# You steal a camera during MY Workshop? Fuck you, you piece of messed-up shit ! **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [July 19, 2010, 2:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-steal-a-camera-during-my-workshop-fuck-you-you-piece-of-messed-up-shit/547223 "2010-07-19T14:22:46Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![needscoffee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/needscoffee/32/1076_2.png) [@needscoffee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/needscoffee)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2010, 7:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-steal-a-camera-during-my-workshop-fuck-you-you-piece-of-messed-up-shit/547223/41 "2010-07-19T19:51:25Z")
> [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#): > > I haven’t smoked pot in years, but if someone wants to claim that marijuana impares cognition and motor skills, that’s the person who needs to bring the cite, not me. Would you let your kids in the car of a driver who was stoned? ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2010, 7:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-steal-a-camera-during-my-workshop-fuck-you-you-piece-of-messed-up-shit/547223/42 "2010-07-19T19:52:55Z")
> [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > Are the effects of habitual marijuana use any worse than the effects of habitual alcohol use? The effects of chronic alcohol abuse are much, much, MUCH worse than for chronic chronic use. Pot doesn’t pickle your brain and destroy your liver. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2010, 7:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-steal-a-camera-during-my-workshop-fuck-you-you-piece-of-messed-up-shit/547223/43 "2010-07-19T19:53:59Z")
> [@needscoffee](#): > > Would you let your kids in the car of a driver who was stoned? Sure. Studies show that pot does not impair driving. ---
**Author:** ![Mr.Excellent](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f19dbf/32.png) [@Mr.Excellent](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.Excellent)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2010, 7:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-steal-a-camera-during-my-workshop-fuck-you-you-piece-of-messed-up-shit/547223/44 "2010-07-19T19:58:25Z")
> [@billfish678](#): > > A criminals a criminal. Oh, come on. Comparing a man who smokes a joint in the privacy of his own home to a thief is absurd. If my neighbor blazes up, that’s his call - it doesn’t harm me at all. If he steals from me, I’m most certainly harmed. ---
**Author:** ![JThunder](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/e95f7d/32.png) [@JThunder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JThunder)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2010, 7:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-steal-a-camera-during-my-workshop-fuck-you-you-piece-of-messed-up-shit/547223/45 "2010-07-19T19:59:34Z")
> [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#): > > Sure. Studies show that pot does not impair driving. Not at all? No impairment whatsoever? Cite, please? ---
**Author:** ![Mr.Excellent](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f19dbf/32.png) [@Mr.Excellent](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.Excellent)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2010, 8:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-steal-a-camera-during-my-workshop-fuck-you-you-piece-of-messed-up-shit/547223/46 "2010-07-19T20:00:49Z")
> [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#): > > Sure. Studies show that pot does not impair driving. Some may. The study **mhendo** cited suggests that pot does impair both cognitive and motor skills. Which is correct? Damned if I know - but given that there are decent studies that show _talking on a cell phone_ can be a dangerous distraction in a car, it seems odd to be cavalier about the risk of driving while stoned. This has nothing to do with legalization, by the way. I fully support absolute legalization of marijuana for recreational use - just not while driving. Treat it like alcohol. ---
**Author:** ![Genericuser234](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/5daacb/32.png) [@Genericuser234](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Genericuser234)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2010, 8:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-steal-a-camera-during-my-workshop-fuck-you-you-piece-of-messed-up-shit/547223/47 "2010-07-19T20:02:01Z")
This pothead is a total moron! Why not just steal the surveillance camera instead? ---
**Author:** ![billfish678](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7bcc69/32.png) [@billfish678](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/billfish678)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2010, 8:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-steal-a-camera-during-my-workshop-fuck-you-you-piece-of-messed-up-shit/547223/48 "2010-07-19T20:03:22Z")
> [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#): > > Thanks for the cite. I am one of those people who never seemed to suffer any impairment. My friends would often comment on it a lot that I seemed more straight when I was stoned than when I wasn’t (I’m naturally kind of a space case. Pot actually seemed to clear me up and help me concentrate). The SDMB should make it a rule that you are higher than a kite before you are allowed to post then. And, are you related to the boozer that loves to tell people he is the hit of the party when he’s drunk? ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2010, 8:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-steal-a-camera-during-my-workshop-fuck-you-you-piece-of-messed-up-shit/547223/49 "2010-07-19T20:05:38Z")
You probably did great in your DARE classes, didn’t you? Got all the stickers and everything, I bet. ---
**Author:** ![Jackmannii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackmannii/32/311_2.png) [@Jackmannii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackmannii)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2010, 8:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-steal-a-camera-during-my-workshop-fuck-you-you-piece-of-messed-up-shit/547223/50 "2010-07-19T20:14:16Z")
> [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#): > > Sure. Studies show that pot does not impair driving. And what studies might those be? A quick search finds [ample evidence otherwise](http://www.nida.nih.gov/infofacts/driving.html). \*"A meta-analysis of approximately 60 experimental studies, including laboratory, driving simulator, and on-road experiments, found that behavioral and cognitive skills related to driving performance were impaired in a dose-dependent fashion with increasing THC blood levels. Evidence from both real and simulated driving studies indicates that marijuana can negatively affect a driver’s attentiveness, perception of time and speed, and the ability to draw on information obtained from past experiences. A study of over 3000 fatally-injured drivers in Australia showed that when marijuana was present in the blood of the driver they were much more likely to be at fault for the accident. And the higher the THC concentration, the more likely they were to be culpable."\* ---
**Author:** ![Rigamarole](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/77aa72/32.png) [@Rigamarole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rigamarole)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2010, 8:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-steal-a-camera-during-my-workshop-fuck-you-you-piece-of-messed-up-shit/547223/51 "2010-07-19T20:16:27Z")
I’m also curious what the workshop was for. And did you ever ask the hotel (or wherever the workshop was held) to check the surveillance tapes just to be sure? ---
**Author:** ![MTCicero](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/a4c791/32.png) [@MTCicero](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MTCicero)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2010, 8:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-steal-a-camera-during-my-workshop-fuck-you-you-piece-of-messed-up-shit/547223/52 "2010-07-19T20:25:44Z")
> [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#): > > No it doesn’t. [Oh, really?](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Short-term_effects_of_cannabis#Neurological_effects) ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2010, 9:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-steal-a-camera-during-my-workshop-fuck-you-you-piece-of-messed-up-shit/547223/53 "2010-07-19T21:03:18Z")
People who are baked drive [BETTER](http://norml.org/index.cfm?Group_ID=5450): > [@](#): > > Although cannabis intoxication has been shown to mildly impair psychomotor skills, this impairment does not appear to be severe or long lasting. In driving simulator tests, this impairment is typically manifested by subjects decreasing their driving speed and requiring greater time to respond to emergency situations. > > Nevertheless, this impairment does not appear to play a significant role in on-road traffic accidents. A 2002 review of seven separate studies involving 7,934 drivers reported, “Crash culpability studies have failed to demonstrate that drivers with cannabinoids in the blood are significantly more likely than drug-free drivers to be culpable in road crashes.” This result is likely because subject under the influence of marijuana are aware of their impairment and compensate for it accordingly, such as by slowing down and by focusing their attention when they know a response will be required. This reaction is just the opposite of that exhibited by drivers under the influence of alcohol, who tend to drive in a more risky manner proportional to their intoxication. Summary: the impairment is not significant enough to affect driving skills, and people who are stoned actually drive more slowly and cautiously. I drove stoned a billion times. Never hit one school bus. ---
**Author:** ![bsane](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/8e8cbc/32.png) [@bsane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bsane)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2010, 9:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-steal-a-camera-during-my-workshop-fuck-you-you-piece-of-messed-up-shit/547223/54 "2010-07-19T21:23:29Z")
> [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#): > > Thanks for the cite. I am one of those people who never seemed to suffer any impairment. My friends would often comment on it a lot that I seemed more straight when I was stoned than when I wasn’t (I’m naturally kind of a space case. Pot actually seemed to clear me up and help me concentrate). Wait… Now you’re saying you knew it caused impairment? Why did you adamantly argue that it didn’t if you knew it did? ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2010, 9:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-steal-a-camera-during-my-workshop-fuck-you-you-piece-of-messed-up-shit/547223/55 "2010-07-19T21:32:01Z")
I didn’t say that at all. I never thought it caused any impairment at all except perhaps for inexperienced users. I still don’t think it cuases any impairment significant enough to worry about. Pass the bong to my surgeon. I don’t care. ---
**Author:** ![PunditLisa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/4af34b/32.png) [@PunditLisa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PunditLisa)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2010, 9:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-steal-a-camera-during-my-workshop-fuck-you-you-piece-of-messed-up-shit/547223/56 "2010-07-19T21:32:47Z")
I’m sorry your camera was stolen, Cartooniverse, and I’m also sorry that your perfectly good rant has been sidelined. ---
**Author:** ![billfish678](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7bcc69/32.png) [@billfish678](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/billfish678)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2010, 10:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-steal-a-camera-during-my-workshop-fuck-you-you-piece-of-messed-up-shit/547223/57 "2010-07-19T22:04:29Z")
> [@PunditLisa](#): > > I’m sorry your camera was stolen, Cartooniverse, and I’m also sorry that your perfectly good rant has been sidelined. Ditto. But you gotta love the irony that a rant thread about a thieving pothead was stolen by another pothead. ---
**Author:** ![Freudian\_Slit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/5daacb/32.png) [@Freudian\_Slit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Freudian_Slit)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2010, 10:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-steal-a-camera-during-my-workshop-fuck-you-you-piece-of-messed-up-shit/547223/58 "2010-07-19T22:29:01Z")
I’m more curious about the camera as well. Did the surveillance video really show the guy stealing the camera? Or is the only evidence the fact that he managed to find it? (I agree that if it’s just the latter it’s still suspicious but not hard evidence.) ---
**Author:** ![madrabbitwoman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c37758/32.png) [@madrabbitwoman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/madrabbitwoman)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2010, 11:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-steal-a-camera-during-my-workshop-fuck-you-you-piece-of-messed-up-shit/547223/59 "2010-07-19T23:05:13Z")
> [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#): > > The effects of chronic alcohol abuse are much, much, MUCH worse than for chronic chronic use. Pot doesn’t pickle your brain and destroy your liver. Nope but it may cause or worsen mental illness (my own persoanl experience is that I have met more stoners in the psych ward than out) Lots of cites here if you would care to look: > **[Google Scholar](https://scholar.google.com.au/scholar?q=link%2Bbetween%2Bmarijuana%2Band%2Bmental%2Billness&hl=en&as_sdt=0&as_vis=1&oi=scholart)** ---
**Author:** ![Dante](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dante/32/9673_2.png) [@Dante](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dante)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2010, 11:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-steal-a-camera-during-my-workshop-fuck-you-you-piece-of-messed-up-shit/547223/60 "2010-07-19T23:15:08Z")
> [@PunditLisa](#): > > I’m sorry your camera was stolen, Cartooniverse, and I’m also sorry that your perfectly good rant has been sidelined. Yeah, could we change the message board so that a thread that’s been Diogenized is a different colour or something? Like the Grapist? That would be handy. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-steal-a-camera-during-my-workshop-fuck-you-you-piece-of-messed-up-shit/547223.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-steal-a-camera-during-my-workshop-fuck-you-you-piece-of-messed-up-shit/547223.md?page=4)