# You! Yes, you, you psychotic hosebeast! You're FIRED!! **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [December 29, 2005, 9:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-yes-you-you-psychotic-hosebeast-youre-fired/337631 "2005-12-29T21:24:08Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 17
**Author:** ![Larry\_Mudd](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/f14d63/32.png) [@Larry\_Mudd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Larry_Mudd)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2006, 5:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-yes-you-you-psychotic-hosebeast-youre-fired/337631/321 "2006-01-05T17:06:08Z")
> [@Evil Captor](#): > > There was some sort of remedy short of firing for people who pose the sort of problem Joan did (i.e., disruptive to other employees, won’t quit such behavior even when given sanctions that clearly would indicate to any reasonable person that she’s headed out the door if she doesn’t change) though I don’t know what that option might be. Carbon freezing, maybe? ---
**Author:** ![Troy\_McClure\_SF](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/troy_mcclure_sf/32/4150_2.png) [@Troy\_McClure\_SF](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Troy_McClure_SF)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2006, 5:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-yes-you-you-psychotic-hosebeast-youre-fired/337631/322 "2006-01-05T17:07:13Z")
**EC** - Yes, firing can be a horrible thing to withstand (or for some lucky ones, the best thing in the world), but, as has been wel-established, there was good cause, and had been for years. Joan had been a cancer on the department(s) for years, and was given several chances to shape up. _That **is** the safety net._ ---
**Author:** ![The\_Weird\_One](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/7bcc69/32.png) [@The\_Weird\_One](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Weird_One)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2006, 5:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-yes-you-you-psychotic-hosebeast-youre-fired/337631/323 "2006-01-05T17:41:50Z")
> [@Seven](#): > > If I had a job for you and you were in my area, I’d hire you. _thinking_ I wonder if _I’m_ in **Seven** ’s area. _checks **Seven** ’s location_ :eek: _screams and runs away_ ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2006, 5:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-yes-you-you-psychotic-hosebeast-youre-fired/337631/324 "2006-01-05T17:42:23Z")
> [@Khadaji](#): > > Then can I assume you fear there is something in your age that I would use as an attack? Interesting. It’s impolite to ask personal questions, but it’s fucking rude to imput some evil reason behind "it’s none of your business’- as it is **NONE OF YOUR FUCKING BUSINESS!** Might I suggest you fuck off? And, although this _is_ the PIT, it’s a thread dedicated to Maureen and her problems with her now-ex-cow-orker. Hijacking it with personal insults just because a poster has the temerity to disagree with you is being rude to the OP. ---
**Author:** ![Khadaji](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/9e8a1a/32.png) [@Khadaji](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Khadaji)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2006, 5:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-yes-you-you-psychotic-hosebeast-youre-fired/337631/325 "2006-01-05T17:47:04Z")
> [@Evil Captor](#): > > A more reasonable assumption would be that it is none of your business. May I ask why you think it is? Also, what is your credit card number, it’s expiration date, and that three-number code on the signature strip? I’m just curious. LOL. No, you may not have my credit card number. Yes, I do fear that the knowledge would be used to hurt me. Is this \*really \*the logical comparison you wish to make? Do you really want to compare the harm that can be done from having my credit card information to having your age information? That is the _Ad hominem_ sieve saying that the collandar leaks. ---
**Author:** ![Khadaji](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/9e8a1a/32.png) [@Khadaji](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Khadaji)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2006, 5:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-yes-you-you-psychotic-hosebeast-youre-fired/337631/326 "2006-01-05T17:53:13Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > It’s impolite to ask personal questions, but it’s fucking rude to imput some evil reason behind "it’s none of your business’- as it is **NONE OF YOUR FUCKING BUSINESS!** Might I suggest you fuck off? > > And, although this _is_ the PIT, it’s a thread dedicated to Maureen and her problems with her now-ex-cow-orker. Hijacking it with personal insults just because a poster has the temerity to disagree with you is being rude to the OP. LOL. You may suggest anything you wish. 😛 Impolite to ask personal questions? Please. It is done all the time on this board. But he didn’t say that it was _none of my business_, he laid claim to _Ad hominem_. Had he simply said he belived it to be none of my business, I would have said “fair enough.” Ad Hominem means: Appealing to personal considerations rather than to logic or reason. This implied I had “evil intent” for asking. I didn’t, I was just curious how old he is. I made no accusation or appeal to personal consideration. Lastly, where have I insulted him? ---
**Author:** ![The\_Weird\_One](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/7bcc69/32.png) [@The\_Weird\_One](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Weird_One)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2006, 5:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-yes-you-you-psychotic-hosebeast-youre-fired/337631/327 "2006-01-05T17:57:02Z")
Honestly, why do any of you care how old **Evil Captor** is? If it turns out that he’s 55, are you suddenly going to respect his opinions? It certainly seems like you just want to hear that he’s 17 so you can dismiss him out of hand. The validity of an argument isn’t based on one’s age or life experience, but on the merits of the position being argued. ---
**Author:** ![Khadaji](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/9e8a1a/32.png) [@Khadaji](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Khadaji)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2006, 6:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-yes-you-you-psychotic-hosebeast-youre-fired/337631/328 "2006-01-05T18:11:46Z")
> [@The Weird One](#): > > Honestly, why do any of you care how old **Evil Captor** is? If it turns out that he’s 55, are you suddenly going to respect his opinions? It certainly seems like you just want to hear that he’s 17 so you can dismiss him out of hand. The validity of an argument isn’t based on one’s age or life experience, but on the merits of the position being argued. Not at all. His opinion has not been dismissed “out of hand” but responded to thoroughly and logically throughout the thread. You say _Honestly_? Then I respond: honestly, I was just curious. I had no nefarious designs. No hidden meaning. No _ad Ad hominem_ attacks. Have you _honestly_ never just been curious about something? ---
**Author:** ![Evil\_Captor](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/f17d59/32.png) [@Evil\_Captor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Evil_Captor)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2006, 6:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-yes-you-you-psychotic-hosebeast-youre-fired/337631/329 "2006-01-05T18:20:47Z")
> [@Lute Skywatcher](#): > > In my defense, **EC** brought it up first. Yes, I know there’s a difference between treating human beings badly in fantasy and in reality but I didn’t see **EC** making that distinction. The way it was worded, it sounded like **EC** was claiming any mistreatment of human beings doesn’t make him feel good inside, which we all know is not true. Care to show me where I said anything about bondage anywhere in this thread, Lute? 'Cause I don’t think that’s the defense that you seem to think it is. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2006, 6:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-yes-you-you-psychotic-hosebeast-youre-fired/337631/330 "2006-01-05T18:24:07Z")
Just a FYI: the Salvation Army is a church, a religious organization. Maureen’s company is not. ---
**Author:** ![Evil\_Captor](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/f17d59/32.png) [@Evil\_Captor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Evil_Captor)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2006, 6:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-yes-you-you-psychotic-hosebeast-youre-fired/337631/331 "2006-01-05T18:24:56Z")
> [@E-Sabbath](#): > > I think it is relevant to this discussion the general position of EC’s life experience. Are you under 18, over 26, or over 50? > > I am over 26, myself. I have suffered unjustified firings, I have left of my own will, I have had contracts terminated, and I have had companies fold under me. I have seen office politics, and been both a victor and a loser. What part of the phrase “argumentum ad hominem” don’t you understand? ---
**Author:** ![E-Sabbath](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/e19adc/32.png) [@E-Sabbath](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/E-Sabbath)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2006, 6:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-yes-you-you-psychotic-hosebeast-youre-fired/337631/332 "2006-01-05T18:31:30Z")
What part of “I want to understand your personal perspective on this issue” do you not understand, EC? ---
**Author:** ![Quartz](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quartz/32/267_2.png) [@Quartz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quartz)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2006, 6:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-yes-you-you-psychotic-hosebeast-youre-fired/337631/333 "2006-01-05T18:31:26Z")
**Evil Captor** , you’re being an ass. Yes, Joan may suffer hardship, but it’s her own fault and it’s not the company’s concern. A company is not a charity. Further, **if she learns from the experience** , being fired will be to her **long term** benefit. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2006, 6:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-yes-you-you-psychotic-hosebeast-youre-fired/337631/334 "2006-01-05T18:43:18Z")
> [@E-Sabbath](#): > > What part of “I want to understand your personal perspective on this issue” do you not understand, EC? What part of "it’s none of your business’ don’t you understand? And- dudes- please stop hijacking Maureens thread for some personal crusade against EC, OK? ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2006, 6:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-yes-you-you-psychotic-hosebeast-youre-fired/337631/335 "2006-01-05T18:44:59Z")
> [@Evil Captor](#): > > Care to show me where I said anything about bondage anywhere in this thread, Lute? True, you didn’t say anything about bondage itself but > [@](#): > > While it is not Maureen’s responsibility to keep Joan employed, and her behavior was bad enough to make me think she may have some serious personality disorders to deal with, I can’t get excited or happy about it, because with all her flaws, Joan is a human being, and treating human beings badly doesn’t make me feel all good inside. has, at best, the appearace of hypocrisy; at worst, you’ve been lying about liking bondage for whatever reason. ---
**Author:** ![swampbear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/swampbear/32/467_2.png) [@swampbear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/swampbear)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2006, 6:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-yes-you-you-psychotic-hosebeast-youre-fired/337631/336 "2006-01-05T18:47:43Z")
> [@The King of Soup](#): > > Off topic, isn’t it about time for another **swampbear** birthday, or did I miss it, or do geezers do _everything_ more slowly, including aging? You’re either a little over five months too late or a little over six months too early, depending on how ya look at it. My bday is July 29th. Thanks for asking though. And watch the geezer remarks, I’m an AARP member now. Do you _want_ me to send over a brigade of little ol’ ladies with big handbags to put you in line? 😃 I can arrange for old people in laaaaaarge vehicles to always be in front of you doing 15 mph on two lane roads too. We may be old but we’re dangerous. We now return you to your regularly scheduled, umm… whatever this has turned into. ---
**Author:** ![Lady\_of\_the\_Lake](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/e19adc/32.png) [@Lady\_of\_the\_Lake](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lady_of_the_Lake)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2006, 6:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-yes-you-you-psychotic-hosebeast-youre-fired/337631/337 "2006-01-05T18:49:33Z")
> [@Lute Skywatcher](#): > > True, you didn’t say anything about bondage itself but has, at best, the appearace of hypocrisy; at worst, you’ve been lying about liking bondage for whatever reason. Lute, I just don’t see how you’re getting this impression from the post you quoted…you’re really reading things into it here. At worst he could be lying about liking bondage because he can’t ‘get excited’ about someone being fired? If that’s the point you are making? He wasn’t talking about sexually excited or anything…he was basically saying he doesn’t like it. I just don’t understand the point you’re trying to make here. ---
**Author:** ![E-Sabbath](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/e19adc/32.png) [@E-Sabbath](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/E-Sabbath)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2006, 6:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-yes-you-you-psychotic-hosebeast-youre-fired/337631/338 "2006-01-05T18:57:08Z")
DrDeth, this is clearly a matter of some import to EC, as he returns to it. I felt that his life experience might have some perspective on his point of view, and truthfully, from his posts, I can not tell if he is five or fifty, though the mention of the Salvation Army suggests somewhat older, or personal experiences. I find that if someone bears an extremist viewpoint on an issue, sometimes it is handy to know where they’re coming from. That said, hijack ended, but this was no personal crusade on my part, and I am somewhat insulted that you implied so. ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2006, 7:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-yes-you-you-psychotic-hosebeast-youre-fired/337631/339 "2006-01-05T19:16:31Z")
> [@Lady of the Lake](#): > > At worst he could be lying about liking bondage because he can’t ‘get excited’ about someone being fired? He said “human beings being treated badly”, not “being fired”. ---
**Author:** ![Evil\_Captor](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/f17d59/32.png) [@Evil\_Captor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Evil_Captor)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2006, 7:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-yes-you-you-psychotic-hosebeast-youre-fired/337631/340 "2006-01-05T19:20:35Z")
> [@tomndebb](#): > > The SA has a good record of providing low-level manual labor employment for people with problems of alcohol abuse or other disabilities. However, I see nowhere in their “model” into which to place the antisocial shit stirrers who are currently employed as accountants, clerks, programmers, or managers who typically show up in **Pit** threads. Not much of a model, I’m afraid. (Not that I would not experience some _schadenfreude_ at watching any number of jerks with whom I’ve worked relegated to sorting old clothes, but as a means of employing the anti-social, it does not strike me as particularly useful.) Well, the folks who wind up at SA prolly aren’t saints, either. Something LIKE SA but devoted more specifically to the troublesome sorts might work. My fear is that most of them wind up in corporate management, and that’s not good for anybody. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-yes-you-you-psychotic-hosebeast-youre-fired/337631.md?page=16) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/you-yes-you-you-psychotic-hosebeast-youre-fired/337631.md?page=18)