Yeah, we’re all hitting Star Wars Fatigue too. I think they shouldn’t put out another SW movie for a good 4-5 years. After all, we’re already going to get a new animated series.
Some hope. I think I read today that two new trilogies are planned. And some more. The Mouse will wring the life out of everything.
If they attached numbers to all the movies (we’re at X now, not counting animated series) we’d see how warn out the welcome is.
Lets hope no one at Disney chances to watch the SW Holiday Special. Feature film at least.
TLJ was, IMHO, a huge mess but you can’t really claim it didn’t take risks. What they did with Luke was ballsy, I’ll give them that. Unfortunately, I’m one of those that think it ruined the character and, consequently, my interest in what comes next.
Cheap Han Solo knockoff, like was seen in all too many space movies from 1979 on.
Yeah, well, he was only given about half of an episode. Some of us would like to see why he’s so “outrageous”.
He boinked Teri Hatcher[sup]*[/sup] in her prime. That’s outrageous enough for me.
[sup]*[/sup]Yes, they’re real.
There’s a recurring theme in most of these opinions which speaks to the issue that the movie industry finds itself faced with, both of these franchises in particular: fans insist on having the same material regurgitated over and over again, and it’s a double-edged sword.
Unfortunately this approach is rewarded financially, for better or worse. Does anyone above the age of 14 even know what is going on in the Transformers films? Certainly not great examples of storytelling yet they rake in cash at home and abroad and I’d say most folks couldn’t even tell you at this point how many of these films have been made without looking it up. Hollywood is more and more risk averse to try new things with each passing year, so it is amazing to me when I see something like TLJ get reamed on for trying to do something risky by taking the story in a new direction.
I was genuinely happy seeing TLJ’s effort to bring the Skywalker saga to a conclusion and pass the baton. Whether or not the film did justice to that effort is one thing, but fans often talk out of both sides of their mouth and have unrealistic expectations of how the industry operates (generally with a fair degree of contempt for their audience). TFA and TLJ were two very different things: the former was more of the same, the latter tried to go in a new direction by tearing down the establishment. A certain amount of rebooting was necessary with TFA, and TLJ could have been handled better, but watching the internet descend into petulant arguments over it all is something else. No SW movie is perfect and they all suffer from different flaws. And with Disney being two side-story films deep and even more on the way, it can’t be more obvious how risk-averse the environment is that they operate in. None of these films will cover new material, because The Mouse doesn’t want to take a chance, he wants to get paid.
With Trek, there’s been a similar problem for ages. SW has not had many cinematic opportunities to catch up with the amount of Trek content until very recently, which is probably a blessing because if any franchise knows what it’s like to suffer from a lack of innovation, it’s Trek. The only series to take a chance on something genuinely new and untested was TNG. Everything else has been standing either on the shoulders of TNG or mining the back catalog of TOS. The new Trek movies were a fun nod to what made TOS great, and Discovery is a decent and different take on the material, but it’s still just more of the same. Personally speaking, I could not care less about the Klingons anymore. It’s a big universe, go find someone new to talk with. Trek is arguably on its third prequel iteration with Discovery after Enterprise and the new movies, and DS9/Voyager were just more TNG with a different spin. What I want to see is TNG 3.0.
Would be so great to see both franchises finally embrace doing something new and different that isn’t a reboot or prequel, and doing it WELL. That’s one reason I’m really anxious to see what Benioff and Weiss do with whatever it is they’ve been hired for. Perhaps an Old Republic trilogy that blends the mount and blade fantasy of Game of Thrones with the swashbuckling adventure of Star Wars? Seems like a match made in heaven to me.
Quinten Tarantino is supposedly working on an R-rated addition to the Star Trek catalog. Much more violence and adult themes.
The only Star Trek series that I’d like to see would be one set in Next Gen/DS9 continuity, with a 1:1 time gap. That is, the last DS9 episode was 1999, so now it’s 19 years later. You can recycle old characters and they’ve all aged-up appropriately. You want old characters to make guest appearances? Sure, but Picard is now 77, Riker is 65, and Wesley is 45.
And none of this prequel or interquel nonsense. You can introduce the new or old and don’t have to worry about whether this is supposed to be before first contact with the Denebians or not.
And you know what would be nice? An exploration ship, on a five year mission out beyond the borders of the Federation. Maybe seeking out new life and new civilizations, and going where no one has gone before? An episodic show, where there’s a new situation in a new place to deal with every week, and if there’s an arc it’s firmly in the background. The main arc is walking the Earth, like Caine from Kung Fu.
One thing Star Wars has done better than Star Trek is animation.(The Star Wars: The Clone Wars series was great.) I think it might be best if Star Trek did a Next Generation/Deep Space Nine/Voyager followup series as a cartoon. That way they could use some of the existing characters without having to worry about how the actors portraying them are aging. And being animated would make it easier for audiences to differentiate from the movie series.
At this point I’d rather see an Orville spinoff. The reboot completely destroyed the Star Trek universe. What’s the point of continuing a franchise if it wipes out almost everything we know and love that happened in that world?
It didn’t. It established very clearly that this was another timeline, specifically so that stories could continue in the original universe as well. That they’ve not taken advantage of this is their problem.
Take us back to the prime universe, and set a show there. It’s not hard. The only increased tech is moving faster, so maybe we get outside our own galaxy now. Follow ships that their goal is to map a new galaxy which has a transwarp coridor to get them there. Encounter new aliens that were not part of the galactic panspermia, and thus aren’t humanoid. Let us once again go where no humanoid has gone before.
I want a spinoff about the Benzians. We need a show about truly alien aliens.
I don’t know. Can you put lightsabers in Star Trek? I’m starting to think Star Wars isn’t much without them anymore?