# You steal a camera during MY Workshop? Fuck you, you piece of messed-up shit ! **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [July 19, 2010, 2:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-steal-a-camera-during-my-workshop-fuck-you-you-piece-of-messed-up-shit/547223 "2010-07-19T14:22:46Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 8
**Author:** ![Jackmannii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackmannii/32/311_2.png) [@Jackmannii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackmannii)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2010, 12:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-steal-a-camera-during-my-workshop-fuck-you-you-piece-of-messed-up-shit/547223/141 "2010-07-21T00:21:12Z")
> [@VinylTurnip](#): > > To be fair, I’d say “marijuana intoxication makes one more likely to steal” is what needs a cite. Fuck if I’ve ever heard of such a thing. In general it’s difficult to link drug use to criminal activity given all the complicating factors leading people to commit crimes, the lack of standardization in defining a “drug crime” and limited measurements of drug levels in people committing crimes. What we do know is that pot is one of the drugs [that increases impulsivity](http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18515464), and it’s not a big stretch to get to the concept that in some people that will include a greater propensity to break the law. (by the way, I’m not big on the idea that pot use needs to be criminalized, but neither is it absolutely harmless like some folks would have us believe). ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2010, 12:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-steal-a-camera-during-my-workshop-fuck-you-you-piece-of-messed-up-shit/547223/142 "2010-07-21T00:27:56Z")
> [@MTCicero](#): > > The guy’s simply not a thief IRL Does he watch PBS without pledging? ---
**Author:** ![Frank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Frank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frank)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2010, 1:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-steal-a-camera-during-my-workshop-fuck-you-you-piece-of-messed-up-shit/547223/143 "2010-07-21T01:14:39Z")
I’m still interested in what the surveillance camera showed. And, as a former pothead, I’ll add that: 1. The idea that being high does not interfere with driving is bullshit. Should pot ever be legalized, an accurate test for Blood Cannibinol Level will be the next major commercial breakthrough. (“How many hits have you had tonight, sir?”) 2. The idea that being high turns one into a thief is bullshit. Someone who is already a crook is likely to be a more stupid crook while high, that’s all. The OPs description does not seem to be totally out of line with this scenario, but it’s because of the hero’s personality, not because he was stoned. But . . . that said, I’ll repeat, I’m still interested in what the surveillance camera showed. ---
**Author:** ![Shot\_From\_Guns](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ccd318/32.png) [@Shot\_From\_Guns](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shot_From_Guns)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2010, 3:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-steal-a-camera-during-my-workshop-fuck-you-you-piece-of-messed-up-shit/547223/144 "2010-07-21T15:38:20Z")
> [@billfish678](#): > > Being high compromises your mental function. This dude was high. It certainly doesnt seem to be much a stretch to me that a high person might be more likely than a sober/not high person to use the five finger discount if an easy opportunity arose. > > Hell, isnt that almost the definition of being drunk/high? Doing minor stupid shit you’d almost never do sober? Drugs, including alcohol and pot, lower your inhibitions. That’s it. They don’t magically turn you into a thief. To steal something while drunk or high, you’d have to \*\*\*already \*\*\*be the kind of person who’d consider stealing something while sober. Most of us wouldn’t steal a camera at a class like this because it would be wrong, \*not \*because we just don’t think we could get away with it. > [@billfish678](#): > > I just love all the potheads getting all hot and bothered here. I just love that you’re such a fucking retard you can’t process the idea that everyone who disagrees with you isn’t necessarily a pothead. ---
**Author:** ![MeanOldLady](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/meanoldlady/32/10737_2.png) [@MeanOldLady](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MeanOldLady)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2010, 4:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-steal-a-camera-during-my-workshop-fuck-you-you-piece-of-messed-up-shit/547223/145 "2010-07-21T16:30:24Z")
> [@Shot\_From\_Guns](#): > > 1.) I’m suspicious of the fact that \*\*Cartooniverse \*\*has never responded to say that he _did_, in fact, view the security tapes. > > 2.) Smoking pot has nothing to do with somebody’s likeliness to steal shit. \*\*This particular pothead \*\*happens to be a fucking loser. > > 3.) Coming to an event fucked up as a client is not remotely comparable to coming to the same event fucked up as a vendor. The person paying for something is only cheating themself; the person being paid would be cheating everyone who gave them money. > > 4.) Shut the fuck up, **Dio**. > > 5.) No, seriously–_shut the fuck up, **Dio**._ +1-followed-by-however-many-zeros-there-are-in-a-zillion. ---
**Author:** ![Freudian\_Slit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/5daacb/32.png) [@Freudian\_Slit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Freudian_Slit)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2010, 4:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-steal-a-camera-during-my-workshop-fuck-you-you-piece-of-messed-up-shit/547223/146 "2010-07-21T16:33:55Z")
> [@Frank](#): > > I’m still interested in what the surveillance camera showed. > > And, as a former pothead, I’ll add that: > > 1. The idea that being high does not interfere with driving is bullshit. Should pot ever be legalized, an accurate test for Blood Cannibinol Level will be the next major commercial breakthrough. (“How many hits have you had tonight, sir?”) > > 2. The idea that being high turns one into a thief is bullshit. Someone who is already a crook is likely to be a more stupid crook while high, that’s all. The OPs description does not seem to be totally out of line with this scenario, but it’s because of the hero’s personality, not because he was stoned. > > But . . . that said, I’ll repeat, I’m still interested in what the surveillance camera showed. This was pretty much my whole reaction, too. But I don’t think the OP’s coming back any time soon… ---
**Author:** ![Cat\_Whisperer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cat_whisperer/32/4839_2.png) [@Cat\_Whisperer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cat_Whisperer)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2010, 4:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-steal-a-camera-during-my-workshop-fuck-you-you-piece-of-messed-up-shit/547223/147 "2010-07-21T16:35:18Z")
> [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > Does he watch PBS without pledging? Oh my God - I do that! I must be a pothead! ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2010, 4:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-steal-a-camera-during-my-workshop-fuck-you-you-piece-of-messed-up-shit/547223/148 "2010-07-21T16:52:20Z")
> [@Cat\_Whisperer](#): > > Oh my God - I do that! I must be a pothead! Well, maybe, but it also makes you a thief. A common thief! ---
**Author:** ![dmatsch](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/3be4f8/32.png) [@dmatsch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dmatsch)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2010, 5:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-steal-a-camera-during-my-workshop-fuck-you-you-piece-of-messed-up-shit/547223/149 "2010-07-21T17:19:18Z")
> [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#): > > Drunk is not the same as baked. The comparison is not valid. I was stoned in 90% of my college classes and got straight A’s. word. Only I got B’s because I chased too many women. ---
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2010, 5:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-steal-a-camera-during-my-workshop-fuck-you-you-piece-of-messed-up-shit/547223/150 "2010-07-21T17:34:26Z")
> [@Shot\_From\_Guns](#): > > Drugs, including alcohol and pot, lower your inhibitions. That’s it. It seems to me (based on my own plausibly deniable experiences) that the quality of inhibition-lowering caused by marijuana is significantly different from that of alcohol. With alcohol, you begin thinking things like “aw, I’m fine to drive!” and “dude, that meter maid \*totally \*wants me!” and “guess what, biker gang: y’all just entered a _world of hurt_!” With pot it’s more like "there can’t be _that_ many calories in this whole thing of cookies, right? How can I even think about stealing stuff when the old man at that table over there keeps looking at me? He fuckin’ _knows_, man! ---
**Author:** ![Malthus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/85f322/32.png) [@Malthus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Malthus)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2010, 7:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-steal-a-camera-during-my-workshop-fuck-you-you-piece-of-messed-up-shit/547223/151 "2010-07-21T19:25:16Z")
> [@VinylTurnip](#): > > It seems to me (based on my own plausibly deniable experiences) that the quality of inhibition-lowering caused by marijuana is significantly different from that of alcohol. > > With alcohol, you begin thinking things like “aw, I’m fine to drive!” and “dude, that meter maid \*totally \*wants me!” and “guess what, biker gang: y’all just entered a _world of hurt_!” With pot it’s more like "there can’t be _that_ many calories in this whole thing of cookies, right? > > How can I even think about stealing stuff when the old man at that table over there keeps looking at me? He fuckin’ _knows_, man! 😃 ---
**Author:** ![minor7flat5](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/minor7flat5/32/258_2.png) [@minor7flat5](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/minor7flat5)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2010, 8:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-steal-a-camera-during-my-workshop-fuck-you-you-piece-of-messed-up-shit/547223/152 "2010-07-21T20:35:02Z")
I still want to know what was actually seen on the surveillance tapes. 😕 ---
**Author:** ![cosmosdan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/a6a055/32.png) [@cosmosdan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cosmosdan)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2010, 8:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-steal-a-camera-during-my-workshop-fuck-you-you-piece-of-messed-up-shit/547223/153 "2010-07-21T20:44:06Z")
> [@minor7flat5](#): > > I still want to know what was actually seen on the surveillance tapes. > > 😕 Someone lost motor skills because they smoked a doobie. This loss caused them to accidental put a camera in a trash can which was then perceived as theft. Poor bastard ---
**Author:** ![gaffa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e68b1a/32.png) [@gaffa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gaffa)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2010, 2:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-steal-a-camera-during-my-workshop-fuck-you-you-piece-of-messed-up-shit/547223/154 "2010-07-22T02:14:58Z")
I don’t drive, I don’t use drugs, I don’t drink. Others do these three things, which means I’ve ridden as a passenger with drivers who have been drinking and have been smoking pot. As a nervous, non-driving passenger, I consider a stoned person a much better driver than a drunk one, if only because they are so much more cautious. The stoned person is usually even going to be a better driver than someone on a fucking cell phone. The lead seems to have been buried - the camera was held up with a _suction cup_? Those stupid things have an alarming tendency to release on their own. I don’t trust them. ---
**Author:** ![digs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/digs/32/14889_2.png) [@digs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/digs)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2010, 3:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-steal-a-camera-during-my-workshop-fuck-you-you-piece-of-messed-up-shit/547223/155 "2010-07-22T03:16:56Z")
> [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#): > > No it doesn’t. _That’s_ the best you got? Is it supposed to be a cogent counter-argument? On The Straight Dope? Fighting ignorance and all that? Well… ummm…uh… _ **Does too** _! ~~ And… as a teacher with an inordinate number of stoners, I’d like to point out that they’re a lot funnier than the hangover cases. ~~ And… I don’t want to burst any bubbles, but I’ve heard of passing a pain-in-the-ass doper just so that you don’t have to put up with him again next semester… ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2010, 4:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-steal-a-camera-during-my-workshop-fuck-you-you-piece-of-messed-up-shit/547223/156 "2010-07-22T04:31:11Z")
If they’re pains in the ass, it’s because they’re pains in the ass anyway. I never was. I was pretty quiet actually. Always turned in my work on time. Never cheated or missed a test or ever asked for anything. I was even one of those rare students who always actually read the assigned material. You’re not busting any bubbles. I got my A’s on merit, aced tests and wrote good papers. It was the same in high school That’s why I graduated _early_ from high school. And I was baked then too. ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2010, 4:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-steal-a-camera-during-my-workshop-fuck-you-you-piece-of-messed-up-shit/547223/157 "2010-07-22T04:32:46Z")
> [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#): > > If they’re pains in the ass, it’s because they’re pains in the ass anyway. I never was. If that was the case, then maybe you should try posting while high. (As far as the rest, I think you’re full of shit.) ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2010, 4:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-steal-a-camera-during-my-workshop-fuck-you-you-piece-of-messed-up-shit/547223/158 "2010-07-22T04:38:26Z")
Want to see my transcripts? Believe it or not, just because somebody smokes pot doesn’t mean they can’t be be a good student, and I was. ---
**Author:** ![JThunder](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/e95f7d/32.png) [@JThunder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JThunder)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2010, 4:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-steal-a-camera-during-my-workshop-fuck-you-you-piece-of-messed-up-shit/547223/159 "2010-07-22T04:57:15Z")
And because he was a “good student” by the standards of his school, this logically means that pot does not impair one’s motor skills or cognitive abilities, right? Somehow I doubt that any of those A’s were specifically awarded for critical thinking skills. ---
**Author:** ![Ionizer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/5daacb/32.png) [@Ionizer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ionizer)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2010, 7:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-steal-a-camera-during-my-workshop-fuck-you-you-piece-of-messed-up-shit/547223/160 "2010-07-22T19:32:14Z")
I was gonna jump in yesterday and relate my THC-days, but was gonna stay outta the ‘hijack’. THC does not affect me anything like alcohol. Maybe a bit less ‘sharpness’ of physical coordination, but nothing I, or teammates in soccer, softball, whatever sport, noticed or cared. No stumbling/bumbling silliness whatsoever - ever. Alcohol, you bet, a LOT of effect, much more than THC and I purposely avoided it when getting ‘physical’ (or driving). I also grad’d tops in pretty much all my class(es) up through/including most of college. Never saw/knew/expected thievery from pot, but alcohol and/or man-made drugs (meth, etc) are much more likely to be related with crime then pot, unless pot is counted as a rime when counting, imho. And my years of working Trauma (decade+ later) had me seeing that as often as not it was the non-THC positive-by-testing Trauma persons who were at fault for the ‘Trauma’ when presented to the Hospital. Seriously. I am speaking of things like car wrecks (solo or multiple cars), fall from structure, and other lack-of-coordination related injuries. And fighting - never saw a pothead start a fight myself. I’d not be surprised that most been-there Trauma nurses/Docs would say about the same as me. It was always kinda amusing to overhear the outgoing med-students/interns (~mentors) explaining to the incoming ‘1st year’ students that they would find THC to be not what they knew about from ‘the media/reporters’ or whatever concept of it they had from non-first-hand experience. I saw/heard an awful lot of drug screen results from injuries (usual betting fodder for Cokes! that and BAC-levels), and I may be off a small amount in how I am saying this, but not in any large ‘factor’. Admittedly, a ‘positive’ does not mean ‘presently intoxicated’ - take the results as you like. Alcohol, though…should be outlawed and THC made legal if a person is concerned about their safety ‘in public’. I sure as heck am, and feel this way. Its like America got it backwards so long ago, but such is society and ‘advertising’. [This](http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20627209) came to my attention today, so I’ll link it as a cite of some relevance, especially with what I have said above. From the link " Persons with heroin dependence and inhalant dependence had the highest rates of ED visits, and _marijuana dependence was associated with the lowest rates_ ". (italics mine) **Cartooniverse** , ya there? Video evidence? Have a great day 🙂 (on preview, I gotta tell Dio that I, too, grad’d high-school early and ran out of ‘technical’ courses to take like maths/sciences. It happens, 'eh?) [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-steal-a-camera-during-my-workshop-fuck-you-you-piece-of-messed-up-shit/547223.md?page=7) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-steal-a-camera-during-my-workshop-fuck-you-you-piece-of-messed-up-shit/547223.md?page=9)