possibilities are. - I am scum, and I deliberately stayed away from voting for my scum buddies because I didn’t want them to get lynched. I stayed away from the majority in the hopes of staying below the radar. - I am Town, and my scumdar is apparently broken, but I’m being stubborn about sticking to my opinions, flawed as they are. First of all, none of us know whether or not I have voted for scum or not. For all we know **zuma** and **Dio** could be scum and they just haven’t garnered suspicion yet. You guys are mostly suspecting me because I’ve been “safe” voting. I find this definition of safe voting weird. If I wanted to hide my votes, don’t you think I would have buried myself in a majority? (Besides, I was one of four who voted for **zuma** ; I wasn’t exactly a lone voice in the wilderness.) And if I was anxious about trying to appear like town, wouldn’t it make sense to, you know, vote at least once for scum? Scum that was obviously going to get lynched? I know scum never have set voting patterns, but the reasoning behind my supposed scumminess could go either way. And for those of you who are going on about my non-votes; well, I have nothing to say about my most recent one, because it was due to a RL circumstance, and if you think I’m lying about that, all I have to say is that I think lying about a RL situation to sway the game is something akin to cheating, and that I would never do that. I’m saying this completely out of game: my non-vote that time was _not a strategy of any sort_, scum or Town. My first non-vote was when **brewha** was in the hotseat and about to be rush-lynched. I felt that it was in the town’s best interest to delay that, as I stated at the time. **zuma** , why are you voting for **faithfool**? Because she’s voting for **brewha**? ---
**Author:** ![zuma](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/e9c0ed/32.png) [@zuma](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/zuma)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2008, 5:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-solve-it-mafia-game/429636/1220 "2008-01-24T17:42:04Z")
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