# You steal a camera during MY Workshop? Fuck you, you piece of messed-up shit ! **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [July 19, 2010, 2:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-steal-a-camera-during-my-workshop-fuck-you-you-piece-of-messed-up-shit/547223 "2010-07-19T14:22:46Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Tully\_Mars](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/7ab992/32.png) [@Tully\_Mars](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tully_Mars)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2010, 4:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-steal-a-camera-during-my-workshop-fuck-you-you-piece-of-messed-up-shit/547223/21 "2010-07-19T16:25:23Z")
> [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#): > > Drunk is not the same as baked. The comparison is not valid. I was stoned in 90% of my college classes and got straight A’s. That explains soooooo much. ---
**Author:** ![Cat\_Whisperer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cat_whisperer/32/4839_2.png) [@Cat\_Whisperer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cat_Whisperer)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2010, 4:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-steal-a-camera-during-my-workshop-fuck-you-you-piece-of-messed-up-shit/547223/22 "2010-07-19T16:51:48Z")
> [@MsWhatsit](#): > > Who cares? If you want to make a point about marijuana not impairing cognitive abilities, then go find a cite. (Hint: One exists.) This bullshit “no it doesn’t” “I’m a pothead so I know what I’m talking about” “no it doesn’t” “you’re wrong” crap is what turns your threads into the Dio Show. Either back up your opinion with facts, or STFU. On a message board supposedly dedicating to fighting ignorance, coming in to a thread and making an argument consisting of, “I’m right you’re wrong, I just am and you have to accept it, I’m right right right and you’re wrong wrong wrong” is pretty sad. Hah - I was just going to post, “Can we not turn this thread into another episode of The Diogenes Show?” 😃 Sorry about your workshop, **Cartooniverse**. Here’s hoping that one idiot won’t besmirch your good name. ---
**Author:** ![Enderw24](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/ba9def/32.png) [@Enderw24](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Enderw24)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2010, 4:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-steal-a-camera-during-my-workshop-fuck-you-you-piece-of-messed-up-shit/547223/23 "2010-07-19T16:55:47Z")
> [@MTCicero](#): > > That’s just a load of self-serving pothead twaddle. > > True, it doesn’t affect you in the same exact way that alcohol does, but pot certainly _does_ affect one’s cognitive abilities and fine and gross motor skills. > [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#): > > No it doesn’t. Are you high? ---
**Author:** ![JThunder](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/e95f7d/32.png) [@JThunder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JThunder)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2010, 4:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-steal-a-camera-during-my-workshop-fuck-you-you-piece-of-messed-up-shit/547223/24 "2010-07-19T16:57:24Z")
> [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#): > > I haven’t smoked pot in years, but if someone wants to claim that marijuana impares cognition and motor skills, that’s the person who needs to bring the cite, not me. That would be fine if you made no claim whatsoever. That’s not the case, though. You likewise made a claim – namely, that marijuana does not affect one’s cognitive abilities or motor skills. You made that claim, so it’s just as fair to ask you to defend it. As **MsWhatsit** said though, you continually hold yourself to a much lower standard. “I’m right because I say so” is not a valid form of argumentation. ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2010, 5:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-steal-a-camera-during-my-workshop-fuck-you-you-piece-of-messed-up-shit/547223/25 "2010-07-19T17:05:29Z")
> [@minor7flat5](#): > > I’m not following the evidence well… > > When you say “But surveillance cameras? They really don’t lie, now do they ?” do you mean that you were shown video that showed the accused in the act? > > If not, it still does sound pretty suspicious that the camera was found by the guy. However, I would be wondering who had control over those trash bins. It isn’t too unusual for workers to put stuff in the trash and then retrieve their loot when they take the trash out to the dumpster. > > Considering that you were guests, it doesn’t seem plausible that a thief in your group would use the garbage route for their crime. I assume you feel he tossed it in the bin minutes before “finding” it? > Was he unobserved long enough to have done this once the heat was on? My guess? He “found” it in the bin by diving down head-first, taking it out from under his jacket, and putting it there. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2010, 5:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-steal-a-camera-during-my-workshop-fuck-you-you-piece-of-messed-up-shit/547223/26 "2010-07-19T17:28:03Z")
> [@JThunder](#): > > . “I’m right because I say so” is not a valid form of argumentation. \ Yes it is. \ ---
**Author:** ![cosmosdan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/a6a055/32.png) [@cosmosdan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cosmosdan)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2010, 5:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-steal-a-camera-during-my-workshop-fuck-you-you-piece-of-messed-up-shit/547223/27 "2010-07-19T17:36:48Z")
> [@kaylasdad99](#): > > My guess? He “found” it in the bin by diving down head-first, taking it out from under his jacket, and putting it there. That’s my guess. He was hoping it wouldn’t be noticed until after it was over and he was gone. When he realsized he could easily be discoverd he “found” it. ---
**Author:** ![cosmosdan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/a6a055/32.png) [@cosmosdan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cosmosdan)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2010, 5:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-steal-a-camera-during-my-workshop-fuck-you-you-piece-of-messed-up-shit/547223/28 "2010-07-19T17:37:49Z")
> [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > \ Yes it is. \ NO IT ISN"T ding Sorry times up. A classic. ---
**Author:** ![BleizDu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/9dc877/32.png) [@BleizDu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BleizDu)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2010, 5:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-steal-a-camera-during-my-workshop-fuck-you-you-piece-of-messed-up-shit/547223/29 "2010-07-19T17:59:28Z")
> [@minor7flat5](#): > > I’m not following the evidence well… > > When you say “But surveillance cameras? They really don’t lie, now do they ?” do you mean that you were shown video that showed the accused in the act? > > If not, it still does sound pretty suspicious that the camera was found by the guy. However, I would be wondering who had control over those trash bins. It isn’t too unusual for workers to put stuff in the trash and then retrieve their loot when they take the trash out to the dumpster. Yeah I’m having trouble following what happened too. So, the people owning the camera saw through the surveillance cams that stoner-guy did it, but since he brought it back, they decided to play it like he hadn’t stole it to avoid to embarass him (maybe?)? ---
**Author:** ![Jackmannii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackmannii/32/311_2.png) [@Jackmannii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackmannii)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2010, 6:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-steal-a-camera-during-my-workshop-fuck-you-you-piece-of-messed-up-shit/547223/30 "2010-07-19T18:02:55Z")
> [@MTCicero](#): > > True, it doesn’t affect you in the same exact way that alcohol does, but pot certainly does affect one’s cognitive abilities and fine and gross motor skills. > [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#): > > No it doesn’t. I’ll also have to go with “self-serving pothead twaddle”. There’s a goodly amount of [research](http://jama.ama-assn.org/cgi/content/abstract/275/7/521)that’s been done on the question of pot use and cognitive impairment, and [it does not support your anecdote-based claim](http://www.nida.nih.gov/researchreports/marijuana/marijuana4.html). And if you truly wouldn’t care if your doctor was stoned, you’re an idiot. Having a family doctor high on pot wouldn’t pose as immediate a threat as being operated on by a stoned brain surgeon, but some dire things could happen if your doc took a flawed history under the influence, ordered inappropriate tests and prescribed you the wrong drugs. State medical boards do not grant exemption from sanctions if one’s drug of abuse is marijuana, nor should they. ---
**Author:** ![ivan\_astikov](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/58f4c7/32.png) [@ivan\_astikov](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ivan_astikov)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2010, 6:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-steal-a-camera-during-my-workshop-fuck-you-you-piece-of-messed-up-shit/547223/31 "2010-07-19T18:10:26Z")
> [@Lazz](#): > > Yeah I’m having trouble following what happened too. So, the people owning the camera saw through the surveillance cams that stoner-guy did it, but since he brought it back, they decided to play it like he hadn’t stole it to avoid to embarass him (maybe?)? And me makes three. If **Cartooniverse** has seen video footage of aforementioned junkie-toerag’s thieving exploits, he’s entitled to his rant. ---
**Author:** ![magellan01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@magellan01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/magellan01)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2010, 6:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-steal-a-camera-during-my-workshop-fuck-you-you-piece-of-messed-up-shit/547223/32 "2010-07-19T18:20:39Z")
> [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#): > > No it doesn’t. Oh, please. Don’t do this again. You make a statement which is true in some hyperbolic sense, but then when called on you draw a fjord in the sand and refuse to give an inch. The TRUTH is that one might be able to function pretty well after smoking pot. BUt it depends both on the quality and quantity. I haven’t smoked pot for years and years, but I know damn well that it can bake your brain. I remember sitting on a couch trying hard to recollect the steps necessary to stand up. Also, a lot of my friends liked to smoke pot when we skied. But I hated it. I was really into skiing and pushing myself in some gnarly areas—off cornices and out of bounds—and being high simply interfered with that. Now those are FACTS. So, just smoke a bowl and ease up. Pot can and does definitely inhibit performance. ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2010, 6:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-steal-a-camera-during-my-workshop-fuck-you-you-piece-of-messed-up-shit/547223/33 "2010-07-19T18:25:58Z")
> [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#): > > I haven’t smoked pot in years, but if someone wants to claim that marijuana impares cognition and motor skills, that’s the person who needs to bring the cite, not me. Look, I can’t help it if you buy the cheap stuff that doesn’t really get you stoned. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Baal\_Houtham](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/baal_houtham/32/13604_2.png) [@Baal\_Houtham](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Baal_Houtham)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2010, 6:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-steal-a-camera-during-my-workshop-fuck-you-you-piece-of-messed-up-shit/547223/34 "2010-07-19T18:26:11Z")
Me also too. Was there video footage showing the theft, or is the OP just assuming that the person who “found” it was the thief? That assumption would represent the most probable scenario, but not any sort of certainty. ---
**Author:** ![mhendo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mhendo/32/3159_2.png) [@mhendo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mhendo)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2010, 6:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-steal-a-camera-during-my-workshop-fuck-you-you-piece-of-messed-up-shit/547223/35 "2010-07-19T18:35:52Z")
> [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#): > > I haven’t smoked pot in years, but if someone wants to claim that marijuana impares cognition and motor skills, that’s the person who needs to bring the cite, not me. > [@](#): > > In conclusion, the regular marijuana users in our study > showed cognitive impairment in the maze task and in the > WCST on 17mg THC, with evidence also of increased risk-taking > in the gambling task and effect on heartrate measures. > In addition, the results show attentional impairment albeit less > severe, in subects using 13mg THC, thus suggesting a dose– > response effect, and indicate the possibility of residual cognitive > impairment up to 3h after smoking 17mg THC. It seems that > smoking a cigarette containing doses in the range 13–17mg > THC caused cognitive and motor impairment in this small > group of regular users of marijuana, despite the tolerance > they have developed to the drug. **This evidence is compatible > with previous studies showing impaired cognitive function in > regular users of marijuana.** > > Weinstein et al, “A Study Investigating the Acute Dose-response Effects of 13 Mg and 17 Mg Δ 9- Tetrahydrocannabinol on Cognitive-motor Skills, Subjective and Autonomic Measures in Regular Users of Marijuana,” _Journal of Psychopharmacology_, Vol. 22 Issue 4, June 2008, 441-451. This article comes from a subscription database of medical literature. A quick read through the conclusions and/or the abstracts of a few other papers suggests that, while marijuana (or, to be more precise, the THC in marijuana) can and does impair cognitive and motor skills in most users, there are some users who show little or no effect from using the drug. This is generally explained by a combination of genetic predisposition (i.e., some people seem to have a sort of natural resistance to the effects) and accumulated tolerance (i.e., some people who smoke a lot can build up their tolerance for it, and avoid some of the worst effects). Obviously, as the above-cited study and other similar studies demonstrate, the strength of the weed (its THC content) plays a role in levels of impairment, and in how long this impairment lasts. I’m not trying to make an argument for or against weed here. I don’t use it myself, but i know plenty of people who do, and i have no problem with people who use it. I have a medical marijuana dispensary within a couple of blocks of my house, and i think that’s excellent. I’m also hoping California passes Prop 19 and legalizes the stuff in November. But a blanket statement that it doesn’t impair cognitive or motor function is simply unsupported by the recent medical literature. ---
**Author:** ![billfish678](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7bcc69/32.png) [@billfish678](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/billfish678)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2010, 6:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-steal-a-camera-during-my-workshop-fuck-you-you-piece-of-messed-up-shit/547223/36 "2010-07-19T18:46:25Z")
> [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#): > > Do you actually have proof that he stole the camera, or is that just an assumption you made because he smokes pot? > > It sounds like you’re profiling pot smokers. A criminals a criminal. ---
**Author:** ![magellan01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@magellan01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/magellan01)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2010, 7:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-steal-a-camera-during-my-workshop-fuck-you-you-piece-of-messed-up-shit/547223/37 "2010-07-19T19:10:23Z")
> [@RTFirefly](#): > > Look, I can’t help it if you buy the cheap stuff that doesn’t really get you stoned. 😃 But was it weak pot, or weak school? 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2010, 7:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-steal-a-camera-during-my-workshop-fuck-you-you-piece-of-messed-up-shit/547223/38 "2010-07-19T19:40:59Z")
> [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#): > > No it doesn’t. That depends on how wasted you are. I’ve definitely been too stoned to think. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2010, 7:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-steal-a-camera-during-my-workshop-fuck-you-you-piece-of-messed-up-shit/547223/39 "2010-07-19T19:47:42Z")
Are the effects of habitual marijuana use any worse than the effects of habitual alcohol use? ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2010, 7:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-steal-a-camera-during-my-workshop-fuck-you-you-piece-of-messed-up-shit/547223/40 "2010-07-19T19:49:07Z")
> [@mhendo](#): > > This article comes from a subscription database of medical literature. > > A quick read through the conclusions and/or the abstracts of a few other papers suggests that, while marijuana (or, to be more precise, the THC in marijuana) can and does impair cognitive and motor skills in most users, there are some users who show little or no effect from using the drug. This is generally explained by a combination of genetic predisposition (i.e., some people seem to have a sort of natural resistance to the effects) and accumulated tolerance (i.e., some people who smoke a lot can build up their tolerance for it, and avoid some of the worst effects). > > Obviously, as the above-cited study and other similar studies demonstrate, the strength of the weed (its THC content) plays a role in levels of impairment, and in how long this impairment lasts. > > I’m not trying to make an argument for or against weed here. I don’t use it myself, but i know plenty of people who do, and i have no problem with people who use it. I have a medical marijuana dispensary within a couple of blocks of my house, and i think that’s excellent. I’m also hoping California passes Prop 19 and legalizes the stuff in November. But a blanket statement that it doesn’t impair cognitive or motor function is simply unsupported by the recent medical literature. Thanks for the cite. I am one of those people who never seemed to suffer any impairment. My friends would often comment on it a lot that I seemed more straight when I was stoned than when I wasn’t (I’m naturally kind of a space case. Pot actually seemed to clear me up and help me concentrate). I still maintain that whatever imparment occurs is still pretty negligable even for those more susceptable to it, and anyone who’s ever been a stoner or around stoners knows that it’s not even close to the same kind of impairment as being drunk. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-steal-a-camera-during-my-workshop-fuck-you-you-piece-of-messed-up-shit/547223.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-steal-a-camera-during-my-workshop-fuck-you-you-piece-of-messed-up-shit/547223.md?page=3)