# You stupid, fat, bigoted, psycho heartless bitch **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [November 28, 2004, 4:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-stupid-fat-bigoted-psycho-heartless-bitch/277009 "2004-11-28T16:29:06Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2004, 6:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-stupid-fat-bigoted-psycho-heartless-bitch/277009/61 "2004-11-30T06:47:02Z")
> [@Guinastasia](#): > > In this case, the person called a woman a murderer, because she had an abortion due to a medical emergency, and most likely would not have survived without it. THAT is being a bigot. Or at least heartless and/or psycho. ---
**Author:** ![FriarTed](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/friarted/32/1052_2.png) [@FriarTed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FriarTed)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2004, 8:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-stupid-fat-bigoted-psycho-heartless-bitch/277009/62 "2004-11-30T08:32:55Z")
I wouldn’t necessarily call her bigoted, heartless & psycho… Ignorant and crass, sure! Btw, regarding the most important criticism of her- the gravy on fries thing, if she had any sense of good taste, she’d be a chili & cheese fry girl! ---
**Author:** ![Liberal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/848f3c/32.png) [@Liberal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Liberal)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2004, 11:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-stupid-fat-bigoted-psycho-heartless-bitch/277009/63 "2004-11-30T11:46:39Z")
> [@Paul in Saudi](#): > > I am sorry. The tone of the OP is such that I have little sympathy with the OPer. Some people hold opinions that differ from our own. Some people have religions and religious beliefs that differ from ours. Some people weigh more than we do. > > Those differences do not make them psychos, bigots or heartless. I think you’ve hit upon at least part of the reason that the left is losing influence in the US. People are tired of being called bigots and psychos and heartless bitches, and they’re responding at the voting booth. Frankly, if the left doesn’t change its tune and still wonders why it’s seeing more and more of these alleged bigots and psychos and heartless bitches, then it is exibiting a classic sign of insanity. Plus, the left is exibiting a bigotry of its own — it is hard to imagine a more narrow minded way of looking at the world than to say, “Here are the thought-rules. Obey them!” ---
**Author:** ![Harborwolf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/c89c15/32.png) [@Harborwolf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Harborwolf)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2004, 12:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-stupid-fat-bigoted-psycho-heartless-bitch/277009/64 "2004-11-30T12:30:32Z")
Actually, the remark about homo makes her a bigot. The fact that she would hate a person for having a life saving abortion (when she essentially had her own) makes her heartless, especially as she’s shown no concern for the welfare and feelings of the person who had the abortion. As for pycho, you’ll have to take my word for it. She really isn’t a nice person. And **liberal** , the left and any thought police have nothing to do with this. This is a case of a person hating a person because she finds her to be all of the various insults listed in the title. The only time politics came into this was in the remark about the Bush stickers on her car, which was told jokingly. As far as I know, people can still hate people without politics entering into it, right? It is kinda funny that you would say that since somebody wondered how long it would be before your GD thread got hijacked into debating the election. ---
**Author:** ![Alias](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/a88e4f/32.png) [@Alias](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alias)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2004, 12:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-stupid-fat-bigoted-psycho-heartless-bitch/277009/65 "2004-11-30T12:59:56Z")
> [@Paul in Saudi](#): > > I am sorry. The tone of the OP is such that I have little sympathy with the OPer. Some people hold opinions that differ from our own. Some people have religions and religious beliefs that differ from ours. Some people weigh more than we do. > > Those differences do not make them psychos, bigots or heartless. This is not about a difference of opinions as much as it is about VERY hateful remarks this girl expressed about a co-worker and friend. I didn’t bait this girl into a debate about abortion and religion, I merely answered her question regarding a co-worker who had a medical emergency that resulted in an abortion. She twisted the conversation at that point to call the hairdresser a murderer and say that she had absolutely no right to kill her baby and she was going to hell for her crime. ---
**Author:** ![look\_ninjas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/b2d939/32.png) [@look\_ninjas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/look_ninjas)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2004, 1:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-stupid-fat-bigoted-psycho-heartless-bitch/277009/66 "2004-11-30T13:16:40Z")
> [@Liberal](#): > > I think you’ve hit upon at least part of the reason that the left is losing influence in the US. People are tired of being called bigots and psychos and heartless bitches, and they’re responding at the voting booth. That would make a lot of sense, **Liberal** , if **Alias** and her co-worker were having a nice esoteric political discussion about the pros and cons of abortion. But they weren’t. They were talking about another human being, a good person who had to have an abortion out of medical necessity, someone for whom the guilt and pain of her decision was very fresh. And frankly, if someone called that person a murderer in front of me, I could go a hell of a lot further than “heartless, bigoted, psycho bitch.” I’m not going to say “Well, she’s entitled to her opinion” and shrug it off. Not because I’m some uber-liberal member of the thought police, but because I’m a human being who’s just heard a friend being viciously insulted. **Alias** opted to vent anonymously on a message board rather than pick a fight at work. As far as I’m concerned, good for her. This is not about pro-life or pro-choice, straight or gay, or liberal or conservative. It is not, in fact, about politics at all. This is about one woman’s diarrhea of the mouth and another woman’s reaction. That’s all. ---
**Author:** ![gobear](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/8dc957/32.png) [@gobear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gobear)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2004, 2:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-stupid-fat-bigoted-psycho-heartless-bitch/277009/67 "2004-11-30T14:42:07Z")
So if I have this right, **Liberal** maintains that it’s all right to _be_ racist, a homophobic, and without compassion, but it’s terribly poor form for anyone to mention it. I van just imagine a conversation in \*\*Lib[/]'s ideal America. Gay man: That homophobe just kicked me and called me a fag! Right-thinking American: Hold on, there, Gay Man! Stop oppressing other people with your intolerance for their ideas. If he wants to call you foul names and treat you badly because you’re gay, let him, or else be thought a bigot! Woman: But my co-worker called me a murderer for having an abortion of a malformed fetus to save my life! She’s a heartless bitch! Right-Thinking American: How dare you not accept her opinion of you as valid? If she says you’re a murderer, then accept it, or else you risk alienating people with your intolerance! ---
**Author:** ![gobear](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/8dc957/32.png) [@gobear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gobear)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2004, 2:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-stupid-fat-bigoted-psycho-heartless-bitch/277009/68 "2004-11-30T14:42:17Z")
So if I have this right, **Liberal** maintains that it’s all right to _be_ racist, a homophobic, and without compassion, but it’s terribly poor form for anyone to mention it. I van just imagine a conversation in **Lib** ’s ideal America. Gay man: That homophobe just kicked me and called me a fag! Right-thinking American: Hold on, there, Gay Man! Stop oppressing other people with your intolerance for their ideas. If he wants to call you foul names and treat you badly because you’re gay, let him, or else be thought a bigot! Woman: But my co-worker called me a murderer for having an abortion of a malformed fetus to save my life! She’s a heartless bitch! Right-Thinking American: How dare you not accept her opinion of you as valid? If she says you’re a murderer, then accept it, or else you risk alienating people with your intolerance! ---
**Author:** ![Excalibre](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/898d66/32.png) [@Excalibre](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Excalibre)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2004, 11:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-stupid-fat-bigoted-psycho-heartless-bitch/277009/69 "2004-11-30T23:13:26Z")
> [@Liberal](#): > > I hope it will help to explain that I see a difference between defending bigots and defending the right to be a bigot. That’s how I deal with bigotry when I experience it myself — idiots are entitled to their opinions, and I let them know both that they are an idiot and that they are entitled. In the case of Alias, note that I did not defend the bigotry, but the expression of it. The bigot has as much right to state his opinion as Alias does. Trust me, you cannot eliminate bigotry with laws or stern morality lectures. You will only force bigots to be more careful, discerning, and surreptitious about their bigotry. And that only makes it worse. Bring them out in the open and attack their ideas publicly. If you suppress their ideas, it is fuel for their fight. They will say to others, “See? Our ideas are so powerful that the Injun wants to shut us up.” As a financial supporter of the ACLU, I have no desire to see anyone’s free speech rights trampled with hate speech laws and the like, so your reference above to law is completely at odds with reality. However, implying that anyone who disagrees with naked bigotry is equally morally deficient is, in my opinion, indefensible. Besides, do you want me to list all the times you’ve told other people what they should or shouldn’t say? I can start making a list of your classic “snide comments in banning threads” series if you like. I guess the rule, in your fantasy world, is, “I’ll defend to the death your right to say any nasty thing you like about someone, as long as it’s completely unwarranted by their own behavior.” And again I request that you spell my username properly, asshole. I don’t misspell your name. Do me the same courtesy, please. Otherwise you’re just making it clearer that your constant demands for courtesy are as hypocritical as everything else you say. > [@Harborwolf](#): > > And liberal, the left and any thought police have nothing to do with this. This is a case of a person hating a person because she finds her to be all of the various insults listed in the title. The only time politics came into this was in the remark about the Bush stickers on her car, which was told jokingly. As far as I know, people can still hate people without politics entering into it, right? Not in Liberal’s fantasy world, they can’t. > [@gobear](#): > > So if I have this right, Liberal maintains that it’s all right to be racist, a homophobic, and without compassion, but it’s terribly poor form for anyone to mention it. Has it really taken you this long to notice it? ---
**Author:** ![Liberal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/848f3c/32.png) [@Liberal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Liberal)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2004, 11:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-stupid-fat-bigoted-psycho-heartless-bitch/277009/70 "2004-12-01T11:28:24Z")
> [@Alias](#): > > This is not about a difference of opinions as much as it is about VERY hateful remarks this girl expressed about a co-worker and friend. Hateful remarks? You mean like “stupid, fat, bigoted, psycho heartless bitch”? ---
**Author:** ![Liberal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/848f3c/32.png) [@Liberal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Liberal)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2004, 11:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-stupid-fat-bigoted-psycho-heartless-bitch/277009/71 "2004-12-01T11:35:32Z")
> [@gobear](#): > > So if I have this right, **Liberal** maintains that it’s all right to _be_ racist, a homophobic, and without compassion, but it’s terribly poor form for anyone to mention it. Nonsense. Mention it all you like. In fact, if you had read my response, you would have seen that that’s exactly what I do: “That’s how I deal with bigotry when I experience it myself — idiots are entitled to their opinions, **and I let them know both that they are an idiot and that they are entitled**.” (Emphasis added to assist comprehension) ---
**Author:** ![Harborwolf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/c89c15/32.png) [@Harborwolf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Harborwolf)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2004, 12:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-stupid-fat-bigoted-psycho-heartless-bitch/277009/72 "2004-12-01T12:44:13Z")
> [@Liberal](#): > > Hateful remarks? You mean like “stupid, fat, bigoted, psycho heartless bitch”? Ah, you got 'er **lib**. Oh wait, no you don’t. To quote the sentence that you just used. > [@Alias](#): > > This is not about a difference of opinions as much as it is about VERY hateful remarks this girl expressed about a **co-worker and friend**. Bolding added for comprehension. Language used to be a dick. I would think, given what the woman in question said about a friend of **Alias** , that the term used by the OP are appropriate. They are at least more appropriate than the terms used by SFBPHB (abbreviated for convinience), which were entirely a knee jerk hateful reaction. Also, **Alias** made her comment about one person. SFBPHB made hers about a group of people. The only way to make it equivalent would be if **Alias** made the comments about her entire family tree all the way down the line to the earliest mammal we could trace her to. To summarize, **Alias** made her statement with knowledge of the person she was making it about and made no broad blanket statements about large swaths of population. Keep trying **Liberal** , you’ll get it right someday. :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![Alias](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/a88e4f/32.png) [@Alias](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alias)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2004, 12:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-stupid-fat-bigoted-psycho-heartless-bitch/277009/73 "2004-12-01T12:56:53Z")
> [@Liberal](#): > > Hateful remarks? You mean like “stupid, fat, bigoted, psycho heartless bitch”? Oh please. Is that all you have? What I said to her was in response to something she said about a friend of mine and all other people who might one day be in the same position, not to mention the thousands of people who have been in it before. She also shot her mouth off about gays, saying it was wrong. Did I say that all fat people are stupid, or that all psychos are heartless bitches? In fact, I never even said it **to** her. I said it here. Anonymously. ---
**Author:** ![Liberal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/848f3c/32.png) [@Liberal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Liberal)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2004, 1:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-stupid-fat-bigoted-psycho-heartless-bitch/277009/74 "2004-12-01T13:10:04Z")
> [@Alias](#): > > Oh please. Is that all you have? What I said to her was in response to something she said about a friend of mine and all other people who might one day be in the same position, not to mention the thousands of people who have been in it before. She also shot her mouth off about gays, saying it was wrong. Did I say that all fat people are stupid, or that all psychos are heartless bitches? In fact, I never even said it **to** her. I said it here. Anonymously. I always love these rationalizations of why their shit stinks but mine is holy. It’s like a game of rhetorical Twister. So what if she thinks homosexuality is immoral. Lots of people do. Who gives a shit? You think her thinking it is immoral. You’re two peas in a pod. ---
**Author:** ![Liberal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/848f3c/32.png) [@Liberal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Liberal)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2004, 1:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-stupid-fat-bigoted-psycho-heartless-bitch/277009/75 "2004-12-01T13:11:21Z")
> [@Harborwolf](#): > > To summarize, **Alias** made her statement with knowledge of the person she was making it about and made no broad blanket statements about large swaths of population. I think you misspelled “ignorance”. ---
**Author:** ![BubbaDog](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bubbadog/32/333_2.png) [@BubbaDog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BubbaDog)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2004, 1:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-stupid-fat-bigoted-psycho-heartless-bitch/277009/76 "2004-12-01T13:28:29Z")
> [@Liberal](#): > > I think you misspelled “ignorance”. 54 more witty posts like that and you got 20,000. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![BubbaDog](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bubbadog/32/333_2.png) [@BubbaDog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BubbaDog)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2004, 1:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-stupid-fat-bigoted-psycho-heartless-bitch/277009/77 "2004-12-01T13:32:20Z")
10 don’t have to be witty Funny thing that “5” sitting next to the “6” on the keyboard ---
**Author:** ![gobear](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/8dc957/32.png) [@gobear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gobear)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2004, 2:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-stupid-fat-bigoted-psycho-heartless-bitch/277009/78 "2004-12-01T14:09:08Z")
> [@Liberal](#): > > I always love these rationalizations of why their shit stinks but mine is holy. It’s like a game of rhetorical Twister. So what if she thinks homosexuality is immoral. Lots of people do. Who gives a shit? You think her thinking it is immoral. You’re two peas in a pod. Bullshit. Bigotry and the rejection of bigotry are not morally equivalent. All viewpoints are not the same. The bigots are the aggressors, spewing hate and causing direct, material harm to gay people by using religious demagoguery to deprive gay people of equal standing before the law. If civil rights advocates had shared your philosophy, we would still have legal segregation because advocating the civil equality of black people would be “intolerant” of the sensibilities of the white majority. Dan Savage putrs it this way: > [@](#): > > Furthermore, I’m sure your friends would not hesitate to express their intolerance for other forms of intolerance: racism, for example, or sexism. People who can’t tolerate blacks or Asians or Jews are not to be tolerated. They are unacceptable, they exist outside the bounds of decent human conduct and discourse, regardless of how they justify their hatred. > > The same standard applies to homophobia. It is irrational, it is unacceptable, and we should demand, in no uncertain terms (even if it brings down deeply hypocritical accusations of intolerance), that homophobia be cast out of the bounds of decent human conduct and discourse. ---
**Author:** ![Liberal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/848f3c/32.png) [@Liberal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Liberal)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2004, 2:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-stupid-fat-bigoted-psycho-heartless-bitch/277009/79 "2004-12-01T14:41:48Z")
> [@Gobear](#): > > Bigotry and the rejection of bigotry are not morally equivalent. Once again, I do not disagree with that. But becoming a bigot is not rejecting bigotry. Violence and the rejection of violence are not morally equivalent either, but you are not being non-violent if you beat up violent people. ---
**Author:** ![look\_ninjas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/b2d939/32.png) [@look\_ninjas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/look_ninjas)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2004, 2:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-stupid-fat-bigoted-psycho-heartless-bitch/277009/80 "2004-12-01T14:50:30Z")
Let me see if I’ve got this right, **Lib**. It’s okay for the manicurist to call one of **Alias** ’s friends an evil, sinful murderer who will burn in Hell forever and ever and ever, because that’s her opinion. But it’s not okay for **Alias** to call the manicurist a “psycho, heartless bitch,” because it’s somehow hypocritical? What’s **Alias** supposed to do, bake the girl brownies? How is her anger unjustified? Furthermore, how on earth do you know that **Alias** is somehow “ignorant” about the manicurist? **Alias** works with her (not in a large, faceless company, mind, but in a small salon with five other people) and has at least had the opportunity for conversation. You don’t know either of them. How did you determine which was the ignorant one? Casting the runes? I’m going to go back to banging my head against the desk now. Maybe this will start to make sense if I just do it hard enough. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-stupid-fat-bigoted-psycho-heartless-bitch/277009.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-stupid-fat-bigoted-psycho-heartless-bitch/277009.md?page=5)