# You steal a camera during MY Workshop? Fuck you, you piece of messed-up shit ! **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [July 19, 2010, 2:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-steal-a-camera-during-my-workshop-fuck-you-you-piece-of-messed-up-shit/547223 "2010-07-19T14:22:46Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 13
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2010, 2:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-steal-a-camera-during-my-workshop-fuck-you-you-piece-of-messed-up-shit/547223/241 "2010-07-27T02:35:49Z")
Excuse me, but read the fucking cites, They ALL say that whatever impairment is caused by pot does NOT result in any higher incidents of accidents. Does NOT. ---
**Author:** ![billfish678](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7bcc69/32.png) [@billfish678](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/billfish678)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2010, 2:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-steal-a-camera-during-my-workshop-fuck-you-you-piece-of-messed-up-shit/547223/242 "2010-07-27T02:37:43Z")
> [@Guinastasia](#): > > [ > So you admit that you’ve driven while you were drunk, but people who smoke pot (even if they don’t drive while high) are somehow stupid? Mmmmkay. > :rolleyes: . [/QUOTE] Did I SAY I DROVE when drunk? I said I realized I was impaired when buzzed. Hence, I don’t do dangerous things when so, like driving or operating chainsaws. You how people get drunk and decide dangerous shit is a good idea? I get buzzed and realize that anything more than walking or sitting around is probably a bad idea exactly because of my impairment. ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2010, 3:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-steal-a-camera-during-my-workshop-fuck-you-you-piece-of-messed-up-shit/547223/243 "2010-07-27T03:13:05Z")
I see I read your post wrong – I thought you said you were being careful while DRIVING, but I was wrong. I appologize. **Dio**? What I said stands. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2010, 3:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-steal-a-camera-during-my-workshop-fuck-you-you-piece-of-messed-up-shit/547223/244 "2010-07-27T03:15:50Z")
No it doesn’t. It stands refuted by the cites in this thread. ---
**Author:** ![Dante](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dante/32/9673_2.png) [@Dante](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dante)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2010, 4:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-steal-a-camera-during-my-workshop-fuck-you-you-piece-of-messed-up-shit/547223/245 "2010-07-27T04:14:01Z")
> [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#): > > > [@Dante](#): > > > > > [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#): > > > > > > Stoned people cause slightly fewer accidents than people on _no drugs at all_. They aren’t just safer than drunks, they’re marginally safer than people who aren’t on _anything_. > > > > That doesn’t really jibe with your claim in post #17 that marijuana has no effect on one’s cognitive skills or gross and fine motor skills. Please to explain? > > How doesn’t it jibe? Well, **MTCicero** said: > [@MTCicero](#): > > True, it doesn’t affect you in the same exact way that alcohol does, but pot certainly does affect one’s cognitive abilities and fine and gross motor skills. To which you replied > [@Diogenes The Cynic](#): > > No it doesn’t. I take that to mean that you do not believe that pot affects one’s cognitive abilities and fine and gross motor skills. Jump in if I’ve misunderstood that exchange. However, in post #206, you assert that > [@Diogenes The Cynic](#): > > Stoned people cause slightly fewer accidents than people on no drugs at all. They aren’t just safer than drunks, they’re marginally safer than people who aren’t on anything. But since the drivers are not accounting for any impairment of cognitive or motor skills, which we now know do not exist ([cite](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12727653&postcount=174)), what is making the stoned drivers safer, and why do you agree with it? ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2010, 4:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-steal-a-camera-during-my-workshop-fuck-you-you-piece-of-messed-up-shit/547223/246 "2010-07-27T04:27:52Z")
They’re being more careful. Any change in cognition is fully compensated for, ergo, no meaningful “impairment” in the actual ability to perform the task. ---
**Author:** ![JThunder](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/e95f7d/32.png) [@JThunder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JThunder)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2010, 5:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-steal-a-camera-during-my-workshop-fuck-you-you-piece-of-messed-up-shit/547223/247 "2010-07-27T05:35:51Z")
Folks, I agree that this thread is worth bookmarking. People should refer to it the next time **Diogenes** lauds his own intelligence. It’s also worth referencing the next time a doper expresses admiration for knowledge and supposed scholarship. ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2010, 5:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-steal-a-camera-during-my-workshop-fuck-you-you-piece-of-messed-up-shit/547223/248 "2010-07-27T05:49:59Z")
I’d start a thread against **Dio** , but quite frankly, I don’t feel like searching out all those threads where “his experience = fact” ---
**Author:** ![PlainJain](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/5daacb/32.png) [@PlainJain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PlainJain)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2010, 6:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-steal-a-camera-during-my-workshop-fuck-you-you-piece-of-messed-up-shit/547223/249 "2010-07-27T06:32:22Z")
> [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#): > > I AM the evidence. > [@Guinastasia](#): > > I’d start a thread against **Dio** , but quite frankly, I don’t feel like searching out all those threads where “his experience = fact” It’s a tribute to his continued and sophisticated trollery. ---
**Author:** ![Dante](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dante/32/9673_2.png) [@Dante](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dante)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2010, 10:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-steal-a-camera-during-my-workshop-fuck-you-you-piece-of-messed-up-shit/547223/250 "2010-07-27T10:37:18Z")
> [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#): > > They’re being more careful. Any change in cognition is fully compensated for, ergo, no meaningful “impairment” in the actual ability to perform the task. You seem to be under the misapprehension that I’m talking about the results of the driving test. I’m not. I’m taking issue with your claim that marijuana does not affect one’s cognitive skills. Are you now saying that marijuana does affect one’s cognition? ---
**Author:** ![ivan\_astikov](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/58f4c7/32.png) [@ivan\_astikov](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ivan_astikov)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2010, 10:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-steal-a-camera-during-my-workshop-fuck-you-you-piece-of-messed-up-shit/547223/251 "2010-07-27T10:42:09Z")
Of course it affects one’s cognition; we wouldn’t fucking buy it otherwise! What we are saying is that it doesn’t affect driving ability in any way that should legislated, if it can’t be proven to be a factor in accidents. Well, that’s what I’m saying, anyway. ---
**Author:** ![EddyTeddyFreddy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eddyteddyfreddy/32/18796_2.png) [@EddyTeddyFreddy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EddyTeddyFreddy)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2010, 1:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-steal-a-camera-during-my-workshop-fuck-you-you-piece-of-messed-up-shit/547223/252 "2010-07-27T13:57:34Z")
> [@Una\_Persson](#): > > Truly a thread worth bookmarking. No kidding. I haven’t been to the Dope for a couple of months; come back, click into this – and it’s (a) just as it ever was, (b) got some very funny shit, especially the stuff that was said seriously, and (c) a good reminder why I haven’t been to the Dope for a couple of months. Oy. ---
**Author:** ![MsWhatsit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/eb8c5e/32.png) [@MsWhatsit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MsWhatsit)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2010, 2:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-steal-a-camera-during-my-workshop-fuck-you-you-piece-of-messed-up-shit/547223/253 "2010-07-27T14:00:23Z")
Hi, I’m just checking in to say that every time I think about, “I AM the evidence,” it sends me into fresh gales of giggles. This is the gift that keeps on giving. ---
**Author:** ![Shot\_From\_Guns](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ccd318/32.png) [@Shot\_From\_Guns](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shot_From_Guns)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2010, 2:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-steal-a-camera-during-my-workshop-fuck-you-you-piece-of-messed-up-shit/547223/254 "2010-07-27T14:35:15Z")
> [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#): > > Once again, this is a content-free post, devoid of any substantive rebuttal. You should at least try to mix in some actual arguments with the _ad hominems_ once in a while. In this case, **Dio** , your amazing ability to shut out everything but what you want to hear \*is \*the topic. > [@Dante](#): > > > [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#): > > > > They’re being more careful. Any change in cognition is fully compensated for, ergo, no meaningful “impairment” in the actual ability to perform the task. > > You seem to be under the misapprehension that I’m talking about the results of the driving test. I’m not. I’m taking issue with your claim that marijuana does not affect one’s cognitive skills. Are you now saying that marijuana does affect one’s cognition? This is his personal strawman for the thread. He can’t seem to wrap his tiny little mind around the idea that “no increased risk of driving accidents due to smoking pot (because the drivers compensate or just don’t drive)” is \*not \*the equivalent of “smoking marijuana has no impact on your cognition, motor skills, or reaction time.” So he keeps pointing at \*the same study that disproves his point \*(i.e., it \*explicitly says that pot \*\*does \*_affect these things_) as evidence that he’s right, because he’s just not listening to anyone else, \*so \*caught up is he in the idea that every post here is some kind of personal attack on him for smoking pot. You know, as opposed to being an attack on him for being retarded enough to assert that pot “doesn’t” “affect one’s cognitive abilities and fine and gross motor skills.” ---
**Author:** ![Dante](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dante/32/9673_2.png) [@Dante](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dante)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2010, 2:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-steal-a-camera-during-my-workshop-fuck-you-you-piece-of-messed-up-shit/547223/255 "2010-07-27T14:35:49Z")
> [@MsWhatsit](#): > > Hi, I’m just checking in to say that every time I think about, “I AM the evidence,” it sends me into fresh gales of giggles. This is the gift that keeps on giving. Yeah, I was totally high last night and I came up with a new cop buddy show called Jersey Dope. It would star Mike “The Situation” Sorrentino and Diogenes “The Evidence” the Cynic. The Situation would walk around shirtless giving everyone chlamydia, and the whole show could be action-oriented, because they would never have to go to trial. At the end, Diogenes would just put on his sunglasses and say “I AM The Evidence…”, and the perp would go straight to jail. Then we fade to black and cue the music. But not that song from The Who. I can’t afford the rights to that. Something more appropriate. Calliope music or something. I’m totally shopping it around. ---
**Author:** ![WordMan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/e8c25b/32.png) [@WordMan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WordMan)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2010, 3:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-steal-a-camera-during-my-workshop-fuck-you-you-piece-of-messed-up-shit/547223/256 "2010-07-27T15:02:27Z")
> [@Dante](#): > > > [@MsWhatsit](#): > > > > Hi, I’m just checking in to say that every time I think about, “I AM the evidence,” it sends me into fresh gales of giggles. This is the gift that keeps on giving. > > Yeah, I was totally high last night and I came up with a new cop buddy show called Jersey Dope. > > It would star Mike “The Situation” Sorrentino and Diogenes “The Evidence” the Cynic. The Situation would walk around shirtless giving everyone chlamydia, and the whole show could be action-oriented, because they would never have to go to trial. At the end, Diogenes would just put on his sunglasses and say “I AM The Evidence…”, and the perp would go straight to jail. Then we fade to black and cue the music. But not that song from The Who. I can’t afford the rights to that. Something more appropriate. Calliope music or something. > > I’m totally shopping it around. For the win. ---
**Author:** ![Crotalus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crotalus/32/41_2.png) [@Crotalus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Crotalus)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2010, 3:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-steal-a-camera-during-my-workshop-fuck-you-you-piece-of-messed-up-shit/547223/257 "2010-07-27T15:13:37Z")
> [@Dante](#): > > > [@MsWhatsit](#): > > > > Hi, I’m just checking in to say that every time I think about, “I AM the evidence,” it sends me into fresh gales of giggles. This is the gift that keeps on giving. > > Yeah, I was totally high last night and I came up with a new cop buddy show called Jersey Dope. > > It would star Mike “The Situation” Sorrentino and Diogenes “The Evidence” the Cynic. The Situation would walk around shirtless giving everyone chlamydia, and the whole show could be action-oriented, because they would never have to go to trial. At the end, Diogenes would just put on his sunglasses and say “I AM The Evidence…”, and the perp would go straight to jail. Then we fade to black and cue the music. But not that song from The Who. I can’t afford the rights to that. Something more appropriate. Calliope music or something. > > I’m totally shopping it around. Genius! ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2010, 3:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-steal-a-camera-during-my-workshop-fuck-you-you-piece-of-messed-up-shit/547223/258 "2010-07-27T15:42:40Z")
Yes, it _affects_ cognition, but that’s not the same as _impairing_ it. Since it does not impair the ability to perform tasks, I don’t see how it can be said to impair cognition. I would argue that it _enhances_ cognition. You guys sound like you believe everything you saw in those videos that your health teachers showed you in 8th grade. Do you also think that people who smoke pot “freak out” and jump off buildings thinking they can fly? I bet you do. Anyone who’s actually been a chronic stoner or been around them knows that being stoned has no more effect on their driving ability than a cup of coffee. I’ve even driven on acid. No problems at all except I had to keep reminding myself that I was really driving and I wasn’t in a video game. ---
**Author:** ![MsWhatsit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/eb8c5e/32.png) [@MsWhatsit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MsWhatsit)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2010, 4:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-steal-a-camera-during-my-workshop-fuck-you-you-piece-of-messed-up-shit/547223/259 "2010-07-27T16:03:42Z")
OK, now he’s just fucking with us. ---
**Author:** ![Fuji](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/a9a28c/32.png) [@Fuji](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fuji)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2010, 4:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-steal-a-camera-during-my-workshop-fuck-you-you-piece-of-messed-up-shit/547223/260 "2010-07-27T16:14:23Z")
> [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#): > > Anyone who’s actually been a chronic stoner or been around them knows that being stoned has no more effect on their driving ability than a cup of coffee. :dubious: > [@magellan01](#): > > Pot can and does definitely inhibit performance. > [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > I’ve definitely been too stoned to think. > [@pulykamell](#): > > You definitely would not want to be with me in a car if I were high. The one time I drove stoned–just to back the car out of the driveway to let someone out–I had to ask someone else to finish doing it, because I just did not have the spatial awareness to accomplish the task. > [@Fuji](#): > > I have plenty of past experience with cannabis and with driving, and I never had an accident while driving stoned. > > On the other hand, I also know that, in my experience, smoking weed certainly did impair my ability to drive a car. > [@Inigo\_Montoya](#): > > Ok, my post as my cite. From my limited use of medical grade pot: > **Hit #1** : nothing > **Hit #2** : buzzed, a little dizzy > **Hit #3** : high, I really like colored lights, have to concentrate in order to walk, I won’t remember this tomorrow > **Hit #4** : Fucked up, can’t walk in a straight line, can’t pour water into a glass without considerable effort, TV seems to be in half-second stop action, can’t follow a movie anyway, don’t remember anything from 15 minutes ago. > [@Frank](#): > > The idea that being high does not interfere with driving is bullshit. > [@Freudian\_Slit](#): > > This was pretty much my whole reaction, too. > [@Malthus](#): > > There comes a point, as anyone who has smoked a lot of weed ought to know, where one is simply too stoned to ‘compensate’ any more. Hell, I’ve been too stoned to walk to the door, let alone drive! 😃 > [@Larry\_Mudd](#): > > “There is no impairment while driving under the influence of cannabis” is an indefensibly stupid position to take. Shut the fuck up. Honestly. For those of you playing along at home… My prediction is that Dio’s next weasel move will be to quibble over his use of the qualifier “chronic”. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-steal-a-camera-during-my-workshop-fuck-you-you-piece-of-messed-up-shit/547223.md?page=12) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-steal-a-camera-during-my-workshop-fuck-you-you-piece-of-messed-up-shit/547223.md?page=14)