# You-Solve-It Mafia Game **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [December 11, 2007, 6:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-solve-it-mafia-game/429636 "2007-12-11T18:21:39Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 78
**Author:** ![Hal\_Briston](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/a9a28c/32.png) [@Hal\_Briston](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hal_Briston)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2008, 10:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-solve-it-mafia-game/429636/1541 "2008-02-07T22:22:02Z")
_OOOOOOooooooooOOOOOOoooooooooooOOOOOoooo!!_ (A ghostly voice points the Wingding deficient to a screenshot of the symbols in question) ---
**Author:** ![NAF1138](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naf1138/32/3245_2.png) [@NAF1138](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NAF1138)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2008, 10:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-solve-it-mafia-game/429636/1542 "2008-02-07T22:27:22Z")
[QUOTE=Pleonast] I’m seeing @CNM on my Windows machine here. Is there a coding problem? It’s probably worthwhile to go back and look at the Dossiers carefully. We know they withheld/lied about some traits. There may be some pattern discernible from our confirmed Dossiers that will reveal some inconsistency in the remaining Scum’s claimed Dossiers. I’m certainly not the killer, so I know something’s not right. It’d be nice to see more analyses than just mine and **brewha** ’s. [/QUOTE] It would seem not everyone can see this Day’s clue. Hal has provided a screen shot of what it is supposed to look like (Hal, thanks for the hand, next time let the mods do this though.) ---
**Author:** ![Rysto](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/ecccb3/32.png) [@Rysto](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rysto)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2008, 10:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-solve-it-mafia-game/429636/1543 "2008-02-07T22:41:16Z")
Yeah, that’s got to be the Nuclear Bombs trait. Which, of course, tells us precisely nothing, just like the last 2 traits. ---
**Author:** ![brewha](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/91b2a8/32.png) [@brewha](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brewha)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2008, 11:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-solve-it-mafia-game/429636/1544 "2008-02-07T23:01:17Z")
I got a hairbrained idea. The nuclear bomb trait is only applicable if Pleo is the killer. I know dossier analysis has been done to death with nothing to show for it, but we have a smaller group to analyze so it may be worth another shot. I entertained the idea of Pleo as the killer because is the lone trait sharer of my public trait. It seems quite odd that I have no unique traits. I believe that I was meant to have at least one trait, but scum had ‘borrowed’ one of mine to hide their own. I need to go back and find out what order the traits were revealed and in which order the players revealed them. I’m really saying nothing here other than thinking outloud. I’ll have something more substantial when I get back from my readthrough. ---
**Author:** ![Boozahol\_Squid\_P.I](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/d9b06d/32.png) [@Boozahol\_Squid\_P.I](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boozahol_Squid_P.I)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2008, 1:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-solve-it-mafia-game/429636/1545 "2008-02-09T01:53:07Z")
Jeez, guys… this damn near fell to page three! ---
**Author:** ![brewha](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/91b2a8/32.png) [@brewha](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brewha)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2008, 4:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-solve-it-mafia-game/429636/1546 "2008-02-09T04:21:10Z")
I did a re-read. I feel stabby. I wasted a shit ton of time to come to the conclusion that everyone that is left has done some significantly scummy things. So, who’s the scummiest? I’ll start with my point of the re-read - vote analysis. I looked at all votes since day one and once again assigned a + to a scum vote, 0 to an unknown, and a - to a town vote. Here’s the voting history in alphabetical order. Apologies for the name truncation and lack of capital letters - it’s just cause I’m lazy. Brewha: Mhaye, Hawkeye, Hawkeye, Frued, Hockey, Dio, brewha, hawkeye, hazel0 Faithfool: faith, hal, dio, oaow, dio, brew, dio, brew, frued\*, brew, brew-3 Hawkeyeop: hal, mhaye, oaow, brew, brew, frued, faith, brew, dio, brew.-1 Hockey Monkey: faith, oaow, mhaye, brew, oaow, brew, brew, hnc, brew,rysto, hnc +3 Pleonast: Hal, mhaye, faith, oaow\*\*, faith, brew, faith, brew, hazel, hazel2 Sacherote: zuma, oaow, brew, frued, faith, dio, brew-1 Rysto: dio, brew, frued, hawk, hnc+1 - voted for freud after required number had already been attained - the vote did nothing. The scum-number could be dropped one point. \*\*after enough votes for oaow was attained, pleo unvoted to stop the clock.The scum number could be dropped a point. The number in the () is assuming that my affiliation is unknown. The number in the is assuming that I am town. I really don’t think that Faith is scum, but she absolutely sucks at voting. The other voting surprise is that Hockey has voted pretty pro town - if you don’t count her persistant dogging of me. I flagged a bunch of posts during my re-read as significant, but I just don’t have the ambition to properly code all the post numbers as links tonight. I’ll do it either tomorrow or Sun. ---
**Author:** ![CatInASuit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/3be4f8/32.png) [@CatInASuit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CatInASuit)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2008, 6:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-solve-it-mafia-game/429636/1547 "2008-02-10T06:38:03Z")
Bump - because it did actually fall off the end of Page 2. ☹ ---
**Author:** ![brewha](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/91b2a8/32.png) [@brewha](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brewha)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2008, 3:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-solve-it-mafia-game/429636/1548 "2008-02-10T15:35:04Z")
[HERE](http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2295/2255119584_2e784a3b8d_b.jpg) is the result of my re read. It makes no sense to me either, but I’ll detail a few points. The upper left corner are all the posts that I flagged as Hawkeye scummy. **On preview none of my coding for post numbers work - so don’t bother clicking on them. I’ll fix em later, but gotta take off for the rest of the day, and just want to get this out there for discussion** [#960](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=9452909&postcount=960), he promises a case against me. [#1240](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=9452909&postcount=1240) claims to have already laid out 17 reasons against me, but says he will re-state them. [#1313](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=9452909&postcount=1313) again promises a case against me [#1374](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=9452909&postcount=1374) again promises a case against me What does this mean? I don’t know. He is either scum that has been on me all game because people keep getting on my bandwagon, or he is a well intentioned but misinformed town. Either way, he keeps claiming to have this great case against me, but I’ve seen nothing of it. [#984](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=9452909&postcount=984), he flips out seemingly unprovoked. [#1137](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=9452909&postcount=1137), Defends HNC (who we know is scum) and Hockey Monkey - who I suspect and has since tried to distance herself from Hawkeye. [#1260](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=9452909&postcount=1260) defends HNC again Once again - scummy posts, but could be misinformed town. Post [#968](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=9452909&postcount=968) really bothers me - or I should say the following posts bother me. Story (known town) made a long and very well thought out case against Hawkeye. In a few words, Hawkeye refutes one part of Story’s case, and Story dismisses the whole thing. I think he was on to something and gave up to easily. Other things I’ve noticed about Hawkeye. According to the Basketball score randomizer thingie, he was supposed to reveal 8th. He held up the reveal process until #14. He would have been last, but Hal had drawn #15 and waited until the everyone else had revealed to reveal his. This means that he had access to all traits (other than Hal’s) before he revealed. I’m going to suggest that he ‘borrowed’ half of what he claimed and the other half of his dossier is correct. That way, no matter what, he could claim that he had half of his traits in common with town. Of course this is all speculation, but I do have two traits in common with him and none unique to myself. Hawkeye does have two things going for him. He did vote for Frued and OAOW. OTOH, if we were to go on vote analysis alone, I’d have to vote for Faithfool. She did vote for Frued, but it was after we already had enough to lynch. She did vote for OAOW, so I’ll give her that. But, she also voted for: Hal, Dio 3 times, and myself 4 times. So, after all that, I don’t have anything bulletproof. But, I do (and have for the last few (game) days) think that Hawkeye is the most likely scum. Vote Hawkeyeop ---
**Author:** ![brewha](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/91b2a8/32.png) [@brewha](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brewha)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2008, 3:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-solve-it-mafia-game/429636/1549 "2008-02-10T15:39:36Z")
Also (as noted on my chicken scratchings) what’s with Zuma and Top Hot dogs? It’s come up several times and it makes me wonder if it’s some code I’m too obtuse to get. And then there’s the Queen Latifa remark that I didn’t get either. ---
**Author:** ![Pleonast](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pleonast/32/1183_2.png) [@Pleonast](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pleonast)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2008, 5:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-solve-it-mafia-game/429636/1550 "2008-02-10T17:19:16Z")
Sorry, everyone, I was sick again. Too busy today to do anything in depth, but I should have some time tomorrow to relook over things. Why is there not more discussion of who to lynch? Are **brewha** and I the only ones who’ve voted? Where is everyone else? We need everyone to put forward their voting candidates. 1) To see if there’s a consensus, since that’s our best way to catch scum. 2) To leave a trail for others to follow. We’re forfeiting the game to the scum by not talking. ☹ ---
**Author:** ![Hockey\_Monkey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/a183cd/32.png) [@Hockey\_Monkey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hockey_Monkey)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2008, 4:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-solve-it-mafia-game/429636/1551 "2008-02-11T04:45:03Z")
I apologise for my extended absence this day. We’ve had some changes at work over the last week that made it a little more difficult to put any time in on the game. Top Dog is a joke that developed when \*\*zuma \*\* knew he was caught in a game and decided to mess with our voting record by voting for everyone and top dog. Since then anyone voting top dog was a scum basically saying “you got me”. Now, with that taken care of, I still have some pretty strong instincts that \*\*brewha \*\* and \*\*Rysto \*\* are our two remaining scum. But that’s really all I’ve got…instincts and gut feelings. \*\*Pleonast \*\* and \*\*Hawkeyeop \*\* are not off the hook though. \*\*Pleo \*\* may have revealed his dossier first in an effort to appear as townie as possible. The scum had access to each other’s dossier’s during Night One, and it’s possible that he could have constructed a good one before hand. He either is last night’s killer or shares a trait with the killer. I’m not considering \*\*faithfool \*\* as a suspect right now. My first vote for the day will be a vote for Rysto for the same reason I voted for him yesterDay. Let’s start getting votes out people, and discuss what we are going to do. ---
**Author:** ![brewha](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/91b2a8/32.png) [@brewha](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brewha)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2008, 3:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-solve-it-mafia-game/429636/1552 "2008-02-11T15:18:42Z")
Alright, this sucks. We’re gonna lose due to apathy. The lynch deadline is tomorrow. We have three votes and maybe 1/2 dozen posts with any content - in 7 DAYS! Town. I don’t care if you don’t have anything truly profound or earth shattering to say, just say something - anything. State who you think is guilty or innocent. If we don’t know where you stand, there’s nothing we can do. At this rate, we’re gonna have another clusterfuck voting frenzy sometime within two hours of the deadline tomorrow - exactly what the scum wants. ---
**Author:** ![NAF1138](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naf1138/32/3245_2.png) [@NAF1138](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NAF1138)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2008, 4:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-solve-it-mafia-game/429636/1553 "2008-02-11T16:32:26Z")
1 - Hocky Monkey (Pleo) 1 - Hawkeyeop (brewha) 1 - Rysto (Hockey Monkey) 27 and a half hours to go in the Day. It takes 4 votes on a single person to make a lynch happen. Also…some of you haven’t posted enough toDay. I will be PMing you shortly if this is something you need to worry about. If you can’t get 3 posts in by the end of the Day or be able to tell me why, I am mod killing you. ---
**Author:** ![Hawkeyeop](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/958977/32.png) [@Hawkeyeop](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hawkeyeop)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2008, 4:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-solve-it-mafia-game/429636/1554 "2008-02-11T16:42:14Z")
I apologize as well for not posting. I was away all weekend and am now catching up. on the bright side… catching up really didn’t take long. It is going to to take me a while to gather and express my thoughts, so I’ll just start with my conclusion. **vote Sach** This is a tentative vote, but I wanted to get something on record. More in a bit. ---
**Author:** ![Rysto](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/ecccb3/32.png) [@Rysto](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rysto)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2008, 5:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-solve-it-mafia-game/429636/1555 "2008-02-11T17:24:39Z")
**sachertorte** hasn’t posted once toDay. Can we get a mod-poke, please? Yes, I’m aware of the hypocrisy. **HM** seems to have the most support out of my two suspects, so I’m going to go ahead and **vote Hockey Monkey** I’m putting together my full case now. ---
**Author:** ![NAF1138](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naf1138/32/3245_2.png) [@NAF1138](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NAF1138)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2008, 5:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-solve-it-mafia-game/429636/1556 "2008-02-11T17:51:29Z")
[QUOTE=Rysto] **sachertorte** hasn’t posted once toDay. Can we get a mod-poke, please? . [/QUOTE] Already on it. Several pokes have gone out. ---
**Author:** ![brewha](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/91b2a8/32.png) [@brewha](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brewha)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2008, 6:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-solve-it-mafia-game/429636/1557 "2008-02-11T18:05:03Z")
Not my #1 choice, but definitely a viable canidate. And, if she’s not scum, I’m almost sure I know who is. So, Unvote Hawkeyeop Vote Hockey Monkey After re-reading the entire thread, it’s become quite clear to me that Rysto and Hockey Monkey are on opposite teams. I’m pretty confident the Rysto is on the town side, but if Hockey Monkey does turn up town - Rysto is scum. ---
**Author:** ![Hawkeyeop](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/958977/32.png) [@Hawkeyeop](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hawkeyeop)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2008, 6:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-solve-it-mafia-game/429636/1558 "2008-02-11T18:14:58Z")
Let’s start with some vote analysis. Day 1 Now that we know Zuma is town, I will put a little more weight in his belief that Brewha first vote was not scummy. Still, I think it is mistake to put much credence in the fact that scum’s votes will be systematic. Day 5 I still find it odd that Hazel did not vote for Brewha when facing likely death. If Hazel voted for Brewha then all we would need was Hockey to vote for Brewha (Not a totally unreasonable assumption as Hockey has been pretty hard on Brewha all game) for Brewha to be lynched. Thus, if Brewha was not scum, the town would need to right 3 consecutive days to win. I would expect for Hazel to take that shot if she could. The fact that she didn’t makes me think that Brewha was also scum. Day 6 Three people ended the day on Brewha. I agree that it is unlikely that both scum voted for Hazel. I know I’m not scum and I don’t think Faith is scum, which leaves Sach as the most likely suspect. ---
**Author:** ![Hawkeyeop](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/958977/32.png) [@Hawkeyeop](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hawkeyeop)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2008, 6:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-solve-it-mafia-game/429636/1559 "2008-02-11T18:23:23Z")
[QUOTE=brewha] After re-reading the entire thread, it’s become quite clear to me that Rysto and Hockey Monkey are on opposite teams. I’m pretty confident the Rysto is on the town side, but if Hockey Monkey does turn up town - Rysto is scum. [/QUOTE] I actually more had that thought with Rysto and Hazel then with Rysto and Hockey. They were the two primary lurkers early and I didn’t think the scum would double up on that strategy. I just think I picked the wrong one as the scum. I, likewise, still think that one scum was advocating to not reveal the dossiers early. Now I think it was Sach and not Rysto. So, as of now, I think Rysto and Hockey are both town members who have wrongly gone after each other. ---
**Author:** ![Hockey\_Monkey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/a183cd/32.png) [@Hockey\_Monkey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hockey_Monkey)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2008, 6:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-solve-it-mafia-game/429636/1560 "2008-02-11T18:27:52Z")
Lynching me is absolutely the wrong move. I want to win this game. Let’s lynch \*\*Rysto \*\* first. I am one of 4 people who had/have 3 unique dossier items. Earlier in the game I hypothesised that those people were town. My reasons for that were that 1) I am town, and 2) the reason I thought we had more unique items was that scum also shared some but covered them up, leaving us more vulnerable if a killer showed one of those traits. I’m the only one left out of the 4 and the other three have proven to be town, so I know my theory was correct. \*\*Storyteller, ShadowFacts, and Zuma \*\* were the other three. I thought dossier revelation was good for the town, I lobbied for \*\*OAOW’s \*\* lynch as well as **Hazel’s**. I wasn’t sure about **Freudian** , but I would have moved my vote to her if necessary to make sure there was a lynch. I was livid over the No-Lynch. I have doggedly stood by my beliefs of who is scum until arguments are made to change my mind. I’m not so set that I cannot be moved. My theory on the 2 traits that were shared by 4 people each also panned out with **Freudian**. The theory was that the reason 4 people shared a trait had to be because one of the people with is was a scum who stole it. It was true of **Freudian** , but we have yet to see if either \*\*brewha \*\* or \*\*faithfool \*\* is scum. It was this theory that led me to be more trusting of Hawkeyeop (even though I didn’t say anything about it), because that trait was his public one so I know he didn’t steal it (even though he may yet still be scum). If you want to know what I’m talking about, it’s on sheet 3 of the dossier link in my signature. \*\*Rysto, \*\* on the other hand was anti- dossier reveal, lurky, and has had a scummy vote pattern, especially with the \*\*Diomedes \*\* lynch. Please vote **Rysto**. My name is \*\*Hockey Monkey \*\* and I approved this message. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-solve-it-mafia-game/429636.md?page=77) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-solve-it-mafia-game/429636.md?page=79)