# You steal a camera during MY Workshop? Fuck you, you piece of messed-up shit ! **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [July 19, 2010, 2:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-steal-a-camera-during-my-workshop-fuck-you-you-piece-of-messed-up-shit/547223 "2010-07-19T14:22:46Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 10
**Author:** ![Turek](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/turek/32/18782_2.png) [@Turek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Turek)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2010, 5:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-steal-a-camera-during-my-workshop-fuck-you-you-piece-of-messed-up-shit/547223/181 "2010-07-26T17:00:01Z")
> [@ivan\_astikov](#): > > Can I use your car? Friends don’t let friends drive stupid. ---
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2010, 5:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-steal-a-camera-during-my-workshop-fuck-you-you-piece-of-messed-up-shit/547223/182 "2010-07-26T17:17:31Z")
> [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#): > > I AM the evidence. You’ve been excluded. Case dismissed. ---
**Author:** ![ivan\_astikov](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/58f4c7/32.png) [@ivan\_astikov](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ivan_astikov)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2010, 5:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-steal-a-camera-during-my-workshop-fuck-you-you-piece-of-messed-up-shit/547223/183 "2010-07-26T17:18:25Z")
> [@Turek](#): > > > [@ivan\_astikov](#): > > > > Can I use your car? > > Friends don’t let friends drive stupid. Not even for scientific reasons? ---
**Author:** ![Shot\_From\_Guns](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ccd318/32.png) [@Shot\_From\_Guns](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shot_From_Guns)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2010, 6:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-steal-a-camera-during-my-workshop-fuck-you-you-piece-of-messed-up-shit/547223/184 "2010-07-26T18:02:47Z")
> [@PunditLisa](#): > > No, it’s more like putting a pack of ribeyes in my purse at the grocery store, only to remove them before I check out. You really think a company is going to care about whether you actually \*got away with \*the theft you intended before firing you? Or banning you, if you’re a customer instead of an employee? > [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#): > > I AM the evidence. And I AM Spartacus! ---
**Author:** ![lieu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/c2a13f/32.png) [@lieu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lieu)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2010, 6:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-steal-a-camera-during-my-workshop-fuck-you-you-piece-of-messed-up-shit/547223/185 "2010-07-26T18:09:27Z")
> [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#): > > Want to see my transcripts? What’s the fun in that? It’s way better every time **cricetus** busts you. ---
**Author:** ![BCHH](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/53a042/32.png) [@BCHH](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BCHH)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2010, 6:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-steal-a-camera-during-my-workshop-fuck-you-you-piece-of-messed-up-shit/547223/186 "2010-07-26T18:11:32Z")
> [@ivan\_astikov](#): > > And you are welcome to doubt it. Meanwhile you have 2 - yes, 2! - people telling you from their own experience that driving under the influence of pot does not inhibit driving ability in any significant manner, and your counter-experience is… what? You may have 2 - yes, 2! people saying it, you could have fifty, it still wouldn’t matter because you are _not impartial_. The pot issue aside, I may think I am a terrific driver, when I, for example, may tailgate, don’t stay in my lane, might be easily distracted, can’t park for shit, don’t signal, talk on the cell phone, etc…I cannot accurately judge my own skills, and neither can you. ---
**Author:** ![BCHH](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/53a042/32.png) [@BCHH](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BCHH)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2010, 6:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-steal-a-camera-during-my-workshop-fuck-you-you-piece-of-messed-up-shit/547223/187 "2010-07-26T18:29:28Z")
> [@ivan\_astikov](#): > > Driving once while under the influence of pot and coming back unscathed might be deemed lucky, so how many times would it have to be done to satisfy those in doubt? How many times for someone drving under the influence of alcohol? ---
**Author:** ![Shot\_From\_Guns](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ccd318/32.png) [@Shot\_From\_Guns](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shot_From_Guns)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2010, 6:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-steal-a-camera-during-my-workshop-fuck-you-you-piece-of-messed-up-shit/547223/188 "2010-07-26T18:30:16Z")
For his next trick, \*\*Dio \*\*will prove that cigarettes _don’t cause cancer_, because he had a great uncle who smoked two packs a day and lived to be 98! ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2010, 6:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-steal-a-camera-during-my-workshop-fuck-you-you-piece-of-messed-up-shit/547223/189 "2010-07-26T18:32:47Z")
Cigarettes totally cause cancer, but pot doesn’t make you drive into trees. Hasn’t anyone else here ever smoked pot? ---
**Author:** ![Shot\_From\_Guns](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ccd318/32.png) [@Shot\_From\_Guns](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shot_From_Guns)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2010, 6:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-steal-a-camera-during-my-workshop-fuck-you-you-piece-of-messed-up-shit/547223/190 "2010-07-26T18:42:21Z")
> [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#): > > Cigarettes totally cause cancer, but pot doesn’t make you drive into trees. Pot doesn’t make you drive into trees. It \*does \*fuck with your motor skills, your coordination, and your reaction times. Whether or not that results in you driving into a tree depends on (a) whether or not you decide to drive fucked up and (b) how you compensate while driving for the fact that you’re aware that you’re fucked up. The big problem everyone here is having, **Dio** , is that you’ve asserted that pot has absolutely _no effect on your ability to drive_, when the _major scientific concensus_ is that it _absolutely does_. ---
**Author:** ![Dante](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dante/32/9673_2.png) [@Dante](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dante)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2010, 6:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-steal-a-camera-during-my-workshop-fuck-you-you-piece-of-messed-up-shit/547223/191 "2010-07-26T18:45:40Z")
> [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#): > > Cigarettes totally cause cancer, but pot doesn’t make you drive into trees. Hasn’t anyone else here ever smoked pot? Doesn’t matter. Your experience is apparently the only one that counts. As usual. ---
**Author:** ![ivan\_astikov](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/58f4c7/32.png) [@ivan\_astikov](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ivan_astikov)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2010, 6:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-steal-a-camera-during-my-workshop-fuck-you-you-piece-of-messed-up-shit/547223/192 "2010-07-26T18:54:52Z")
> [@Shot\_From\_Guns](#): > > when the _major scientific concensus_ is that it _absolutely does_. Read it and weep, baby. Read it and weep for your wrongness on this one. > [@](#): > > “This program of research has shown that marijuana, when taken alone, produces a moderate degree of driving impairment which is related to the consumed THC dose. The impairment manifests itself mainly in the ability to maintain a steady lateral position on the road, but its magnitude is not exceptional in comparison with changes produced by many medicinal drugs and alcohol. Drivers under the influence of marijuana retain insight in their performance and will compensate, where they can, for example, by slowing down or increasing effort. As a consequence, THC’s adverse effects on driving performance appear relatively small.” [U.S. Department of Transportation, National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (DOT HS 808 078), Final Report, November 1993:](http://www.iowatelecom.net/~sharkhaus/driving_pot_usdot1993.html) Okay, that was from '93, but I can’t see a lot changing between then and now. ---
**Author:** ![ivan\_astikov](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/58f4c7/32.png) [@ivan\_astikov](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ivan_astikov)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2010, 7:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-steal-a-camera-during-my-workshop-fuck-you-you-piece-of-messed-up-shit/547223/193 "2010-07-26T19:02:12Z")
And right near the bottom of my link. > [@](#): > > CANBERRA TIMES 21 October 1998 p4 The largest study ever done linking road accidents with drugs and alcohol has found drivers with cannabis in their blood were no more at risk than those who were drug-free. In fact, the findings by a pharmacology team from the University of Adelaide and Transport SA showed drivers who had smoked marijuana **were marginally less likely to have an accident than those who were drug-free.** ---
**Author:** ![Shot\_From\_Guns](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ccd318/32.png) [@Shot\_From\_Guns](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shot_From_Guns)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2010, 7:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-steal-a-camera-during-my-workshop-fuck-you-you-piece-of-messed-up-shit/547223/194 "2010-07-26T19:05:44Z")
> [@ivan\_astikov](#): > > Read it and weep, baby. Read it and weep for your wrongness on this one. > > > [@](#): > > > > “This program of research has shown that marijuana, when taken alone, produces a moderate degree of driving impairment which is related to the consumed THC dose. The impairment manifests itself mainly in the ability to maintain a steady lateral position on the road, but its magnitude is not exceptional in comparison with changes produced by many medicinal drugs and alcohol. Drivers under the influence of marijuana retain insight in their performance and will compensate, where they can, for example, by slowing down or increasing effort. As a consequence, THC’s adverse effects on driving performance appear relatively small.” You realize that even the chunk you cited proves my point, right? 1.) “This program of research has shown that marijuana, when taken alone, produces a moderate degree of driving impairment which is related to the consumed THC dose.” There is impairment. 2.) “The impairment manifests itself mainly in the ability to maintain a steady lateral position on the road” It manifests in at least one measurable and demonstrable way. 3.) “Drivers under the influence of marijuana retain insight in their performance and will compensate, where they can, for example, by slowing down or increasing effort.” The fact that they’re compensating for the effects doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist; in fact, it proves it, for you can’t compensate for a nonexistent effect. You will note that I have not stated that smoking pot will make you a \*bad \*or a \*dangerous \*driver; I’ve simply asserted that it _can and does have an effect on your ability to drive_. You fucking retard. ---
**Author:** ![MsWhatsit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/eb8c5e/32.png) [@MsWhatsit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MsWhatsit)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2010, 7:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-steal-a-camera-during-my-workshop-fuck-you-you-piece-of-messed-up-shit/547223/195 "2010-07-26T19:10:23Z")
> [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#): > > Cigarettes totally cause cancer, but pot doesn’t make you drive into trees. Hasn’t anyone else here ever smoked pot? Cigarettes totally do not cause cancer. I smoked cigarettes a couple of times when I was in college. And I don’t have cancer. That’s right, I AM the evidence. Can “The Evidence” be my rapper name? I call dibs. ---
**Author:** ![Malthus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/85f322/32.png) [@Malthus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Malthus)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2010, 7:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-steal-a-camera-during-my-workshop-fuck-you-you-piece-of-messed-up-shit/547223/196 "2010-07-26T19:13:01Z")
> [@ivan\_astikov](#): > > > [@Shot\_From\_Guns](#): > > > > when the _major scientific concensus_ is that it _absolutely does_. > > Read it and weep, baby. Read it and weep for your wrongness on this one. > > > [@](#): > > > > “This program of research has shown that marijuana, when taken alone, produces a moderate degree of driving impairment which is related to the consumed THC dose. The impairment manifests itself mainly in the ability to maintain a steady lateral position on the road, but its magnitude is not exceptional in comparison with changes produced by many medicinal drugs and alcohol. Drivers under the influence of marijuana retain insight in their performance and will compensate, where they can, for example, by slowing down or increasing effort. As a consequence, THC’s adverse effects on driving performance appear relatively small.” > > [U.S. Department of Transportation, > National Highway Traffic Safety Administration > (DOT HS 808 078), Final Report, November 1993:](http://www.iowatelecom.net/~sharkhaus/driving_pot_usdot1993.html) > > Okay, that was from '93, but I can’t see a lot changing between then and now. That quote isn’t nearly the knockout blow you appear to think it is. 😉 It does accord with my (admittedly subjective) observations - that being light-to-moderately stoned isn’t as dangerous as being the same amount of drunk, because generally the light-to-moderately stoned tend to compensate for the _impairment_. That, however, acknowledges that there _is_ a degree of ‘impairment’, of course. There comes a point, as anyone who has smoked a lot of weed ought to know, where one is simply too stoned to ‘compensate’ any more. Hell, I’ve been too stoned to walk to the door, let alone drive! 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2010, 7:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-steal-a-camera-during-my-workshop-fuck-you-you-piece-of-messed-up-shit/547223/197 "2010-07-26T19:14:22Z")
> [@Shot\_From\_Guns](#): > > > [@ivan\_astikov](#): > > > > Read it and weep, baby. Read it and weep for your wrongness on this one. > > > > > [@](#): > > > > > > “This program of research has shown that marijuana, when taken alone, produces a moderate degree of driving impairment which is related to the consumed THC dose. The impairment manifests itself mainly in the ability to maintain a steady lateral position on the road, but its magnitude is not exceptional in comparison with changes produced by many medicinal drugs and alcohol. Drivers under the influence of marijuana retain insight in their performance and will compensate, where they can, for example, by slowing down or increasing effort. As a consequence, THC’s adverse effects on driving performance appear relatively small.” > > You realize that even the chunk you cited proves my point, right? > 1.) “This program of research has shown that marijuana, when taken alone, produces a moderate degree of driving impairment which is related to the consumed THC dose.” There is impairment. > 2.) “The impairment manifests itself mainly in the ability to maintain a steady lateral position on the road” It manifests in at least one measurable and demonstrable way. > 3.) “Drivers under the influence of marijuana retain insight in their performance and will compensate, where they can, for example, by slowing down or increasing effort.” The fact that they’re compensating for the effects doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist; in fact, it proves it, for you can’t compensate for a nonexistent effect. > > You will note that I have not stated that smoking pot will make you a \*bad \*or a \*dangerous \*driver; I’ve simply asserted that it _can and does have an effect on your ability to drive_. Except it really doesn’t because the “impairment” is not significant enough to make accidents any more likely. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2010, 7:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-steal-a-camera-during-my-workshop-fuck-you-you-piece-of-messed-up-shit/547223/198 "2010-07-26T19:16:02Z")
> [@MsWhatsit](#): > > > [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#): > > > > Cigarettes totally cause cancer, but pot doesn’t make you drive into trees. Hasn’t anyone else here ever smoked pot? > > Cigarettes totally do not cause cancer. I smoked cigarettes a couple of times when I was in college. And I don’t have cancer. > > That’s right, I AM the evidence. > > Can “The Evidence” be my rapper name? I call dibs. What do you say to all the studies that show that stoned driving does not have any more likelihood than average of causing an accident? There is a great deal of evidence that smoking causes cancer. There is NO evidence that driving stoned causes car accidents. ---
**Author:** ![ivan\_astikov](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/58f4c7/32.png) [@ivan\_astikov](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ivan_astikov)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2010, 7:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-steal-a-camera-during-my-workshop-fuck-you-you-piece-of-messed-up-shit/547223/199 "2010-07-26T19:16:29Z")
> [@Shot\_From\_Guns](#): > > You will note that I have not stated that smoking pot will make you a \*bad \*or a \*dangerous \*driver; I’ve simply asserted that it _can and does have an effect on your ability to drive_. > > You fucking retard. Yes, it does have an effect, as noticed by the Australians 5 years later. It makes drivers slightly safer than non-drug users. You senseless fucking witch. ---
**Author:** ![Shot\_From\_Guns](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ccd318/32.png) [@Shot\_From\_Guns](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shot_From_Guns)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2010, 7:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-steal-a-camera-during-my-workshop-fuck-you-you-piece-of-messed-up-shit/547223/200 "2010-07-26T19:17:03Z")
> [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#): > > Except it really doesn’t because the “impairment” is not significant enough to make accidents any more likely. It doesn’t matter if it makes them more likely–the point is that there IS an effect. It doesn’t matter if it’s a good effect, or a bad effect, or a bad effect that can be compensated for (and often is)–IT’S A FUCKING EFFECT. Honestly, why do you even keep posting here, if you just keep pulling this “I am my own cite” bullshit? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-steal-a-camera-during-my-workshop-fuck-you-you-piece-of-messed-up-shit/547223.md?page=9) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-steal-a-camera-during-my-workshop-fuck-you-you-piece-of-messed-up-shit/547223.md?page=11)