You steal a camera during MY Workshop? Fuck you, you piece of messed-up shit !

Friends don’t let friends drive stupid.

You’ve been excluded. Case dismissed.

Not even for scientific reasons?

You really think a company is going to care about whether you actually *got away with *the theft you intended before firing you? Or banning you, if you’re a customer instead of an employee?

And I AM Spartacus!

What’s the fun in that? It’s way better every time cricetus busts you.

You may have 2 - yes, 2! people saying it, you could have fifty, it still wouldn’t matter because you are not impartial. The pot issue aside, I may think I am a terrific driver, when I, for example, may tailgate, don’t stay in my lane, might be easily distracted, can’t park for shit, don’t signal, talk on the cell phone, etc…I cannot accurately judge my own skills, and neither can you.

How many times for someone drving under the influence of alcohol?

For his next trick, **Dio **will prove that cigarettes don’t cause cancer, because he had a great uncle who smoked two packs a day and lived to be 98!

Cigarettes totally cause cancer, but pot doesn’t make you drive into trees. Hasn’t anyone else here ever smoked pot?

Pot doesn’t make you drive into trees. It *does *fuck with your motor skills, your coordination, and your reaction times. Whether or not that results in you driving into a tree depends on (a) whether or not you decide to drive fucked up and (b) how you compensate while driving for the fact that you’re aware that you’re fucked up.

The big problem everyone here is having, Dio, is that you’ve asserted that pot has absolutely no effect on your ability to drive, when the major scientific concensus is that it absolutely does.

Doesn’t matter. Your experience is apparently the only one that counts. As usual.

Read it and weep, baby. Read it and weep for your wrongness on this one.

U.S. Department of Transportation,
National Highway Traffic Safety Administration
(DOT HS 808 078), Final Report, November 1993:

Okay, that was from '93, but I can’t see a lot changing between then and now.

And right near the bottom of my link.

You realize that even the chunk you cited proves my point, right?
1.) “This program of research has shown that marijuana, when taken alone, produces a moderate degree of driving impairment which is related to the consumed THC dose.” There is impairment.
2.) “The impairment manifests itself mainly in the ability to maintain a steady lateral position on the road” It manifests in at least one measurable and demonstrable way.
3.) “Drivers under the influence of marijuana retain insight in their performance and will compensate, where they can, for example, by slowing down or increasing effort.” The fact that they’re compensating for the effects doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist; in fact, it proves it, for you can’t compensate for a nonexistent effect.

You will note that I have not stated that smoking pot will make you a *bad *or a *dangerous *driver; I’ve simply asserted that it can and does have an effect on your ability to drive.

You fucking retard.

Cigarettes totally do not cause cancer. I smoked cigarettes a couple of times when I was in college. And I don’t have cancer.

That’s right, I AM the evidence.

Can “The Evidence” be my rapper name? I call dibs.

That quote isn’t nearly the knockout blow you appear to think it is. :wink:

It does accord with my (admittedly subjective) observations - that being light-to-moderately stoned isn’t as dangerous as being the same amount of drunk, because generally the light-to-moderately stoned tend to compensate for the impairment.

That, however, acknowledges that there is a degree of ‘impairment’, of course.

There comes a point, as anyone who has smoked a lot of weed ought to know, where one is simply too stoned to ‘compensate’ any more. Hell, I’ve been too stoned to walk to the door, let alone drive! :smiley:

Except it really doesn’t because the “impairment” is not significant enough to make accidents any more likely.

What do you say to all the studies that show that stoned driving does not have any more likelihood than average of causing an accident? There is a great deal of evidence that smoking causes cancer. There is NO evidence that driving stoned causes car accidents.

Yes, it does have an effect, as noticed by the Australians 5 years later. It makes drivers slightly safer than non-drug users.

You senseless fucking witch.

It doesn’t matter if it makes them more likely–the point is that there IS an effect. It doesn’t matter if it’s a good effect, or a bad effect, or a bad effect that can be compensated for (and often is)–IT’S A FUCKING EFFECT.

Honestly, why do you even keep posting here, if you just keep pulling this “I am my own cite” bullshit?