# You steal a camera during MY Workshop? Fuck you, you piece of messed-up shit ! **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [July 19, 2010, 2:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-steal-a-camera-during-my-workshop-fuck-you-you-piece-of-messed-up-shit/547223 "2010-07-19T14:22:46Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![MeanOldLady](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/meanoldlady/32/10737_2.png) [@MeanOldLady](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MeanOldLady)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2010, 5:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-steal-a-camera-during-my-workshop-fuck-you-you-piece-of-messed-up-shit/547223/81 "2010-07-20T05:59:48Z")
> [@MsWhatsit](#): > > Since it is almost 2 am and we are in the Anecdote Zone (like the Twilight Zone except less creepy and with no talking puppets) I will say that this is bar none the most hilarious thing to witness drunk people do. “I am definitely not drunk! No, I always walk this way and talk like a robot and do not use contractions in my speech! I am super rational and capable right now! Oh shit, why is the floor on the ceiling!” Ha ha ha! Do not use contractions! Hilarious. Oh man, I love the Anecdote Zone. Seriously now, **Cartooniverse** , I’m sorry your camera was stolen. ---
**Author:** ![magellan01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@magellan01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/magellan01)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2010, 10:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-steal-a-camera-during-my-workshop-fuck-you-you-piece-of-messed-up-shit/547223/82 "2010-07-20T10:48:13Z")
> [@MeanOldLady](#): > > **Diogenes** , can you shut the fuck up already? > > … > > Don’t show up to important shit high and/or drunk, and then wonder why people think you’re an asshole who isn’t serious. It’s not more complicated than that. **MeanOldLady** , this and your subsequent posts win the thread. You cracked me up. Like **MsWhatsit** , I love The Anecdote Zone. Funny stuff. **Dio** is your muse. ---
**Author:** ![ivan\_astikov](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/58f4c7/32.png) [@ivan\_astikov](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ivan_astikov)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2010, 11:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-steal-a-camera-during-my-workshop-fuck-you-you-piece-of-messed-up-shit/547223/83 "2010-07-20T11:03:18Z")
If I have to defend **Dio’s** position here, so be it. I’m going to outright state that pot-smokers have less driving accidents than those who drive “straight”. If it is such an outlandish claim, I’m sure there’ll be a barrage of cites proving differently in a matter of moments. ---
**Author:** ![Enderw24](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/ba9def/32.png) [@Enderw24](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Enderw24)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2010, 11:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-steal-a-camera-during-my-workshop-fuck-you-you-piece-of-messed-up-shit/547223/84 "2010-07-20T11:49:23Z")
> [@ivan\_astikov](#): > > If I have to defend **Dio’s** position here, so be it. I’m going to outright state that pot-smokers have less driving accidents than those who drive “straight”. If it is such an outlandish claim, I’m sure there’ll be a barrage of cites proving differently in a matter of moments. Oh no. I fully believe this to be the truth. In the same way that people who drive a manual transmission with their feet have less driving accidents than those who drive “straight.” It’s not that it isn’t a ridiculous thing to do and patently unsafe…it’s just that there’s less people out there attempting it so there are less accidents. Oh…did you mean on a percentage basis? That, like, 7% of pot smokers get into an accident while 14% of the regular population does? Yeah, no. I highly doubt that. > [@MsWhatsit](#): > > Since it is almost 2 am and we are in the Anecdote Zone (like the Twilight Zone except less creepy and with no talking puppets) I will say that this is bar none the most hilarious thing to witness drunk people do. “I am definitely not drunk! No, I always walk this way and talk like a robot and do not use contractions in my speech! I am super rational and capable right now! Oh shit, why is the floor on the ceiling!” They say that bad actors play drunk people by making them act drunk. The secret is to portray drunk people as attempting to act sober. ---
**Author:** ![ivan\_astikov](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/58f4c7/32.png) [@ivan\_astikov](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ivan_astikov)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2010, 11:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-steal-a-camera-during-my-workshop-fuck-you-you-piece-of-messed-up-shit/547223/85 "2010-07-20T11:55:18Z")
> [@Enderw24](#): > > Oh…did you mean on a percentage basis? That, like, 7% of pot smokers get into an accident while 14% of the regular population does? Yeah, no. I highly doubt that. And you are welcome to doubt it. Meanwhile you have 2 - yes, 2! - people telling you from their own experience that driving under the influence of pot does not inhibit driving ability in any significant manner, and your counter-experience is… what? ---
**Author:** ![MTCicero](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/a4c791/32.png) [@MTCicero](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MTCicero)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2010, 12:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-steal-a-camera-during-my-workshop-fuck-you-you-piece-of-messed-up-shit/547223/86 "2010-07-20T12:44:41Z")
> [@Mr.Excellent](#): > > This has nothing to do with legalization, by the way. I fully support absolute legalization of marijuana for recreational use - just not while driving. Treat it like alcohol. Seconded. ---
**Author:** ![Crotalus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crotalus/32/41_2.png) [@Crotalus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Crotalus)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2010, 12:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-steal-a-camera-during-my-workshop-fuck-you-you-piece-of-messed-up-shit/547223/87 "2010-07-20T12:49:39Z")
> [@ivan\_astikov](#): > > And you are welcome to doubt it. Meanwhile you have 2 - yes, 2! - people telling you from their own experience that driving under the influence of pot does not inhibit driving ability in any significant manner, and your counter-experience is… what? How about the counter-experience that people who are under the influence of drugs or alcohol are notoriously bad judges of the degree to which they are under the influence? ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2010, 12:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-steal-a-camera-during-my-workshop-fuck-you-you-piece-of-messed-up-shit/547223/88 "2010-07-20T12:57:57Z")
> [@Crotalus](#): > > How about the counter-experience that people who are under the influence of drugs or alcohol are notoriously bad judges of the degree to which they are under the influence? I’m prepared to buy that people who are stoned _think_ they’re safer drivers. ---
**Author:** ![Enderw24](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/ba9def/32.png) [@Enderw24](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Enderw24)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2010, 1:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-steal-a-camera-during-my-workshop-fuck-you-you-piece-of-messed-up-shit/547223/89 "2010-07-20T13:03:08Z")
> [@ivan\_astikov](#): > > And you are welcome to doubt it. Meanwhile you have 2 - yes, 2! - people telling you from their own experience that driving under the influence of pot does not inhibit driving ability in any significant manner, and your counter-experience is… what? Two? Well crap man. I can’t beat that. I’m just one person. I guess I’ll have to concede. Oh, by the way, based upon my personal experiences of my own body, 100% of the human population has penises. Just thought I’d let you know that the biology books are wrong. ---
**Author:** ![ivan\_astikov](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/58f4c7/32.png) [@ivan\_astikov](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ivan_astikov)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2010, 1:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-steal-a-camera-during-my-workshop-fuck-you-you-piece-of-messed-up-shit/547223/90 "2010-07-20T13:06:44Z")
Driving once while under the influence of pot and coming back unscathed might be deemed lucky, so how many times would it have to be done to satisfy those in doubt? ---
**Author:** ![Fuji](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/a9a28c/32.png) [@Fuji](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fuji)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2010, 1:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-steal-a-camera-during-my-workshop-fuck-you-you-piece-of-messed-up-shit/547223/91 "2010-07-20T13:11:48Z")
> [@ivan\_astikov](#): > > And you are welcome to doubt it. Meanwhile you have 2 - yes, 2! - people telling you from their own experience that driving under the influence of pot does not inhibit driving ability in any significant manner, and your counter-experience is… what? Here’s a third person saying “Yes”… and “No”. I have plenty of past experience with cannabis and with driving, and I never had an accident while driving stoned. On the other hand, I also know that, in my experience, smoking weed certainly did impair my ability to drive a car. I know this because: 1) I moderated my intake prior to hitting the road because I knew otherwise I would have problems, and 2) once on the road, I drove with a hyper-vigilance because I knew I had to compensate for my stonedness. I also knew these two precautions were necessary because, 3) there have been many times when I was simply too fried to even think about getting behind the wheel. Good times… In my experience, though, driving with a hangover is _much_ more problematic than either having a couple drinks or a couple puffs and then hitting the road. You get the hazy dissociation from reality like when you’re drunk, but no “feel good” chemicals racing around your brain to perk you up and help you focus on the task at hand. ---
**Author:** ![Turek](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/turek/32/18782_2.png) [@Turek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Turek)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2010, 1:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-steal-a-camera-during-my-workshop-fuck-you-you-piece-of-messed-up-shit/547223/92 "2010-07-20T13:42:21Z")
> [@ivan\_astikov](#): > > And you are welcome to doubt it. Meanwhile you have 2 - yes, 2! - people telling you from their own experience that driving under the influence of pot does not inhibit driving ability in any significant manner, and your counter-experience is… what? We’re just considering the sources. ---
**Author:** ![Inigo\_Montoya](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/inigo_montoya/32/124_2.png) [@Inigo\_Montoya](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inigo_Montoya)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2010, 1:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-steal-a-camera-during-my-workshop-fuck-you-you-piece-of-messed-up-shit/547223/93 "2010-07-20T13:43:38Z")
> [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#): > > I haven’t smoked pot in years, but if someone wants to claim that marijuana impares cognition and motor skills, that’s the person who needs to bring the cite, not me. Ok, my post as my cite. From my limited use of medical grade pot: **Hit #1** : nothing **Hit #2** : buzzed, a little dizzy **Hit #3** : high, I really like colored lights, have to concentrate in order to walk, I won’t remember this tomorrow **Hit #4** : Fucked up, can’t walk in a straight line, can’t pour water into a glass without considerable effort, TV seems to be in half-second stop action, can’t follow a movie anyway, don’t remember anything from 15 minutes ago. I’ve never been stoned in a situation that requires any kind of intellectual or ethical judgment so I can’t say if I’d be more likely to steal stuff. But if I were an instructor I’d be incensed (heh) to find out a student was wasting a slot in one of my classes by showing up in a condition that would compromise any benefits he might get from it. ---
**Author:** ![billfish678](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7bcc69/32.png) [@billfish678](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/billfish678)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2010, 1:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-steal-a-camera-during-my-workshop-fuck-you-you-piece-of-messed-up-shit/547223/94 "2010-07-20T13:50:57Z")
> [@Enderw24](#): > > Oh, by the way, based upon my personal experiences of my own body, 100% of the human population has penises. Just thought I’d let you know that the biology books are wrong. I’ve gone one of them there penis thingys as well, so make that 200%. ---
**Author:** ![Inigo\_Montoya](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/inigo_montoya/32/124_2.png) [@Inigo\_Montoya](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inigo_Montoya)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2010, 2:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-steal-a-camera-during-my-workshop-fuck-you-you-piece-of-messed-up-shit/547223/95 "2010-07-20T14:04:44Z")
> [@billfish678](#): > > I’ve gone one of them there penis thingys as well, so make that 200%. Dude…don’t bogart!😃 ---
**Author:** ![storyteller0910](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecae2f/32.png) [@storyteller0910](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/storyteller0910)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2010, 2:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-steal-a-camera-during-my-workshop-fuck-you-you-piece-of-messed-up-shit/547223/96 "2010-07-20T14:30:58Z")
> [@ivan\_astikov](#): > > And you are welcome to doubt it. Meanwhile you have 2 - yes, 2! - people telling you from their own experience that driving under the influence of pot does not inhibit driving ability in any significant manner, and your counter-experience is… what? Well, I just read an article by Mann RE et al (Traffic Inj Prev. 2010 Apr;11(2):115-22) in which the authors conducted a survey of approximately 7000 (Canadian) adults and found that the odds ratio for collision involvement among drivers who had driven after cannabis use versus drivers who had never done so was 1.84 (notably, the odds ratio for drivers who drove after alcohol consumption versus drivers who never had was only 1.34). Also found an Australian study (Lenne MG et al, Accid Anal Prev. 2010 May;42(3):859-66). Money quote, from the article’s conclusions: > [@](#): > > Cannabis did impair simulated driving as evidenced by increased variability in speed, headway, and lateral position, in accord with previous research ([Ramaekers et al., 2000], [Robbe, 1998] and [Ronen et al., 2008]). In most cases these effects were dose-dependent. The decrements in standard deviation of lateral position for high dose cannabis were greater than those observed in the high alcohol condition. [Reaction times] were also slower in the high dose cannabis condition. Performance in the cannabis conditions was associated with an increase in mean headway and a decrease in mean speed. These effects of cannabis were observed at levels similar to those believed to be indicative of performance impairment. Of the cites in the paragraph above, Ramaekers et al (publishing in Human Psychopharmacology) tried three doses of THC (0, 100, and 200 micrograms/kg) with vs. without alcohol and found that both non-zero doses of THC negatively affected driving performance; according to the abstract, “Performance deficits were minor after alcohol and moderate after both THC doses.” I can’t get into the Robbe article at the moment. The Ronen article (in Accident Analysis and Prevention) had a very small sample size - only 14 - but nonetheless concluded, among other things, that “a moderate dose of alcohol (0.05% BAC) appeared to impair subjects’ ability to drive at a similar level as that observed after smoking the lower level of THC.” This seems pretty clear cut to me. Marijuana use is associated with decreased driving speed but increased speed variability, increased variability of lateral position (ie, swerving), decreased reaction time, and increased risk of collison. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2010, 2:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-steal-a-camera-during-my-workshop-fuck-you-you-piece-of-messed-up-shit/547223/97 "2010-07-20T14:41:37Z")
> [@Inigo\_Montoya](#): > > Dude…don’t bogart!😃 Well, just remember, when it gets passed to you, hold it in as long as you can to get the full effect. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2010, 2:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-steal-a-camera-during-my-workshop-fuck-you-you-piece-of-messed-up-shit/547223/98 "2010-07-20T14:42:59Z")
The study I cited showed that there was no difference in likelihood of accidents between people who are stoned and people who are not stoned. ---
**Author:** ![MTCicero](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/a4c791/32.png) [@MTCicero](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MTCicero)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2010, 2:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-steal-a-camera-during-my-workshop-fuck-you-you-piece-of-messed-up-shit/547223/99 "2010-07-20T14:50:14Z")
> [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#): > > The study I cited showed that there was no difference in likelihood of accidents between people who are stoned and people who are not stoned. You know, that’s kind of like a Christian pointing to the Bible when asked for proof of the existence of God. ---
**Author:** ![JThunder](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/e95f7d/32.png) [@JThunder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JThunder)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2010, 2:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-steal-a-camera-during-my-workshop-fuck-you-you-piece-of-messed-up-shit/547223/100 "2010-07-20T14:50:49Z")
> [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#): > > The study I cited showed that there was no difference in likelihood of accidents between people who are stoned and people who are not stoned. And **storyteller0910** cited two studies that say otherwise. Moreover, your original claim was not about driving ability alone. It was about the impairment of cognitive ability and motor skills. The study that you cited fully acknowledged that drivers are impaired while they’re on marijuana, even as it posited that they take corrective action while under the influence. So even if we grant that your cite is superior to the ones mentioned by **storyteller0910** , the fact remains: your own citation proves your claim to be wrong. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-steal-a-camera-during-my-workshop-fuck-you-you-piece-of-messed-up-shit/547223.md?page=4) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-steal-a-camera-during-my-workshop-fuck-you-you-piece-of-messed-up-shit/547223.md?page=6)