# You-Solve-It Mafia Game **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [December 11, 2007, 6:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-solve-it-mafia-game/429636 "2007-12-11T18:21:39Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 81
**Author:** ![Mtgman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/b5a626/32.png) [@Mtgman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mtgman)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2008, 3:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-solve-it-mafia-game/429636/1601 "2008-02-12T15:29:17Z")
[QUOTE=Hockey Monkey] The only thing you will learn from lynching me is that I’m town, and you will be in a lynch or lose situation come Morning . :::sigh::: I hope my death post will give you the additional information you will need to find scum. [/QUOTE] Everyone gets a death post, if they want one. It’s just people killed at Night that get extra info to reveal. If you want a death post, as **Diomedes** did, you can have one. Written by yourself, or someone else. Enjoy, Steven ---
**Author:** ![Rysto](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/ecccb3/32.png) [@Rysto](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rysto)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2008, 4:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-solve-it-mafia-game/429636/1602 "2008-02-12T16:19:28Z")
[QUOTE=Hawkeyeop] Hockey Monkey once drove a VW Bug through the front door of a 7/11. OAOW shared this trait. I think we can safely say OAOW was the first killer and not Hockey. Sach was alone on the pig trait. [/QUOTE] Refresh my memory: what was the other clue from the second killer? The pig one and what? ---
**Author:** ![Hawkeyeop](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/958977/32.png) [@Hawkeyeop](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hawkeyeop)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2008, 4:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-solve-it-mafia-game/429636/1603 "2008-02-12T16:35:23Z")
[QUOTE=Rysto] Refresh my memory: what was the other clue from the second killer? The pig one and what? [/QUOTE] Nevermind, you are right. I was looking at the dossiers chart and saw one that Hockey’s shared with OAOW. I figured it was one of the first two revealed, and forgot that OAOW traits kept coming up after he was lynched. Okay lets hope you are right. unvote Sach Vote Hockey Monkey ---
**Author:** ![Hockey\_Monkey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/a183cd/32.png) [@Hockey\_Monkey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hockey_Monkey)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2008, 4:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-solve-it-mafia-game/429636/1604 "2008-02-12T16:41:07Z")
Rugger - killed by VW bug person Cookies - killed by VW bug person, Washington monument sex haver ShadowFacts - killed by cow udder eater Kat - killed by cow udder eater, VW bug driver, (Thanks! person?) Story - rabbit trainer, sicilian Hal - rabbit trainer, Gay rights zuma - rabbit trainer, soviet bomb dumper on preview, I see I’ve wasted my time. ---
**Author:** ![Hawkeyeop](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/958977/32.png) [@Hawkeyeop](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hawkeyeop)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2008, 4:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-solve-it-mafia-game/429636/1605 "2008-02-12T16:55:55Z")
[QUOTE=Hockey Monkey] Rugger - killed by VW bug person Cookies - killed by VW bug person, Washington monument sex haver ShadowFacts - killed by cow udder eater Kat - killed by cow udder eater, VW bug driver, (Thanks! person?) Story - rabbit trainer, sicilian Hal - rabbit trainer, Gay rights zuma - rabbit trainer, soviet bomb dumper on preview, I see I’ve wasted my time. [/QUOTE] So VW bug was the new trait twice? I didn’t really think I had a choice on the vote. With Sach and Faith not voting, it will be nearly impossible to get to a majority on any other candidate. ---
**Author:** ![Hockey\_Monkey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/a183cd/32.png) [@Hockey\_Monkey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hockey_Monkey)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2008, 5:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-solve-it-mafia-game/429636/1606 "2008-02-12T17:04:03Z")
Just promise to re-visit my hairbrained theories when I’m dead. I know that lynching mw is better than no lynch at all, but I’m the wrong person. Don’t make me break out the 72 point font! ---
**Author:** ![Hockey\_Monkey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/a183cd/32.png) [@Hockey\_Monkey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hockey_Monkey)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2008, 5:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-solve-it-mafia-game/429636/1607 "2008-02-12T17:09:36Z")
Unvote Rysto Vote Sachertorte because lynching him is better than a mod-kill. ---
**Author:** ![Hawkeyeop](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/958977/32.png) [@Hawkeyeop](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hawkeyeop)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2008, 5:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-solve-it-mafia-game/429636/1608 "2008-02-12T17:17:12Z")
Anyone else for Sach? I’m happy to switch back. ---
**Author:** ![sachertorte](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sachertorte/32/3727_2.png) [@sachertorte](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sachertorte)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2008, 5:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-solve-it-mafia-game/429636/1609 "2008-02-12T17:30:21Z")
[QUOTE=Hawkeyeop] One more point on Sach. His vote broke the tie between Hazel and Dio day 5. While Brewha caused the lynch, at that point, his vote was more voting Dio over a no lynch. Sach chose to put Dio on the brink of lynch rather then Hazel. [/QUOTE] The evidence against HazelNutCoffee at the time primarily consisted of Pleonast’s math analysis of voting, which I didn’t accept as a good reason to vote for HazelNutCoffee. Pleonast turned out to be correct, but I view his analysis as coincidental rather than evident of HazelNutCoffee’s alignment. I voted for Diomedes because I was more suspicious of Diomedes. That I broke the tie is a function of when I logged in to post and who voted before me. ---
**Author:** ![Hawkeyeop](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/958977/32.png) [@Hawkeyeop](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hawkeyeop)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2008, 5:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-solve-it-mafia-game/429636/1610 "2008-02-12T17:37:28Z")
[QUOTE=sachertorte] The evidence against HazelNutCoffee at the time primarily consisted of Pleonast’s math analysis of voting, which I didn’t accept as a good reason to vote for HazelNutCoffee. Pleonast turned out to be correct, but I view his analysis as coincidental rather than evident of HazelNutCoffee’s alignment. I voted for Diomedes because I was more suspicious of Diomedes. That I broke the tie is a function of when I logged in to post and who voted before me. [/QUOTE] Sach, would you like to get a vote on the record? Are you still most suspicious of Brewha? ---
**Author:** ![Pleonast](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pleonast/32/1183_2.png) [@Pleonast](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pleonast)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2008, 5:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-solve-it-mafia-game/429636/1611 "2008-02-12T17:46:28Z")
I mostly happy with my vote for **Hockey**. No one else really strikes me as more suspicious than anyone else. I’m not willing to vote for someone for one Dossier item that matches the killer. I know the match with me is a false lead. I suspect that the scum lied about their Dossier and have likely killed those of us who have not matched their Dossiers. So I’m actually slightly more suspicious of those who do not have the killer’s trait at this point in the game. For posterity, if I don’t make it through the Night, here are my gut-check assessments of everyone: Most Likely scum **Hockey** : most suspicious, based on my vote analysis. Likely scum **Rysto** : Has some opportunistic votes. Not enough to make him top of the list, but I know there’s another scum out there. **sach** : Similar to Rysto. Some votes look interesting. **Hawkeye** : has seemed pro-Town to me, but it makes me suspicious now. In the end game, have to keep an eye out for scum who’ve played an excellent game. Unlikely scum **faith** : not scummy, based on the Hal’s secret. **brewha** : least scummy. I can’t see how he could be scum, from the voting patterns. ---
**Author:** ![Hockey\_Monkey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/a183cd/32.png) [@Hockey\_Monkey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hockey_Monkey)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2008, 5:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-solve-it-mafia-game/429636/1612 "2008-02-12T17:54:29Z")
[QUOTE=Pleonast] I mostly happy with my vote for **Hockey**. No one else really strikes me as more suspicious than anyone else. I’m not willing to vote for someone for one Dossier item that matches the killer. I know the match with me is a false lead. I suspect that the scum lied about their Dossier and have likely killed those of us who have not matched their Dossiers. So I’m actually slightly more suspicious of those who do not have the killer’s trait at this point in the game. For posterity, if I don’t make it through the Night, here are my gut-check assessments of everyone: Most Likely scum **Hockey** : most suspicious, based on my vote analysis. Likely scum **Rysto** : Has some opportunistic votes. Not enough to make him top of the list, but I know there’s another scum out there. **sach** : Similar to Rysto. Some votes look interesting. **Hawkeye** : has seemed pro-Town to me, but it makes me suspicious now. In the end game, have to keep an eye out for scum who’ve played an excellent game. Unlikely scum **faith** : not scummy, based on the Hal’s secret. **brewha** : least scummy. I can’t see how he could be scum, from the voting patterns. [/QUOTE] Your vote analysis that no one can understand but you? :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![Pleonast](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pleonast/32/1183_2.png) [@Pleonast](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pleonast)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2008, 6:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-solve-it-mafia-game/429636/1613 "2008-02-12T18:10:52Z")
[QUOTE=Hockey Monkey] Your vote analysis that no one can understand but you? :rolleyes: [/QUOTE] It makes perfect sense to me. 😉 And plenty of people understood it well enough when it was **Hazel**. At least I’m trying. ---
**Author:** ![NAF1138](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naf1138/32/3245_2.png) [@NAF1138](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NAF1138)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2008, 6:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-solve-it-mafia-game/429636/1614 "2008-02-12T18:24:12Z")
Work is crazy today guys. I will do my best to keep up, but this might be the last vote count before the Day ends. Sorry. 3 - Hocky Monkey (Pleo, brewha, Hawk) 1 - Sachertorte (Hockey Monkey) It takes 4 votes to make the lynch thing happen. The day ends in about 90 minutes. (Noon my time) Go Team! ---
**Author:** ![sachertorte](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sachertorte/32/3727_2.png) [@sachertorte](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sachertorte)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2008, 6:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-solve-it-mafia-game/429636/1615 "2008-02-12T18:27:05Z")
I’ve been reading as much as I can during lunch. It seems that **Hockey Monkey** is on the brink of lynching. I’m still trying to figure out why. I haven’t been considering Hockey Monkey as potential scum for one main reason: The Dossier Spreadsheet. While I’ve argued against dossiers from the beginning and still think there is potential harm in relying on private traits to make lynch decisions, the amount of work that went into making the Dossier spreadsheet is not trivial and a pro-town action. I just don’t see scum putting that much work into it. I was slightly suspicious of Hockey Monkey when she went all out to use the dossiers to motivate her vote on Day One, but since then she hasn’t pushed that agenda and turned out to be right about **OAOW** (possibly coincidence). It’s very sucky of me to pull an eleventh hour protest of the prevailing lynch winds. I acknowledge that I’ve been a very bad player this Day. I also have a nagging feeling in the back of my head that putting a bunch of effort into something like the spreadsheet is a good way for scum to look town, especially one and done effort like the spreadsheet. But even if I accept that premise, I don’t understand the reasoning people are using to vote for Hockey Monkey. My thoughts on **brewha** are muddied at best. Before **storyteller** died, I was growing suspicious of storyteller; but my suspicion hinged on brewha being scum. When storyteller died I questioned my suspicion of brewha even though storyteller being Town didn’t necessarily make brewha Town. The same thing happened with **zuma**. I was getting more and more suspicious of zuma, but that suspicion all hinged on brewha being scum. Again, zuma being Town doesn’t necessarily make brewha Town, but the factors give me doubts about my feeling that brewha is scum. Furthermore, zuma was correct that at least one of **HazelNutCoffee** and brewha is scum. The question is: are both scum? To me the evidence against brewha includes Day 1 shenanigans (which I’m now discounting) the Day 3 no-lynch and the Day 5 Diomedes lynch. Knowing that HazelNutCoffee is scum lessens the pressure on brewha in my opinion. So who do I think is scum? **Hawkeyeop’s** attacks on me strike me as convoluted and opportunistic. More research into hawkeyeop is warranted. Since I’m not feeling the Hockey Monkey vote, and another vote on Hockey Monkey ends the Day instantly, I’ll vote for who I want in the hotseat Tomorrow: **vote hawkeyeop** ---
**Author:** ![Hawkeyeop](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/958977/32.png) [@Hawkeyeop](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hawkeyeop)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2008, 6:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-solve-it-mafia-game/429636/1616 "2008-02-12T18:27:41Z")
[QUOTE=NAF1138] Work is crazy today guys. I will do my best to keep up, but this might be the last vote count before the Day ends. Sorry. 3 - Hocky Monkey (Pleo, brewha, Hawk) 1 - Sachertorte (Hockey Monkey) It takes 4 votes to make the lynch thing happen. The day ends in about 90 minutes. (Noon my time) Go Team! [/QUOTE] \*\*Naf, I think you missed Rysto’s vote.\*\* ---
**Author:** ![sachertorte](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sachertorte/32/3727_2.png) [@sachertorte](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sachertorte)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2008, 6:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-solve-it-mafia-game/429636/1617 "2008-02-12T18:29:18Z")
Rut-roh. Did I miscount or did NAF? I think Rysto is voting for Hockey Monkey. ---
**Author:** ![Rysto](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/ecccb3/32.png) [@Rysto](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rysto)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2008, 6:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-solve-it-mafia-game/429636/1618 "2008-02-12T18:32:08Z")
NAF, you missed my vote for Hockey Monkey. She’s on the clock. ---
**Author:** ![Rysto](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/ecccb3/32.png) [@Rysto](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rysto)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2008, 6:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-solve-it-mafia-game/429636/1619 "2008-02-12T18:37:56Z")
[I voted way back in 1555, and I haven’t changed my vote since.](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=9463731&postcount=1555) ---
**Author:** ![Hockey\_Monkey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/a183cd/32.png) [@Hockey\_Monkey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hockey_Monkey)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2008, 6:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-solve-it-mafia-game/429636/1620 "2008-02-12T18:46:40Z")
Since you put in some analysis, and hawkeyeop was all itching to vote for you again when I did, Unvote sachertorte Vote Hawkeyeop My reason for doing this is a blatant attempt to save my ass because I know I’m not scum. Sach has a good reason, and I’m willing to roll with it. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-solve-it-mafia-game/429636.md?page=80) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-solve-it-mafia-game/429636.md?page=82)