# "You would actually think it was a normal tourist visit" \[Jan 6, 2021 Quote\] **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [May 14, 2021, 5:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-would-actually-think-it-was-a-normal-tourist-visit-jan-6-2021-quote/942093 "2021-05-14T17:42:07Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2021, 3:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-would-actually-think-it-was-a-normal-tourist-visit-jan-6-2021-quote/942093/21 "2021-05-15T15:14:39Z")
> [@Cervaise](#): > > Except that they have absolutely no awareness that they are the true targets of the con. As long as their political enemies are complaining, they’re happy, and are blinded to the fact that it’s not those enemies’ pockets being picked, it’s their own. I’ve said before that the Trump campaign is essentially a pigeon drop con. The amazing thing is that it’s been five years now and so many people are still falling for it. _“You can fool some of the people all of the time, and all of the people some of the time. But you cannot fool all of the people all of the time.”_ - Abraham Lincoln _“I can fool some of the people all of the time. And then Lincoln said some other things I don’t care about. Did you know he was a Republican?”_ - Donald Trump ---
**Author:** ![Saintly\_Loser](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/saintly_loser/32/4045_2.png) [@Saintly\_Loser](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Saintly_Loser)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2021, 3:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-would-actually-think-it-was-a-normal-tourist-visit-jan-6-2021-quote/942093/22 "2021-05-15T15:25:15Z")
And one more relevant quote – > If you can convince the lowest white man he’s better than the best colored man, he won’t notice you’re picking his pocket. Hell, give him somebody to look down on, and he’ll empty his pockets for you. Lyndon B. Johnson I apologize for the language, but the point stands, no matter how offensively expressed. This is exactly what the Republican Party is doing. ---
**Author:** ![Odesio](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/odesio/32/20003_2.png) [@Odesio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Odesio)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2021, 8:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-would-actually-think-it-was-a-normal-tourist-visit-jan-6-2021-quote/942093/23 "2021-05-15T20:19:12Z")
> [@RitterSport](#): > > I feel like, if I were a Republican or a Trump supporter, I would be too offended to continue being so. They must think their supporters are just total idiots. But, yes, he’s playing to his base by telling a sort-of plausible lie. I think it might be psychologically difficult to turn away from the Republicans or Trump when so much of your self-identity is tied up with those two. So they end up doing some serious mental gymnastics to excuse or ignore their bad behavior. “Oh, it’s Antifa who instigated the riot at the capitol.” ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2021, 9:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-would-actually-think-it-was-a-normal-tourist-visit-jan-6-2021-quote/942093/24 "2021-05-15T21:29:45Z")
People who belong to doctrine-heavy groups AND have brains in their heads often have to do mental gymnastics, cut-and-paste, and other machinations to keep their heads from exploding. Especially if they fear dreadful punishment if they deviate in thought, word, or [gulp] deed. I have witnessed this myself. And in fact, attempted to practice it in my _yute_. But the head held firm and instead, the beliefs exploded. ---
**Author:** ![JRDelirious](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jrdelirious/32/9531_2.png) [@JRDelirious](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JRDelirious)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2021, 9:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-would-actually-think-it-was-a-normal-tourist-visit-jan-6-2021-quote/942093/25 "2021-05-15T21:38:42Z")
> [@Saintly\_Loser](#): > > What he’s doing is shoving his lie down the throats of the Communists/socialists/liberals/Antifa/BLM/whatever. And there’s nothing they can do about it. The people in his district will think Clyde _owned_ you. And me. And the rest of us big-city socialists. > > Dont’ forget, he’s from Georgia, the same state that gave us Marjorie Taylor Greene. > > … > What he’s doing is saying “yeah, I’m lying. What are you going to do about it? Are you going to make me stop?” That’s all it is. His supporters are in on it. Thirded/fourthed or whatever. It’s all about “you cannot make me back down”, confident in that nobody will act to _ **force** _ them to back down. It has been said that the “Traditional” South’s society is an “honor culture”. If you accuse someone of lying and are _not_ willing to get into an actual _fight_ over it, you will be portrayed to be the coward, and the other guy “wins” the argument _even if he WAS lying_. ---
**Author:** ![StraightTalk](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/straighttalk/32/9982_2.png) [@StraightTalk](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/StraightTalk)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2021, 5:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-would-actually-think-it-was-a-normal-tourist-visit-jan-6-2021-quote/942093/26 "2021-05-17T17:15:40Z")
Apparently, Rep Clyde was one of the ones that was helping barricade the door of the House Chamber. He was there with security that had their weapons drawn. Does he think that happens on a normal tourist day? ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2021, 5:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-would-actually-think-it-was-a-normal-tourist-visit-jan-6-2021-quote/942093/27 "2021-05-17T17:40:39Z")
Apparently he does. Unless you’re suggesting he’s… \ _mistaken_, or maybe _ill-informed_? 😱 ---
**Author:** ![StraightTalk](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/straighttalk/32/9982_2.png) [@StraightTalk](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/StraightTalk)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2021, 5:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-would-actually-think-it-was-a-normal-tourist-visit-jan-6-2021-quote/942093/28 "2021-05-17T17:43:00Z")
> [@ThelmaLou](#): > > Apparently he does. Unless you’re suggesting he’s… \ _mistaken_, or maybe _ill-informed_? 😱 Or and idiot. ---
**Author:** ![Kolak\_of\_Twilo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kolak_of_twilo/32/73_2.png) [@Kolak\_of\_Twilo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kolak_of_Twilo)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2021, 2:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-would-actually-think-it-was-a-normal-tourist-visit-jan-6-2021-quote/942093/29 "2021-05-18T02:37:20Z")
> [@ThelmaLou](#): > > Apparently he does. Unless you’re suggesting he’s… \ _mistaken_, or maybe _ill-informed_? 😱 I prefer the phrase _a bald-faced liar._ ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2021, 5:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-would-actually-think-it-was-a-normal-tourist-visit-jan-6-2021-quote/942093/30 "2021-05-18T05:05:34Z")
Actually, I prefer the term _traitor_. He’s a traitor, just like Cheeto Jesus. ---
**Author:** ![Lavender\_Pebble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lavender_pebble/32/6290_2.png) [@Lavender\_Pebble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lavender_Pebble)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2021, 2:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-would-actually-think-it-was-a-normal-tourist-visit-jan-6-2021-quote/942093/31 "2021-05-18T14:39:17Z")
This guy is unfortunately my rep and you’re right, the people down here love it. He had giant rifle shadows on his political signs and literally owns a gun store that looks like a castle. He’s been a litigious nut for years and rural GA laps it up. It’s embarrasing. So yes, detached from reality - But he’s got the whole area with him - he won with 80% of the vote. ---
**Author:** ![Yookeroo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/yookeroo/32/323_2.png) [@Yookeroo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Yookeroo)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2021, 8:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-would-actually-think-it-was-a-normal-tourist-visit-jan-6-2021-quote/942093/32 "2021-05-18T20:14:53Z")
> [@kanicbird](#): > > It is a form of spiritual slavery as I know it where one has submitted to the will of the other and that person has the intent to control that other person and limit their ability to actually see things the way they are, causing spiritual blindness. IOW, a cult. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2021, 8:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-would-actually-think-it-was-a-normal-tourist-visit-jan-6-2021-quote/942093/33 "2021-05-18T20:33:58Z")
Some context for that quote: _WHILE Lyndon Baines Johnson was a man of time and place, he felt the bitter paradox of both. I was a young man on his staff in 1960 when he gave me a vivid account of that southern schizophrenia he understood and feared. We were in Tennessee. During the motorcade, he spotted some ugly racial epithets scrawled on signs. Late that night in the hotel, when the local dignitaries had finished the last bottles of bourbon and branch water and departed, he started talking about those signs. “I’ll tell you what’s at the bottom of it,” he said. “If you can convince the lowest white man he’s better than the best colored man, he won’t notice you’re picking his pocket. Hell, give him somebody to look down on, and he’ll empty his pockets for you.”_ > **[WHAT A REAL PRESIDENT WAS LIKE](https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/opinions/1988/11/13/what-a-real-president-was-like/d483c1be-d0da-43b7-bde6-04e10106ff6c/)** This idea that it was a normal tourist day or just a peaceful demonstration cheapens the deaths of the six who died that day, including one Police officer. The GOP has said they support the police- well, that is yet another lie. ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2021, 8:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-would-actually-think-it-was-a-normal-tourist-visit-jan-6-2021-quote/942093/34 "2021-05-18T20:56:34Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > The GOP has said they support the police- well, that is yet another lie. No, they do support the police – but only certain ones. Like disgraced Officer Chauvin. ---
**Author:** ![Airbeck](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/airbeck/32/6574_2.png) [@Airbeck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Airbeck)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2021, 9:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-would-actually-think-it-was-a-normal-tourist-visit-jan-6-2021-quote/942093/35 "2021-05-18T21:46:42Z")
They support the police … keeping black and other undesirable people in their places and out of their neighborhoods. They view the police as a sort of border patrol keeping “their” neighborhoods safe from “those others”. When you view police as your personal protectors from all of the people you hate, then of course you support them. ---
**Author:** ![Sherrerd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sherrerd/32/8_2.png) [@Sherrerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sherrerd)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2021, 12:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-would-actually-think-it-was-a-normal-tourist-visit-jan-6-2021-quote/942093/36 "2021-05-19T00:11:35Z")
> [@Lavender\_Pebble](#): > > This guy is unfortunately my rep and you’re right, the people down here love it. He had giant rifle shadows on his political signs and literally owns a gun store that looks like a castle. He’s been a litigious nut for years and rural GA laps it up. It’s embarrasing. So yes, detached from reality - But he’s got the whole area with him - he won with 80% of the vote. Some had a brief moment of hope that reality might actually reassert itself with people such as those you describe here, in the form of the pandemic. Could living in the right-wing dream world continue in the face of an uncaring virus? It would appear, from the fact that your neighbors have not expressed anything but enthusiasm for Rep. Clyde’s lies, that this hope was vain. I can’t help thinking of Germany, post WW2. There was a genuine facing of reality then by the leaders who knew that Nazism was still beloved by many in the defeated nation, and that keeping it from resurging would take draconian levels of censoring pro-Nazi communication (through every means, including symbols). > [@](#): > > … The Allies recognized the appeal of Nazism to a defeated people. The movement had sprung from Germany’s humiliating defeat 27 years earlier. To eradicate the idea, all four major powers — America, Russia, Britain, and France — agreed to a plan of denazification. They would hold the supporters of the Nazi government accountable for their crimes, eradicate Nazi regalia, and present the country with the scope of Nazi crime. … I can’t help thinking that a similar level of effort might be the _ **only** _ way to counter the _‘reality doesn’t matter so long as I get to thumb my nose at people I resent’_ mindset that fuels support for Clyde and others of his ilk. > **[How the Allies Tried to Exorcise Nazism | The Saturday Evening Post](https://www.saturdayeveningpost.com/2020/05/how-the-allies-tried-to-exorcise-nazism/)** > > After the war, the Allies undertook a massive denazification plan for Germany, which included holding supporters of the Nazi government accountable for their crimes, eradicating Nazi regalia, and making German citizens confront the horrors of Nazi... ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2021, 5:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-would-actually-think-it-was-a-normal-tourist-visit-jan-6-2021-quote/942093/37 "2021-05-19T17:46:58Z")
Looks like there won’t be a bipartisan commission to look at 1/6, unlike the scores of commissions looking at Benghazi. But why can’t Pelosi say she’s forming a House committee to investigate the attempt to end democracy without Republican support? ---
**Author:** ![Buck\_Godot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/buck_godot/32/6573_2.png) [@Buck\_Godot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Buck_Godot)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2021, 6:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-would-actually-think-it-was-a-normal-tourist-visit-jan-6-2021-quote/942093/38 "2021-05-19T18:51:24Z")
The problem is that to do this you really need to have complete control of the population by a group that supports such efforts to start such a process. Given that we can barely get confederate soldier statues down, I don’t see deTrumpification happening in the foreseeable future ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2021, 7:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-would-actually-think-it-was-a-normal-tourist-visit-jan-6-2021-quote/942093/39 "2021-05-19T19:30:03Z")
Yes, and remember- **there were no Nazi judges at the Nuremberg trials.** ---
**Author:** ![Sherrerd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sherrerd/32/8_2.png) [@Sherrerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sherrerd)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2021, 12:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-would-actually-think-it-was-a-normal-tourist-visit-jan-6-2021-quote/942093/40 "2021-05-20T00:36:17Z")
> [@Buck\_Godot](#): > > The problem is that to do this you really need to have complete control of the population by a group that supports such efforts to start such a process. Given that we can barely get confederate soldier statues down, I don’t see deTrumpification happening in the foreseeable future Very true. But this part of the historical record provides an answer of sorts to those who argue that if we ‘just talked to them’ or ‘just stopped using certain words that bother them’ or ‘just treated them nicely,’ the Trumpites/Big-Lie Enthusiasts would come around to a more evidence-based way of thinking. The post-1945 Nazis didn’t come around to the idea that democracy is swell and that killing non-Aryans was wrong. And talking to them nicely wouldn’t have helped make that happen. (I’m not arguing in favor of ‘giving up on people.’ I’m just saying that there is no easy path to reforming the thought processes of some. Decisive, rigorous action of the post-WW2 type–some variety of enforcement of cultural prohibitions against being deplorable–would be needed. And such is unlikely to ever happen.) [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-would-actually-think-it-was-a-normal-tourist-visit-jan-6-2021-quote/942093.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-would-actually-think-it-was-a-normal-tourist-visit-jan-6-2021-quote/942093.md?page=3)